OK I'm claiming. I'm Cop with a Town result on Rhand. Since his role is also definitely the truth, then that means he is 100% Town. Rum and Wisp are definitely Town based on their behaviours this game, and Rad if he isn't Town he dies tomorrow. He should always die tomorrow.
But I don't think any of them are scum.
That leaves you, Tom.
i mean last scum has two tokens and no ones claimed bodyguard
But sure.
Why ruma town?
...I'm saying that Rad has sent a message to Wisp which would be verifiable, meaning he can't be Godfather as he would be Oracle. Therefore, Rhand is now always Town to me.
Oh wait that wasn't your question you said Rum not Rhand.
Too many Rs.
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OK I'm claiming. I'm Cop with a Town result on Rhand. Since his role is also definitely the truth, then that means he is 100% Town. Rum and Wisp are definitely Town based on their behaviours this game, and Rad if he isn't Town he dies tomorrow. He should always die tomorrow.
But I don't think any of them are scum.
That leaves you, Tom.
i mean last scum has two tokens and no ones claimed bodyguard
But sure.
Why ruma town?
...I'm saying that Rad has sent a message to Wisp which would be verifiable, meaning he can't be Godfather as he would be Oracle. Therefore, Rhand is now always Town to me.
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OK I'm claiming. I'm Cop with a Town result on Rhand. Since his role is also definitely the truth, then that means he is 100% Town. Rum and Wisp are definitely Town based on their behaviours this game, and Rad if he isn't Town he dies tomorrow. He should always die tomorrow.
But I don't think any of them are scum.
That leaves you, Tom.
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I've just woken up I need a single thing to happen:
If there is a Midnight Desperado I need them to claim right now.
This is to find out if the possibility of there being a Claim Vigilante is higher. There is a 1/8 chance the role isn't even in the game, a 1/2 chance that it is actually a Desperado and a 1/2 chance that if it does exist Killjoy was it but I want to be sure.
Concerning the VC from yesterday: scum could only be bussing. This is because of the three people off wagon:
1. Me.
2. Rum.
3. Killjoy.
One is dead one is me. Rum I think is now cleared due to two things. The first is that they were roleblocked last Night according to them, and secondly their reaction between Tom's hammer and the EoD message is something I don't think scum would ever post.
Means the last scum is in Rad, Wisp, Rhand, Tom.
About to catch up now.
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Killjoy's reasons for me being Town are stagnant and underdeveloped. The questions he asked have not really been used imo, and haven't really dealt with content from this game at all. His handling of me is really bad.
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At this point I have two major points on Killjoy, neither good. In this I'll be covering only one of them: his treatment of me this game.
In the spoiler is everything he has said about me, or to me.
Scarlet: I vaguely recall seeing you around here in games, though I'm sure we've never played together. My question for you is this: As scum, what do you do to appear town?
Wisp, Scarlet. I have questions for you in 89.
Scarlet: Like I said before, I liked RC's isolated posts with relevence to him. However, I'm getting that tingly feeling I got in Zero Escape with DawningBluePhraze. The language feels... natural. Like that's just how she talks in general... not just as scum. Another feeling I'm having here is that, from a gameflow perspective, there's a bit of a dogpile on a bit of meat feeling. Like, she's an easy target and I think scum are all over that. I'm guessing there's a scum on that wagon.
Like... I can see a world where she can be scum. Maybe I'm wrong about my feeling re: her language. I just... don't think I am.
And how do you try to replicate it? Like, I guess what is your 'town game' then?
Also note: I kinda like the wagon on Last? In scum!Last land, I think this is an all town wagon.
Scarlets wagon doesn't feel like a town made wagon. It feels scum driven... scum on a townie. So does mine. The two commonalities between the two are you and RC.
It's not simply "because you're voting me."
Thank you. This is what I was looking for.
What do you think of the two prevelent wagons?
What town circle? It has like... One and a half people in it. Scarlet and kinda RC.
ScarletCelestial really feels scum driven to me. Scarlet is an easy target and isn't really reacting the way I feel scum should react to the pressure.
In the above I want to call attention to two things: the two times he specified why he Townread me, and the questions he asked. These are both issues in my opinion.
The questions he has asked has two major problems in my opinion. Firstly, they are very generalised. Unlike his questions to Wisp, he hasn't tried to look into my content, only my meta and only a few thoughts besides. Secondly, based on what he has said about me I don't think his thoughts are developed concerning myself, and what I have said has not been used to generate a read on me. (Which is better explained in the next paragraph.) In this way, I think he is only asking questions for the sake of asking questions.
The two times he Townread me (bolded) don't really have any changes at all concerning why he does it. The three reasons given are the following:
1. I am a scum driven wagon.
2. I sound natural.
3. I am an easy target.
If you read the bolded posts, it becomes much more evident that in the second one he only reiterated what he said before just more concisely. There is no change in why he thinks I'm Town, no changes in his thoughts. Lies are much less likely to change than natural thought and this is something that hasn't changed at all.
Finally, each of the numbered reasons. The only one I don't take issue with is #2 at this point.
#1 is a contingent thing. In the posts, I have coloured the relevant sentence red. There, he is saying that both our wagons seem scum driven, and is using it as a way to push Rad and Wisp. This makes me think that this point is more about his issues with Wisp than how he reads me independently.
#3 is not even really a reason why he should be calling me Town. It's like if I said "Wisp is an easy target so he must be Town" which would be very faulty logic to say that he is Town.
So, those are my issues.
