I appreciate the sentiment and approach. But after the changes, slips in balancing, and so on, I simply have lost faith that they will be redeemed. The Death Corona thing was already cringeworthy. Now they are erasing without compassion for long time players. Wait a year and see what a complete set with those now "missing" cards will be worth.
To me this is a new Reserved List without unilateral action. I agree on the premise that some subjects are touchy. But it is not up to WotC to mind wipe 25 years of cards as they see fit. They took a knee is a mostly harmless way, but as they have said "ignoring the secondary market". Those cards are now harder to get. And we have seen when they make statements like that the market over speculates and never retreats.
TCGPlayer and SCG, and Card Kingdom have either Out of Stock or removed the cards in question. What we are seeing signals a far worse implimented plan. I know I sound like a lunatic. And will not be offended being called one. But as the saying goes:
"Stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"
Does anyone here have a desire to outright buy a foil cube plus like 200+ extra foil commons that are applicable?
I am leaving MtG and all WotC products permanently, and deleting my account here as I cannot comply with those who would disrespect their customers as they have. PM me if you want to Tender a serious offer for an all foil cube including landeskog and a few proxy foils for non-foilable cards.
It has been fun, and I will miss the interactions.
@Reinventing:
I do not deny the math. In fact I happily run multiple common fetches. But in standard limited, Looking at the ability to turn a 40 card deck into essentially a slow 39 is not the only thing that is needed to make it better. Yes, if supplemented with draw, and other search it can matter more. But a single fetch does not carry over a back braking advantage. It is almost like a nice addition because it is a 5c land, but as mentioned it is a tapped one.
The math is their. Just not as high of a priority as "first pickz"; imo
I REALLY like Fire prophecy. Non-player burn basically cannot make Staple unless it is ridiculous. See Flame Slash. And that is not even ubiquitous. I am glad there is better card filter options in Red. But it is not going to be as big a threat as say Magma Jet.
@Deck Thinning (E. Wilds)
It is advantage, but it takes so long to prove it that it is more of an overhyped math claim than a result.
@Mutate:
I am still trying Tom wrap my head around a proper evaluation. I think once prerelease... oh, wait... once we hear more reports trickle in, we will all be reevaluating what these do. I found spots for all 5 as they are somewhere between Ninja and Sorcery Buffs.
*Reprints are reprints. Seldom does one gain or lose value unless something major happens
If you want to be bold and use the Bad/Borderline/Cubeable system, it helps us revisit our own views and discuss. I too give high praise for Borderline cards, but still need to admit they are not necessary adds.
You have some cool conclusions. On a typical Cube 360 way of looking at things, "real" Control is very hard to accomplish as most do not run enough piece to make such a deck exist. Peregrine Drake is more or less just a 2/3 Flier for free. Some ran Spire Golem for similar effect, but is much harder to get it for free.
I am 273% pro-Ninjas and Al and Imhave discussed at length about Ninjas vs Blink for an Archetype. Peregrine is one of the many optio s for 5cmc Blue finishers, and in the end it comes down to preference and body count, becausetoomany will really hurt Blue's viability as a U/x style deck and sill get it cut to X/u
@Al-
Start the MCD thread, we are all usually starved for things to disagree about ;-p
Another question to ask is: In 360, how many draw/filter spells is the threshold for a Blue section?
I run prob 5 hard CA draw spells, and prob another 4 or so Filter to roj d out my support for basic archetypes.
I see their biggest problem is they need to be relevant. This means adding 10+/- cards every set. Constantly including, and removing, archetypes for each other.Literally change for the sake of change. Contravery arising because they MUST keep swingy rotation of cards. I get it, appreciate it, but also am amazed that people simply want to be involved for the sake of being involved. That Scour the Possibilities discussion is basically a snapshot ofm"their" cube
**I personally like 3C as an old Ravnica drafter, it feels like comfort food.
I know most here are not fans of The Pauper Cube Blog. I keep an eye for any leftfielf ideas. They just did their TBH Q&A and I noticed something I forgot about...
BIASES
We all have them. But for Pauper as a community, it is an interesting take as to what we do and do not allow. They are adamantly against 5C "Silliness", yet FOR B/R Sac with some seriously ho-hum cards. Good to see they at least are seeing Scour the Possibilities are crap now. Only took 4 months.
Anyways, what is the major issue against 5C provided you do not have 10 Signets atop 10 land fetch spells? Running 2-5 mana fixers/ramp that get any color is not going to warp a cube too far, is it?
Also, TBH is about par for the course really. Without a Gold update, or nonbasics that alter anything, this is the usual 2-8 card trial update; imo. Anyone feel different?
