Well Venom Sliver is an upgrade for the most part when you compared it to Toxin Sliver. Especially when Thorncaster Sliver is in play. What are your guys thoughts on Soul of New Phyrexia and Obelisk of Urd? The Soul could be good as another layer of protecting our Slivers and the Obelisk can be cast for cheaps depending on the Sliver count we got. As well as Sou of Theros as essentially global pump on a dude.
Already updated both decklists to make room for it.
Reading the thread in Rumor Mill people don't seem to understand why they only made this a 5/5. If it was a 7/7 for 5, control decks would wreck with it in Modern. A 5/5 that can be destroyed for 5 mana is already ahead of the curve. lol
5 color control is a thing in Modern? Well not that it concerns me I am just curious. I can understand the nerf for it being a 5/5 rather than a 7/7 since it is Indestructible. But aside from that... OH MAN DO I LOVE THIS GUY! Definitely will blow mad money to get him foiled.7
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Unless I'm missing something, both of these requires you to be behind on mana.
To grab 1 land, you have to be behind 2 land to another player.
I don't see how this is good.
Is there an interaction I'm missing?
Re-reading that card again I think you are right. So say you are insanely behind you would get a max of 3 lands [in a typical 4-man EDH game]. It also exiles itself so no re-using shenanigans.
Curse of Predation however seems like it would be decent. Probably stronger as a 1v1 card now that our little Sliver babies will start getting bigger the more they wail on someone. Does put a death sentence on said cursed player though haha.
Oh well... with M14 entirely spoiled, it seems we're not getting any more slivers this time around. Shame. I was expecting a new ruler to join the Unholy Trinity... or a sliver with hexproof... :'(
Amen my Sliver brotha.' Unless we get something in Theros, we got some cute additions. Definitely going to test Thorncaster Sliver. Was hoping for a straight deathtouch sliver as Toxin Sliver isn't truly deathtouch.
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Thorncaster Sliver and Vault of the Archangel is going to be INSANELY good. Another form of evasion as you can use the 1 damage of deathouch to kill almost anything.
Slate of Ancestry may not be too bad a card to have in this type of deck if you are just dropping guys like crazy.
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Illusionist's Bracers seems like it would be insane for Overlord or the Queen. It kinda contradicts with our shroud sliver but if it connects... oh boy. Especially if Training Grounds is active. Although it might be win-moar...
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Implemented the changes I was toying with, but left Seedborn Muse out and let in Amoeboid Changeling instead. The Muse is too awesome to risk a Bribery or similar stuff, and shipping the Changeling and/or Unnatural Selection does not make up for it.
Sorry to hear about Seedborn Muse but I think aside from it being a big bribery target, she is very good compared to the Vigilance Sliver in that in conjunction with Quick Sliver you can flash a bunch of crap at end of turn. I have been experimenting with Dauntless Escort as a blanket against Wrath effects and with conjunction with Sun Titan I can swing almost mercilessly into the battlefield without too much trouble. Another cool thing is that it is another Green Sun's Zenith target. I'm definetly taking out all is dust+ghostflame sliver for Cyclonic Rift as it is essentially the only wrath spell I would want since there are some colorless Generals in my meta like Karn or put a bunch of colorless artifact crap like Sharuum.
What are your opinions on Eldrazi Monument? is it more of a Sliver Queen rather than Overlord type of thing? I put it in but so far I haven't gotten it out yet but I'm not sure if it is... "win more" as opposed to Akorma's Memorial which is a huge kick in the teeth.
I almost want to put in Mark of Asylum to make Psionic Sliver do work because I don't know how else to prevent that hefty self-inflicted 3 damage efficiently.
I really like your "instant/sorcery"-less deck Crux. I don't know if I'm brave enough to try that. I like have instant options like Beast Within and Counterspells at the ready if I need to deal with Wrath or something my slivers cant get rid of. Perhaps I might replace Dauntless Escort with Rootbound Defenses as more of a surprise answer since Dauntless kinda has to be set up a little bit.
I know I ranted against Chromatic Lantern on my non-sliver card guide, but I'm giving it a shot along with Cyclonic Rift and bringing back two oldies, Seedborn Muse and Unnatural Selection. If the changes survive another round of Cockatrice testing I'm adding them to the main guide.
I don't think you will be disappointed. Basically have guaranteed rainbow mana is just awesome on turn 3 [or earlier depending on your ramp package]. You can do some interesting politcal things with Unnatural Selection by giving an opponent's creature a Sliver type. I am lucky enough that my friend used to have an old school Legacy Sliver deck so he had a lot of 4ofs extra Slivers to that we can team up! Unfortantely for him he doesn't have a solid mana-base. I got some decent stuff [all M13 Ally Lands, Innistrad Enemy Lands, First wave of RtR Shocks, Scar Fastlands, Couple of Filter Lands, couple of rainbow mana] but not exactly top tier stuff like the rest of the shocks [waiting for gatecrash!] and original duals. But with Chromatic Lantern and Prismatic Omen I can hit rainbow mana very easily.
