Anyone ever thought of running Kira, Great Glass Spinner in the deck? She seems perfect in the shell. We are at heart a tempo deck and anything that we make our opponents waste is good for us. The mana base might need to be adjusted to make her more feasible. Let me know your thoughts!
Woah, I'd never thought of that. It's very powerful in vizier version to protect your combo pieces and it gets hit by COCO. When can also counter spells by flashing it in with chord or CoCo. I'm surely gonna try it out.
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I don't recommend aven. If your gonna play hate I would recommend Thalia guardian of thraeben. Unless titan shift is big in your meta. Also reflector would be great over it.
To be honest Theory, I might test it. I think mage is there to slow down opponents so you can assemble the combo and win but perhaps queller is better utility. Anybody tested this in the counters version?
Btw, nothing beats knight even queller. Without knight, the deck doesn't exist! She was love at first sight for me.
I am still loving Queller in my weird Vizier version that still runs paths main.
It works great! Queller protects the combo and Path is good at removing threats
I recently had good results at an FNM too, although I can't remember the matches too well.
Match 1: Cheeri0s
Game 1: He combo'd off before i could do anything (0-1)
Game 2: I combo'd off (1-1)
Game 3: He tried to combo off but I was able to path his paladin only to have a sram land on the board, whats my topdeck? Path, GG (2-1)
Overall (1-0)
Match 2: Esper Control
Game 1: He disrupted my combo twice and did what esper does.
Game 2: Ditto
Overall (1-1)
Match 3: UW Control
Game 1: I did the knightfall combo for the win on turn 3
Game 2: I got ran other by elspeth tokens
Game 3: I Knightfall'd again
Overall (2-1)
Match 4: N/A
Intentional Draw.
Overall path and Queller were great as were both combos.
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@bento sorry to be nitpicking but, when you did the red splash, you put in foundry over stomping ground. Stomping ground would have shared a color with 8 of your 9 or 10 fetches instead of 4 or 5. It's not much but could make a difference with kessig or staticaster
Also I still fonund that quellers are great in the Vizier version because they counter the hate and disruption
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What about Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit in the Vizier version. It allows Druid to get more mana, makes your creatures more powerful, and could allow us to beef up some birds.
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How many Vizier of Remedies do we really need? She's a terrible card on her own. I dropped to three and got a voice back. I've never looked back, not with chords and companies.
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I went with the Vizier Knightfall last week and that was sad (1-3, mull a lot missing lands, weak beatdown), so today I went with the Knightfall version (3-1 and almost 4-0).
Vs Mardu Control (2-1)
Game 1 went to the combo turn 4 when he tapped all.
Game 2 Push in my Noble then Blood Moon turn 2 and I had no white source.
Game 3 Spell Queller was a MVP, casted all 4 and won in the beatdown.
Vs Grixis DS (1-2)
Game 1 IoK in my Mirran, tons of removals and I draw so many lands.
Game 2 I oppened a god hand, dork, lands, Mirran, Path, but he discarded my Mirran, and did again, I had my Nissa dropping creatures and my Path for his creatures, won in the beatdown.
Game 3 was very grindy, discarded 3 Mirran (...), in the end, he had 1 life and attacked me with DS and no blocks, Company EoT, no creatures (yep...), lost to my bad luck.
Vs Latern Control (2-0)
Game 1 easy combo.
Game 2 he had 3 Bridges and tons of artifacts and that enchant, I had Stony Silence and Nissa dropping creatures (10+, for real), just waited for Birds and Wolf Run. Spell Queller for all removals.
Vs Jund (2-0)
Game 1 beatdown plan, Ooze and Knight won here.
Game 2 Queller again saving me a lot, Mirran showed his power too.
Traditional Knightfall is the best option to this actual meta for me.
Thinking about cut another Reflector Mage in MB, he is powerfull, but sometimes just 2/3 for 3, missed Witness sometimes, mainly against DS.
Side was based in my LGS.
I liked the Nissa, sometimes she drops important creatures, easy to cast and much better then 1/1 tokens.
Tought that DS was a bad MU, but isn't, really happy with this list, just need more luck.
Why don't you play Eternal Witness? You can reap so much value from it.
Option 1: take back a fetch if your in a mana screw
Option 2 (my favorite): get it off of CoCo and get CoCo back, along with getting another creature.
Option 3: Get back disruption like path or reflector mage
All in all e-wit seems necessary
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What do you think of running Disdainful Stroke instead of 1 (or even both) Negate? The CMC requirement covers everything Queller doesn't, and hits all card types. The only things it doesn't stop are counterspells and burn.
I'll try it out for sure, it does hit everything queller doesn't, however, It is really only good against tron and scapeshift. Problem is Unified Will is bettet
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Woah, I'd never thought of that. It's very powerful in vizier version to protect your combo pieces and it gets hit by COCO. When can also counter spells by flashing it in with chord or CoCo. I'm surely gonna try it out.
I am still loving Queller in my weird Vizier version that still runs paths main.
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Devoted Druid
3 Vizier of Remedies
2 Duskwatch Recruiter
3 Spell Queller
3 Reflector Mage
1 Renegade Rallier
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Rhonas, the Indomitable
Instants (9):
4 Collected Company
3 Path to Exile
2 Chord of Calling
2 Retreat to Coralhelm
Lands (21):
4 Windswept Heath
4 Flooded Strand
2 Breeding Pool
2 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Hollowed Fountain
1 Razorverge Thicket
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Kessig Wolf Run
2 Forest
1 Island
1 Plains
2 Voice of Resurgence
1 Eidolon of the Rhetoric
2 Unified Will
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Worship
2 Kataki, War's Mage
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Kitchen Finks
It works great! Queller protects the combo and Path is good at removing threats
I recently had good results at an FNM too, although I can't remember the matches too well.
Match 1: Cheeri0s
Game 1: He combo'd off before i could do anything (0-1)
Game 2: I combo'd off (1-1)
Game 3: He tried to combo off but I was able to path his paladin only to have a sram land on the board, whats my topdeck? Path, GG (2-1)
Overall (1-0)
Match 2: Esper Control
Game 1: He disrupted my combo twice and did what esper does.
Game 2: Ditto
Overall (1-1)
Match 3: UW Control
Game 1: I did the knightfall combo for the win on turn 3
Game 2: I got ran other by elspeth tokens
Game 3: I Knightfall'd again
Overall (2-1)
Match 4: N/A
Intentional Draw.
Overall path and Queller were great as were both combos.
Also I still fonund that quellers are great in the Vizier version because they counter the hate and disruption
How many Vizier of Remedies do we really need? She's a terrible card on her own. I dropped to three and got a voice back. I've never looked back, not with chords and companies.
Why don't you play Eternal Witness? You can reap so much value from it.
Option 1: take back a fetch if your in a mana screw
Option 2 (my favorite): get it off of CoCo and get CoCo back, along with getting another creature.
Option 3: Get back disruption like path or reflector mage
All in all e-wit seems necessary
Card advantage -> Tireless Tracker and Retreat to Coralhelm > Nissa, Steward of Elements
Getting more creatures -> Collected Company > Nissa, Steward of Elements
Mana Outlet -> Rhonas, the Indomitable and Kessig Wolf Run > Nissa, Steward of Elements
All in all, I wind up using her as a meat shield instead of a planeswalker.
-1 Nissa
+1 Voice of Resurgence
I'll try it out for sure, it does hit everything queller doesn't, however, It is really only good against tron and scapeshift. Problem is Unified Will is bettet