*Votes in spirit I don't want to hammer*
(Also this is like the first time this game I have been majorly pinged without some sort of redeeming feature this game.)
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Looks like you ruined what I was trying to do so might as well say it:
As you said before, it encourages scum to vote away from scum, and since it's Day 1 bussing is less likely to occur. By seeing how votes are moved then it would be much easier for me to decide which wagon to avoid altogether. Also, by putting two possible scum against each other it directs the conversation onto the topic of their alignment, and could potentially make them converse more which is kinda needed in this game state since there is so little for me to go off of on over half the players.
Finally, if one wagon gets higher and stays stagnant for a long while it would mean that it would have a 90% chance of being Town, as it would mean scum would not care enough about it to argue away from it.
This is why I like putting two wagons against each other when tied, but you moving your vote means that it would not have any additional benefit, and may even be counter productive for a number of reasons. Firstly, your unwillingness to let my plan occur for a while means that it put Wisp up to three votes: it means the conversation ends up back on Wisp (which we have already discussed), the conversation leads to yourself and yet again we do not get the conversation focused solely on those outside of us three. Furthermore, since I think Wisp is Town that would mean it could even lead to less engagement as scum would be happy with the vote. Ergo:
Unvote
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Oh wait that wasn't your question you said Rum not Rhand.
Too many Rs.
...I'm saying that Rad has sent a message to Wisp which would be verifiable, meaning he can't be Godfather as he would be Oracle. Therefore, Rhand is now always Town to me.
But I don't think any of them are scum.
That leaves you, Tom.
Like if it isn't you it's Rad but I don't think it's Rad.
Tom, claim. Claim or die.
If there is a Midnight Desperado I need them to claim right now.
This is to find out if the possibility of there being a Claim Vigilante is higher. There is a 1/8 chance the role isn't even in the game, a 1/2 chance that it is actually a Desperado and a 1/2 chance that if it does exist Killjoy was it but I want to be sure.
Concerning the VC from yesterday: scum could only be bussing. This is because of the three people off wagon:
1. Me.
2. Rum.
3. Killjoy.
One is dead one is me. Rum I think is now cleared due to two things. The first is that they were roleblocked last Night according to them, and secondly their reaction between Tom's hammer and the EoD message is something I don't think scum would ever post.
Means the last scum is in Rad, Wisp, Rhand, Tom.
About to catch up now.
Killjoy's reasons for me being Town are stagnant and underdeveloped. The questions he asked have not really been used imo, and haven't really dealt with content from this game at all. His handling of me is really bad.
In the spoiler is everything he has said about me, or to me.
In the above I want to call attention to two things: the two times he specified why he Townread me, and the questions he asked. These are both issues in my opinion.
The questions he has asked has two major problems in my opinion. Firstly, they are very generalised. Unlike his questions to Wisp, he hasn't tried to look into my content, only my meta and only a few thoughts besides. Secondly, based on what he has said about me I don't think his thoughts are developed concerning myself, and what I have said has not been used to generate a read on me. (Which is better explained in the next paragraph.) In this way, I think he is only asking questions for the sake of asking questions.
The two times he Townread me (bolded) don't really have any changes at all concerning why he does it. The three reasons given are the following:
1. I am a scum driven wagon.
2. I sound natural.
3. I am an easy target.
If you read the bolded posts, it becomes much more evident that in the second one he only reiterated what he said before just more concisely. There is no change in why he thinks I'm Town, no changes in his thoughts. Lies are much less likely to change than natural thought and this is something that hasn't changed at all.
Finally, each of the numbered reasons. The only one I don't take issue with is #2 at this point.
#1 is a contingent thing. In the posts, I have coloured the relevant sentence red. There, he is saying that both our wagons seem scum driven, and is using it as a way to push Rad and Wisp. This makes me think that this point is more about his issues with Wisp than how he reads me independently.
#3 is not even really a reason why he should be calling me Town. It's like if I said "Wisp is an easy target so he must be Town" which would be very faulty logic to say that he is Town.
So, those are my issues.
*Votes in spirit I don't want to hammer*
(Also this is like the first time this game I have been majorly pinged without some sort of redeeming feature this game.)
That's why I said most of the time. Plus, I mean if the the top wagon is stagnant, not any other wagon.
As you said before, it encourages scum to vote away from scum, and since it's Day 1 bussing is less likely to occur. By seeing how votes are moved then it would be much easier for me to decide which wagon to avoid altogether. Also, by putting two possible scum against each other it directs the conversation onto the topic of their alignment, and could potentially make them converse more which is kinda needed in this game state since there is so little for me to go off of on over half the players.
Finally, if one wagon gets higher and stays stagnant for a long while it would mean that it would have a 90% chance of being Town, as it would mean scum would not care enough about it to argue away from it.
This is why I like putting two wagons against each other when tied, but you moving your vote means that it would not have any additional benefit, and may even be counter productive for a number of reasons. Firstly, your unwillingness to let my plan occur for a while means that it put Wisp up to three votes: it means the conversation ends up back on Wisp (which we have already discussed), the conversation leads to yourself and yet again we do not get the conversation focused solely on those outside of us three. Furthermore, since I think Wisp is Town that would mean it could even lead to less engagement as scum would be happy with the vote. Ergo:
Unvote
(I have a plan for competing wagons that I tend to use)
...Sorry, ex-friend.
(Serious version: I like having competing wagons within the PoE and my vote wasn't placed on anyone, hence my vote on Rum.)
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