Well Serenity is a nice way to deal with all types of threads like Chalice and leylines. I'll consider that as one of the best options. So maybe I will go for the white splash so I can get Silence as well to protect my combo turn. Isn't there a problem with Hexmage interacting with chalice of the void? Or am I not getting the rules right ? doesn't it only matter how many counters are on chalice when it is cast?
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Hello guys, I found another big problem piloting DD! Chalice of the Void on 1. there is no wayto get around it or remove it because our only bounce spell is Chain of Vapor for U all cantrips DuressCabal Therapy they all are on the 1cmc and I just don't want to autoscoop to a f****** chalice. So here are my options and I wanted to know what you think of them:
1. Echoing truth - only 2 cmc; fitting our colors; only 1U; Bounces all Chalices; may be used to eliminate Tokens (Bridge from Below, Empty the warrens)
2. Shattering spree- only 1 cmc; could be provided with Gemstone mine and Lotus Petal; needs to be replicated adds to storm count+2 hates all artifacts out
3. Hurkyl's recall - only 2 cmc; fitting color; only 1U; bounces all Chalice and all artifacts; can be used to add to stormcount with Lotus Petal; hates all artifacts out "kills" affinity or gets us time against them
I would appreciate if anyone has some more Ideas to react on a chalice on 1 and not just autoscoop =)
Edit: And I also need some good advice when do I keep hands and when do I need to take mulligans? At least you need in hand either DD and some protection like Duress or Therapy? Or do i need some cantrips to find DD? all other hands I can just ignore or am I totally wrong?
I think you mean Cloud of Faeries instead of Faerie Conclave (edit Spelling) then it makes sense to me, because if you drop Faery Conclave, which is a land you can't drop Shelldock Isle... may thatbe the issue? =)
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Yeah I know it's the budget section, but why not use cards I already have? =) Looking at your pile tells me I have to work hard on the basic piles and need a lot of practise to build extraordinary piles adapting to the situation I am in... So the main thing with SI is, you didn't put a land into play post DD, and the thing is, I dont get why Faerie Conclave is in it... aren't there much better cards to include in this pile à la protection in form of Therapy or Duress instead of FC?
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I don't get how another DD will provide extra turns with emmy, if I already played DD and SI into Emmy... normally we always go with the Tendril's kill, what is the situation when you change your strategy? I mean mostly you will face a Leyline of Sanctity in G2 we only got Chain of vapor to remove them, so we need to include it into our DD pile if we don't have it in hand already right? or is Echoing truth the better way to go?
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Ok I get that, it's really interesting to see all those options. Is it also viable to take a route with Shelldock isle emrakul and Labman also in the pile so he has to deal with both?
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Yeah LDV is the best thing we can use here to get DD, but PtD could be included instead of maybe Preordain or Ponder, or is it sometimes needed to get to your land so Ponder and Preordain are favorable?
Also would you prefere Shelldock Isle+ Emrakul or Laboratory Maniac as the sideboard option? Or does that depend on what your enemy plays? Do I always board out the Tendrils plan because it is likely to face Leyline of Sanctity?
I know FoW isn't budget, it was just a question if it would do the same job for protection as Cabal Therapy...
What is our thing against Flusterstorm? i mean it means were just dead? also Dures and therapy? Or might Stifle or even Trickbind be an option?
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Isn't it more reliable if we pack disruption instead of the glass cannon with saclands? is it acceptable if I pack FoW in this U/B shell instead of cabal therapy for combo security or even pact of negation? because stifle on storm trigger from Tendril's will be GG for the opponent. (I know it is a budget Thread, but simply enough, I have 4 FoW and no therapies)
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I think it is still possible to get the threshold before casting dd it's hard but not that impossible. I think playing DD before T4 will be too risky, except you have the perfect hand, but that is relatively improbable.
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Well yes lim duls vault does it better than PtD but doesn't it help to find DD better than preordain does?during the combo, PtD isn't needed anyways so generating U for meditate for example is still going to work
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Well the thing is I'd try to stick with the list posted on the top of page 6 and staying U/B. So the thing is that having 1 U is very likely to be online turn 2. I wonder if Peer through Depths is a better inclusion than Preordain? Another Question is, if we face hatebears like thalia or Gaddock teeg, shouldn't be Snap a good answer? Also isn't this new Born of the Gods Hatebear a huge problem for this deck? ( http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/spiritofthelabyrinth.html )
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Ok fair enough So protection is the way total deal with counters. And the Basic piles seem total be easy to me so maybe you fast duress Mana Mana DD probe Intoleranz tue Pile for tue ein. What about peer through depths?
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Hello I'm a combo fan and I want to build a new deck since I have played High tide and BooBerry along with Affinity and White stacks for some time and I need something new in legacy.
So I read this thread now and I am convinced this is a nice deck to play because I like doomsday and combo in general, it is budget and I have most of the cards needed for the deck already.
But I have some questions:
I'm always a bit curious about building the Pile and how I am supposed to put a storm count to 20 with it. Iguess I am doing it with also playing spells before playing doomsday right? And it would be nice if someone could explain some piles and plays around some counters.
The Sideboard pile with Laboratory maniac:
Would it be bad to include Brainstorm in it, to just answer a removal in response to a draw of the last card with a brainstorm and still win?
Or would Peer Through Depths be a good inclusion or is it too expensive? I mean It digs 5 Deep, finds Everithing in the deck except lands and in some rare cases can rearange the Doomsday pile...
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1. Echoing truth - only 2 cmc; fitting our colors; only 1U; Bounces all Chalices; may be used to eliminate Tokens (Bridge from Below, Empty the warrens)
2. Shattering spree- only 1 cmc; could be provided with Gemstone mine and Lotus Petal; needs to be replicated adds to storm count+2 hates all artifacts out
3. Hurkyl's recall - only 2 cmc; fitting color; only 1U; bounces all Chalice and all artifacts; can be used to add to stormcount with Lotus Petal; hates all artifacts out "kills" affinity or gets us time against them
I would appreciate if anyone has some more Ideas to react on a chalice on 1 and not just autoscoop =)
Edit: And I also need some good advice when do I keep hands and when do I need to take mulligans? At least you need in hand either DD and some protection like Duress or Therapy? Or do i need some cantrips to find DD? all other hands I can just ignore or am I totally wrong?
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Also would you prefere Shelldock Isle+ Emrakul or Laboratory Maniac as the sideboard option? Or does that depend on what your enemy plays? Do I always board out the Tendrils plan because it is likely to face Leyline of Sanctity?
I know FoW isn't budget, it was just a question if it would do the same job for protection as Cabal Therapy...
What is our thing against Flusterstorm? i mean it means were just dead? also Dures and therapy? Or might Stifle or even Trickbind be an option?
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I'll get the deck as soon as possible and start playing and practising.
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So I read this thread now and I am convinced this is a nice deck to play because I like doomsday and combo in general, it is budget and I have most of the cards needed for the deck already.
But I have some questions:
I'm always a bit curious about building the Pile and how I am supposed to put a storm count to 20 with it. Iguess I am doing it with also playing spells before playing doomsday right? And it would be nice if someone could explain some piles and plays around some counters.
The Sideboard pile with Laboratory maniac:
Would it be bad to include Brainstorm in it, to just answer a removal in response to a draw of the last card with a brainstorm and still win?
Or would Peer Through Depths be a good inclusion or is it too expensive? I mean It digs 5 Deep, finds Everithing in the deck except lands and in some rare cases can rearange the Doomsday pile...
"Well, then we will at least fight in the shadow"
"There is no glory to be gained in the kingdom of the dead!"
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