Agree with all of this. All unbanning Coalition Victory achieves long term is a once-off underwhelming alt win-con, followed by a shower of counterspells flung at said deck until it becomes as unfun for the person running CV as it is for everyone else, ultimately resulting in the deck being taken apart, or a salty playgroup. There's no pros in this scenario, only cons.
Essentially, as a card that adds nothing to the decks that would run it and isn't adding to the social side of EDH, there really is no compelling reason to remove it from the list.
And I agree that people show restraint when deck building. Unfortunately, at this point you are basically arguing that CV will be ok because it people will choose not to run it because of how much it wrecks games. And here's the thing, the cards that operate similar to CV in that they can just win immediately on their own, like T&N and Hulk, actually have applications in those decks. They can be played "fair" simply by not including the combo. Which is why they aren't banned. CV has no use other than being a one card combo in this format. That is a fact. Simply costing 8 mana and 1 card slot is not enough of an opportunity cost for something that takes out the table.
I'd like to point out that the discussion of restraint in deckbuilding does not sway any argument in favour of CV. If I'm building for restraint (and I do - cEDH is a different beast and the idea of a banlist there is a whole different kettle of fish) I'm definitely not including Coalition Victory. It's on the spot victory, and there is no other reason to cast it. If you don't have the conditions met, you're wasting your time and your mana. Comparing to Tooth and Nail and Protean Hulk is a redundant exercise - they are capable of being used with restraint. They're capable of being used degenerately too, but it's all in application. CV has no other mode - it's all in, and once it resolves the game ends.
Agree with all of this. It's the most non-conditional immediate win-con in the game, and very much deserves its place on the banlist. In a pauper Child, Reaper or Tazri list it'd be incredibly easy to fulfill. Green ramp will give you most of what you need prior to T5, so I don't even understand why this is an issue.
Who actually WANTS to use this card anyway? Is it fun? No. Is it a challenge? No. At least Approach of the Second Sun and [c]Barren Glory[c/] require building around or clever plays to fulfill the associated condition. Even then, this isn't an enjoyable way to win, IMO. Regardless, I think any comparison of these cards should be around more cards being added to the banlist, not CV being removed. I don't think any of the others are quite strong enough as an on the spot win-con, but nonetheless CV absolutely should not be playable in EDH.
Essentially, as a card that adds nothing to the decks that would run it and isn't adding to the social side of EDH, there really is no compelling reason to remove it from the list.
I'd like to point out that the discussion of restraint in deckbuilding does not sway any argument in favour of CV. If I'm building for restraint (and I do - cEDH is a different beast and the idea of a banlist there is a whole different kettle of fish) I'm definitely not including Coalition Victory. It's on the spot victory, and there is no other reason to cast it. If you don't have the conditions met, you're wasting your time and your mana. Comparing to Tooth and Nail and Protean Hulk is a redundant exercise - they are capable of being used with restraint. They're capable of being used degenerately too, but it's all in application. CV has no other mode - it's all in, and once it resolves the game ends.
Agree with all of this. It's the most non-conditional immediate win-con in the game, and very much deserves its place on the banlist. In a pauper Child, Reaper or Tazri list it'd be incredibly easy to fulfill. Green ramp will give you most of what you need prior to T5, so I don't even understand why this is an issue.
Who actually WANTS to use this card anyway? Is it fun? No. Is it a challenge? No. At least Approach of the Second Sun and [c]Barren Glory[c/] require building around or clever plays to fulfill the associated condition. Even then, this isn't an enjoyable way to win, IMO. Regardless, I think any comparison of these cards should be around more cards being added to the banlist, not CV being removed. I don't think any of the others are quite strong enough as an on the spot win-con, but nonetheless CV absolutely should not be playable in EDH.