Also what are your thoughts on Sun Titan, Angelic Renewal and Conspiracy naming sliver? It seems to me it can get really stupid really fast depending on which sac'ing sliver you got. It also makes your other non-sliver creatures tutor'able by the Overlord.
Another thing to mention is Green's Sun Zenith. It can search for all 3 Legendary creatures as well as any green hybird sliver or non-sliver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
5 color control is a thing in Modern? Well not that it concerns me I am just curious. I can understand the nerf for it being a 5/5 rather than a 7/7 since it is Indestructible. But aside from that... OH MAN DO I LOVE THIS GUY! Definitely will blow mad money to get him foiled.7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
Re-reading that card again I think you are right. So say you are insanely behind you would get a max of 3 lands [in a typical 4-man EDH game]. It also exiles itself so no re-using shenanigans.
Curse of Predation however seems like it would be decent. Probably stronger as a 1v1 card now that our little Sliver babies will start getting bigger the more they wail on someone. Does put a death sentence on said cursed player though haha.
Purphoros, God of the Forge is pretty much the bee's knees if we have the Queen out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
I think Firewake Sliver and Heart Sliver are enough Haste enbalers when it counts to being on Slivers. After that I would search for things that provide haste + a bonus. like Urabrask, the Hidden (Flavorful Sliver Look-alike) or In the Web of War.
Also Thousand-Year Old Elixir is useful as well if you need to tap your Slivers for combos like Telekinetic Sliver and Gemhide sliver. Kinda gets negated by Crystalline Sliver but still a good addition to any Sliver Combo deck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
Amen my Sliver brotha.' Unless we get something in Theros, we got some cute additions. Definitely going to test Thorncaster Sliver. Was hoping for a straight deathtouch sliver as Toxin Sliver isn't truly deathtouch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
Slate of Ancestry may not be too bad a card to have in this type of deck if you are just dropping guys like crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
Sorry to hear about Seedborn Muse but I think aside from it being a big bribery target, she is very good compared to the Vigilance Sliver in that in conjunction with Quick Sliver you can flash a bunch of crap at end of turn. I have been experimenting with Dauntless Escort as a blanket against Wrath effects and with conjunction with Sun Titan I can swing almost mercilessly into the battlefield without too much trouble. Another cool thing is that it is another Green Sun's Zenith target. I'm definetly taking out all is dust+ghostflame sliver for Cyclonic Rift as it is essentially the only wrath spell I would want since there are some colorless Generals in my meta like Karn or put a bunch of colorless artifact crap like Sharuum.
What are your opinions on Eldrazi Monument? is it more of a Sliver Queen rather than Overlord type of thing? I put it in but so far I haven't gotten it out yet but I'm not sure if it is... "win more" as opposed to Akorma's Memorial which is a huge kick in the teeth.
I almost want to put in Mark of Asylum to make Psionic Sliver do work because I don't know how else to prevent that hefty self-inflicted 3 damage efficiently.
I really like your "instant/sorcery"-less deck Crux. I don't know if I'm brave enough to try that. I like have instant options like Beast Within and Counterspells at the ready if I need to deal with Wrath or something my slivers cant get rid of. Perhaps I might replace Dauntless Escort with Rootbound Defenses as more of a surprise answer since Dauntless kinda has to be set up a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
I don't think you will be disappointed. Basically have guaranteed rainbow mana is just awesome on turn 3 [or earlier depending on your ramp package]. You can do some interesting politcal things with Unnatural Selection by giving an opponent's creature a Sliver type. I am lucky enough that my friend used to have an old school Legacy Sliver deck so he had a lot of 4ofs extra Slivers to that we can team up! Unfortantely for him he doesn't have a solid mana-base. I got some decent stuff [all M13 Ally Lands, Innistrad Enemy Lands, First wave of RtR Shocks, Scar Fastlands, Couple of Filter Lands, couple of rainbow mana] but not exactly top tier stuff like the rest of the shocks [waiting for gatecrash!] and original duals. But with Chromatic Lantern and Prismatic Omen I can hit rainbow mana very easily.
But I use Enlightened Tutor which is probably going to get replaced by Demonic Tutor to search for my mana-fixers.
Also what are your thoughts on Sun Titan, Angelic Renewal and Conspiracy naming sliver? It seems to me it can get really stupid really fast depending on which sac'ing sliver you got. It also makes your other non-sliver creatures tutor'able by the Overlord.
Another thing to mention is Green's Sun Zenith. It can search for all 3 Legendary creatures as well as any green hybird sliver or non-sliver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis