When do you have untapped not-summoning-sick creatures on board at the end of your opponent’s turn with this deck? We don’t play the defensive game. For the most part if our creatures could turn sideways, they do, during our combat.
Tattermunge shouldn't even be on your radar. Why play a 2/1 with at least one drawback (more if your opponent happens to have red-hate) when you could play a 2/1 with marginal-upside-but-at-least-no-real-downside in Kessig Prowler? Though even without fetches, I like Narnam Renegade better. I'd even run Wasteland Viper sooner than Tattermunge.
I don’t think it works in this deck. We don’t run planeswalkers, and the benefit of sticking a point of devotion on top of a minor dig-and-reveal effect isn’t worth the loss of mana and tempo.
I will try a risky full Aggro list. Playset old growth dryad and playset rhonas last stand. Real fat guys in turn 1 and 2. our New baloth too sure. Side with ghalta and a lot of control after overrunning game one like playset ooze and some dungrove Elder and skylasher. What you think?
I replied above on its viability in Modern, which I don't think is there...
But I wonder if the basics of what you're talking about might have potential in Standard. OGD, SLC, Rhonas himself and his Last Stand, Ghalta, they're all in Standard, where the Wraths tend to come later... Blossoming Defense as defense+pump, Nature's Way as removal. Llanowar Elves come back for ramp at the same time Steelie joins us. I don't think it has legs for Modern, but it could make waves in the shallower pool that is Standard.
I don't think the worry is so much speeding up their combos, but speeding up their access to boardwipes. Part of what makes boffo aggro decks like this and Hollow One and 8Whack work is being able to deal 20 damage before they can even get enough lands down to cast a Wrath or Damnation or Verdict... which is a whole lot harder to do if you're bridging their 3rd-to-4th-land gap for them.
I've been trying really hard to make Rhonas's Last Stand work - when HoD came out I circled RLS and Hollow One as the two cards that could really be broken, and ... we're halfway there so far!
I just don't think it works here. I think it needs a Tokens-matter buildaround (Populate effects). I've also considered a deck that tries to rush it turn one (with Chancellor of the Tangle) so that you're really only missing a single land-untap. But that's a different deck entirely. (Boy, do I want other fast green mana in Modern; Lotus Petal or Elvish Spirit Guide could help this sort of thing)
A hilarious out-of-the-sideboard option: Viridian Corruptor? In our deck full of Vines, Rancors, and Aspects, the opponent must play with constant fear that that little infecter could be a one hit killer if it goes unblocked. Better devotion support than Reclamation Sage or Viridian Shaman or Manglehorn, too.
SPS and E1 are really at odds with one another, that's always been the main problem. Either one does good things on its own, but in the same deck... if you play T2 SPS before attacking with your T1-dropped E1, it isn't big enough to evolve it, and if you play it after, you only hit with the pre-evolution-sized E1. A T2 Narnam or Militant can be played before combat on T2 to get the pre-T2-swing evolve on that T1 E1, that SPS can't provide.
SPS would bear some new consideration if one were to commit to leaving E1 out.
Sorry, my mistake. I thought your post was asking for feedback and discussion, not just a pronouncement that your decisions are infalliable and an opportunity for you to sarc down anyone who dares suggest your decisions might not all have been the ideal ones. Thanks for blessing us with the perfect deck, and we might as well lock this thread now that it has been found and criticism of it will only be attacked with sarcasm.
Read your first sentences of each paragraph above ("So 3/3 flying threats that filter are bad? And seriously the rancor a thing that doesn't become a permanent argument?"), and see why it comes off as snarky sarcasm and not a willingness to engage in actual discussion. I provided reasoning why I don't like to use those cards, I didn't sarcastally mock you for your ideas like you did for mine. But you had to drag us into the gutter so here we are.
I like Narnam WITH E1 (in decks that fetch enough to usually revolt) a lot more than Narnam replacing E1. It's a one drop that (revolted) can still evolve a 2/2 E1. It can get a counter that makes it good fuel for Avatar. If I'm set on cutting one drops to 8, Dryad Militants are the ones that exit maindeck (perhaps to sideboard to come in against Snapcaster / Hollow One / whatever other decks count on instants and sorceries getting into the graveyard).
Copter has the same drawback that all the other tried-and-rejected nongreen threats have had: when they're in the same deck as Aspect of Hydra, they're threats that don't contribute devotion in a deck style that is built around that swingy huge devotion finish. In the old thread I argued for the possible place of a deck that chooses not to run Aspect and plays for high efficiency with no concern for devotion. I think there's merit there - but you pretty much have to choose a side: All devotion with aspect or forego devotion for non-aspect. Playing no-devotion permanents that cost mana, and still playing Aspect, is willfully nerfing your own Aspects' punch.
Threats that shake off Rancor every turn are also a little counterproductive.
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I replied above on its viability in Modern, which I don't think is there...
But I wonder if the basics of what you're talking about might have potential in Standard. OGD, SLC, Rhonas himself and his Last Stand, Ghalta, they're all in Standard, where the Wraths tend to come later... Blossoming Defense as defense+pump, Nature's Way as removal. Llanowar Elves come back for ramp at the same time Steelie joins us. I don't think it has legs for Modern, but it could make waves in the shallower pool that is Standard.
I just don't think it works here. I think it needs a Tokens-matter buildaround (Populate effects). I've also considered a deck that tries to rush it turn one (with Chancellor of the Tangle) so that you're really only missing a single land-untap. But that's a different deck entirely. (Boy, do I want other fast green mana in Modern; Lotus Petal or Elvish Spirit Guide could help this sort of thing)
SPS would bear some new consideration if one were to commit to leaving E1 out.
Read your first sentences of each paragraph above ("So 3/3 flying threats that filter are bad? And seriously the rancor a thing that doesn't become a permanent argument?"), and see why it comes off as snarky sarcasm and not a willingness to engage in actual discussion. I provided reasoning why I don't like to use those cards, I didn't sarcastally mock you for your ideas like you did for mine. But you had to drag us into the gutter so here we are.
Copter has the same drawback that all the other tried-and-rejected nongreen threats have had: when they're in the same deck as Aspect of Hydra, they're threats that don't contribute devotion in a deck style that is built around that swingy huge devotion finish. In the old thread I argued for the possible place of a deck that chooses not to run Aspect and plays for high efficiency with no concern for devotion. I think there's merit there - but you pretty much have to choose a side: All devotion with aspect or forego devotion for non-aspect. Playing no-devotion permanents that cost mana, and still playing Aspect, is willfully nerfing your own Aspects' punch.
Threats that shake off Rancor every turn are also a little counterproductive.