For those curious about 2 veteran cuber's opinions on The Evaluate Everything Project and also more rambling, my signature links may hokd a secret of an audio compilation.spanning almost 2 hrs
I will give you credit. Those are some bold statements.
Delve is fine. It is much more problematic in constructed than Limited. Having a flex costed spell that eats your yard limits how many you can play while directly contradicting Threshold, Flashback, etc.
If you have a large emphasis on replaying creatures, they still feel underwhelming. If you do not, I consider them all but desperate/unplayable.
On paper a reusable 3/2 seems good. But do you play Greater Mossdog? That card is better.
As for the blue 5/5, seems good. BUT losing your draw of new card and they chump with a 1/1, they are winning that exchange. Especially since it has no evasion.
To me this is a new Reserved List without unilateral action. I agree on the premise that some subjects are touchy. But it is not up to WotC to mind wipe 25 years of cards as they see fit. They took a knee is a mostly harmless way, but as they have said "ignoring the secondary market". Those cards are now harder to get. And we have seen when they make statements like that the market over speculates and never retreats.
TCGPlayer and SCG, and Card Kingdom have either Out of Stock or removed the cards in question. What we are seeing signals a far worse implimented plan. I know I sound like a lunatic. And will not be offended being called one. But as the saying goes:
"Stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"
Loose Change Pauper Cube-cast
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I am leaving MtG and all WotC products permanently, and deleting my account here as I cannot comply with those who would disrespect their customers as they have. PM me if you want to Tender a serious offer for an all foil cube including landeskog and a few proxy foils for non-foilable cards.
It has been fun, and I will miss the interactions.
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I do not deny the math. In fact I happily run multiple common fetches. But in standard limited, Looking at the ability to turn a 40 card deck into essentially a slow 39 is not the only thing that is needed to make it better. Yes, if supplemented with draw, and other search it can matter more. But a single fetch does not carry over a back braking advantage. It is almost like a nice addition because it is a 5c land, but as mentioned it is a tapped one.
The math is their. Just not as high of a priority as "first pickz"; imo
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I REALLY like Fire prophecy. Non-player burn basically cannot make Staple unless it is ridiculous. See Flame Slash. And that is not even ubiquitous. I am glad there is better card filter options in Red. But it is not going to be as big a threat as say Magma Jet.
@Deck Thinning (E. Wilds)
It is advantage, but it takes so long to prove it that it is more of an overhyped math claim than a result.
@Mutate:
I am still trying Tom wrap my head around a proper evaluation. I think once prerelease... oh, wait... once we hear more reports trickle in, we will all be reevaluating what these do. I found spots for all 5 as they are somewhere between Ninja and Sorcery Buffs.
*Reprints are reprints. Seldom does one gain or lose value unless something major happens
If you want to be bold and use the Bad/Borderline/Cubeable system, it helps us revisit our own views and discuss. I too give high praise for Borderline cards, but still need to admit they are not necessary adds.
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I am 273% pro-Ninjas and Al and Imhave discussed at length about Ninjas vs Blink for an Archetype. Peregrine is one of the many optio s for 5cmc Blue finishers, and in the end it comes down to preference and body count, becausetoomany will really hurt Blue's viability as a U/x style deck and sill get it cut to X/u
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Start the MCD thread, we are all usually starved for things to disagree about ;-p
Another question to ask is: In 360, how many draw/filter spells is the threshold for a Blue section?
I run prob 5 hard CA draw spells, and prob another 4 or so Filter to roj d out my support for basic archetypes.
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**I personally like 3C as an old Ravnica drafter, it feels like comfort food.
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BIASES
We all have them. But for Pauper as a community, it is an interesting take as to what we do and do not allow. They are adamantly against 5C "Silliness", yet FOR B/R Sac with some seriously ho-hum cards. Good to see they at least are seeing Scour the Possibilities are crap now. Only took 4 months.
Anyways, what is the major issue against 5C provided you do not have 10 Signets atop 10 land fetch spells? Running 2-5 mana fixers/ramp that get any color is not going to warp a cube too far, is it?
Also, TBH is about par for the course really. Without a Gold update, or nonbasics that alter anything, this is the usual 2-8 card trial update; imo. Anyone feel different?
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Did anyone else notice Thirst for Meaning is an Instant? Does that mean it replaces Compulsive Research or Rain of Revelation?
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Delve is fine. It is much more problematic in constructed than Limited. Having a flex costed spell that eats your yard limits how many you can play while directly contradicting Threshold, Flashback, etc.
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On paper a reusable 3/2 seems good. But do you play Greater Mossdog? That card is better.
As for the blue 5/5, seems good. BUT losing your draw of new card and they chump with a 1/1, they are winning that exchange. Especially since it has no evasion.
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