Don't see a world were a scum GJ doesnt NK zds so that killed any contemplation of Rod/GJ
i thought a rod/gj team killing zds just ends up with rod/gj wagons. That team would have the most to gain from a wifomy chaos kill
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
Yea but the hard push on GJ was mainly stemming from ZDS. Without his driving it I don’t see jack picking Up the wagon and bringing it home. Rods certainly not gonna be able to and neither you nor I were
Spotting GJ as scum. Killing zds cuts the momentum really that would get a wagon on GJ firedup.
so it was all kill stuff?
Did you think anyone but scumzds would kill <not zds>?
Do you think the blame for hammering flarg should be all rodemy and none for you putting him in hammer range?
He focused a lot on you and him following each other. Kj vote on 689 (let it be known he called you daddy Tom (“had to wait for daddy Tom, why?”)
1255: you switching your read on kj so much
And 1484
there are more if you want me to continue
thats a post where he followed me and a post where i voted johnny?
1255 is my d1 legacy post and what switching are you even talking about?
Still no examples of me following him only the other way. Even voting rhand with eod2 wad my read and push not johnnys.
So yeah i think youd better continue.
And again, looking for why. Thats just things he said not why they convinced you
You should see all the stuff zds said in chat. It was a lot of things that pushed me towards you two. I swear that was his entire case and he went post by post for you both.
gimme some highlights
What were the points that fueled you?
I mean... sure once the votes made you confirmed scum from my fake pov lol.
And I still didnt vote you...
Explain what felt right about me + johnny. We both felt that was completely ridiculous and neither you or zds could give any reason but "you agreed sometimes"
I get that kcc town = people being either wrong or scum. You did not consider the possibility of wrong at all.
Thats kind of my point. Yes it possibly helped to keep you alive. It also let you push things without thinking about them. You even pushed vaimes and ywf (now confirmed to you as the two scum that did push you) LESS than me and johnny by a pretty significant margin. Which is extra weird since that was the softest and hardest push on you, respectively.
So how did you make that choice?
Don't see a world were a scum GJ doesnt NK zds so that killed any contemplation of Rod/GJ
i thought a rod/gj team killing zds just ends up with rod/gj wagons. That team would have the most to gain from a wifomy chaos kill
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
@rod
Try to explain to me why you consistently insisted the entire scumteam would push you.
I went through a bunch of your games and thats never happened before. Scum dont seem to push you very often unless youre scum too.
You even said i always try to mislynch you when im a wolf which has literally never happened.
Convince me this wasnt a fake/strategic victim complex
Unfortunately it made me look away from ZDS is what his flip did. It seemed like an awful lot of work being put in JUST to bus a teammate. I maintained my Rod focus and eventually Kpaca suspicious cause I didn't see Vaimes flips clearing them. If anything it made me see the back and forth between Vaimes and Kpaca over the flarg replacement seem even more fake.
i dont seem to be mentioned in this. Go ahead and include me as well
Where were you at day 6 before seeing the votes on zds?
How were you eliminating rod/gj (the non-zds team from our pov) to make that vote?
I know you said not really present etc but presumably you thought a little
nope. I am 100% scum in your eyes after Tom doesn’t hammer. There should be no discussion until a vote happens. You vote scum, and if you know 100% that someone is scum, you Vote then. You don’t wait. You don’t dilly dally. You vote
So that means you are scum. That and I kNow for a fact. Because hey, Tom didn’t hammer
this is almost exactly the same logic that got you attacked for not reading flips
I'm not really sure how to convince you I'm town Tom other than I'm here and I'm willing to talk out your suspicions with you. That's what town does. Help their teamates work through their suspicions and suspects to reach the right lynch. I've been wrong...many times in this game. So have you. You with killjoy and missing day end. Me for not seeing vaimes for what he was and the kpaca vote thinking Rod wasnt going to hammer. Point is part of being town is owning the **** ups and learning from it....not digging in our heels
sorry, is that not what im doing? Asking stuff and talking?
Why this ATE?
Vaimes did t post much of value nor a lot tbh. Idk he slipped under my radar. I did suspect vaimes slightly at points. But not until Zds made a great case on him did I attack.
still waiting for you to make the move to ywf. Again, his mindset clearly wasn’t town after you didn’t hammer.
can you show me what you consider your "attack"?
What about the case spoke to you?
Also interested in some things you each didnt do i guess
@ywf day 2 when zds and i started the vaimes wagon, you ignored it completely to push rod for not reading sloths flip.
Did you have any opinion on vaimes at the time?
@rod i feel like of everyone that pushed you, you pushed back least on vaimes. Why is that?
Did you think anyone but scumzds would kill <not zds>?
Do you think the blame for hammering flarg should be all rodemy and none for you putting him in hammer range?
1255 is my d1 legacy post and what switching are you even talking about?
Still no examples of me following him only the other way. Even voting rhand with eod2 wad my read and push not johnnys.
So yeah i think youd better continue.
And again, looking for why. Thats just things he said not why they convinced you
What were the points that fueled you?
And I still didnt vote you...
Explain what felt right about me + johnny. We both felt that was completely ridiculous and neither you or zds could give any reason but "you agreed sometimes"
I get that kcc town = people being either wrong or scum. You did not consider the possibility of wrong at all.
Thats kind of my point. Yes it possibly helped to keep you alive. It also let you push things without thinking about them. You even pushed vaimes and ywf (now confirmed to you as the two scum that did push you) LESS than me and johnny by a pretty significant margin. Which is extra weird since that was the softest and hardest push on you, respectively.
So how did you make that choice?
Also i did not push you in token. At all.
Hell they were trying to lynch zds together. Its what i was thinking about
Try to explain to me why you consistently insisted the entire scumteam would push you.
I went through a bunch of your games and thats never happened before. Scum dont seem to push you very often unless youre scum too.
You even said i always try to mislynch you when im a wolf which has literally never happened.
Convince me this wasnt a fake/strategic victim complex
Where were you at day 6 before seeing the votes on zds?
How were you eliminating rod/gj (the non-zds team from our pov) to make that vote?
I know you said not really present etc but presumably you thought a little
Ftr
Drop it its not AI in either case
Still waiting on why you voted kpaca
Why this ATE?
What about the case spoke to you?
He flips wolf
Did that change your thinking in any way?
Im not seeing it
Talk more about that mindset.
Did you read zds' and my cases and ignore them completely on the basis of vaimes not smacking you as scummy?
After vaimes flipped what was your first connection?