Has anyone else wanted to run more fatal pushes MB, but can’t really justify cutting another card?
Fatal Push is just so good. It answers manlands and 90% of the creatures in modern. Using it turn 1 sets the opponent back, and other turns it can be played with other cards. It also makes us lose only 1 life off of a Bob flip, and we’re already running a bunch of fetches.
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Commander
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Kalitas seems like the card we want against Tribal Zoo. He is bigger than their creatures, gains life, stops voice/finks from coming back, and creates 2/2s for us.
Maybe we run him in our sideboard as a 1 of?
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I got destroyed by a 5 color aggro deck. Noble Hierarch, voice of resurgence, kitchen finks, mantis rider, tribal flames, lingering souls, and Blood-braid Elf was just too much aggression and value for me to handle.
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
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Tron is not unwinnable with 3 fulminator mages, who can be recurred with Lily, the last hope or KC, or be cascades into. We also have Maelstrom Pulse to answer Karn.
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
How is everyone feeling about Reid duke sticking with 4 iok mainboard and 2 thoughtseize in the side?
Doesn't this seem loose? I know Reid's one of the best players in the world...but I'm having trouble getting on board with this one.
Some people on Facebook are saying it's Reid so he's probably right. How's everyone else feeling about it?
Reid said that his current version is a rough draft and he’ll make changes to it after playtesting. It’s also hard to predict the meta and see how many Burn/aggro/midrange decks there will be compared to control/combo.
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
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I’m not sure 1 “best Jace shell” will be determined, as Blue Moon, Azorius, Grixis, and Jeskai each have their advantages and could be the best deck depending on the meta.
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
We can activate FoR turn 3 and play a BBE turn 4. We are a mana intensive deck with all the 3/4 drops, scooze, manlands, and the extra cards we draw with Bob. FoR can deal with problem lands without sacrificing resources.
FoR is best in Azorius control though that also runs path, Settle the wreckage, and GQ, and makes the opponent run out of basics, while playing spreading seas on nonbasics.
I don’t know if FoR is the right call for us. Right now I’m just playtesting it as a 1-of. It won me a game against American Jace control, but a GQ or Tec Edge would have also.
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Shanebeeps, I can see GW coco being a problem. Graffdiggers cage helps. I bring in brutality to hit mana dorks, voice early and to potentially snag a coco out of hand. Both Lilly's are very good in match up...it's a grind game and u want as much value as u can get. Iok their paths and let them path goyf early to pave the way for dark confidant. They only run 3-4 paths. With our confidant engine online and cascading bbes u should outvalue them.
Liliana of the Veil is bad against a deck that can sacrifice Voice or Kitchen Finks to her -2 and can put a Loxodon Smiter on the battlefield to her +1. She’s the first card I board out against GW Coco.
If decks like GW valuetown, zoo, Abzan Coco, and Dredge start seeing more play, we’ll have to add Kalitas back to the 75.
Scooze is an amazing card, but we never want to have 2 in play at the same time, Bob/goyf are better turn 2 plays against the majority of decks, and we need lots of green mana and creatures in the GY to take advantage of him. I like 2 MB, but the Jund Master likes 3.
Right now I’m trying a list that runs 11 1-drops, 8 3-drops, 2 manlands, and 24 lands total. I don’t understand lists that run 4+ manlands. I feel like as Jund players we want early answers and we have enough threats with BBE.
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Jace decks have path to exile, detention sphere, Settle the Wreckage and Terminus to deal with Dredge. If you want to play a card that’s not just a board wipe but can answer Storm’s goblin tokens, you can run Golgari Charm. Rakdos Charm is also an option, where you can have all those goblin tokens deal damage to the storm player.
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Tymna and Ravos WB
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Fatal Push is just so good. It answers manlands and 90% of the creatures in modern. Using it turn 1 sets the opponent back, and other turns it can be played with other cards. It also makes us lose only 1 life off of a Bob flip, and we’re already running a bunch of fetches.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Maybe we run him in our sideboard as a 1 of?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Reid said that his current version is a rough draft and he’ll make changes to it after playtesting. It’s also hard to predict the meta and see how many Burn/aggro/midrange decks there will be compared to control/combo.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
-When he was attacking with 2 BBE and the opppnent blocked with a creeping tar pit, why didn’t he let a BBE die and then return it with KC?
-Why did he side out Pulse when it answers Jace and Tasiguir?
-When the opponent had 1 land in play on turn 3, why not play the fulminator mage and destroy that land?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
We can activate FoR turn 3 and play a BBE turn 4. We are a mana intensive deck with all the 3/4 drops, scooze, manlands, and the extra cards we draw with Bob. FoR can deal with problem lands without sacrificing resources.
FoR is best in Azorius control though that also runs path, Settle the wreckage, and GQ, and makes the opponent run out of basics, while playing spreading seas on nonbasics.
I don’t know if FoR is the right call for us. Right now I’m just playtesting it as a 1-of. It won me a game against American Jace control, but a GQ or Tec Edge would have also.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Liliana of the Veil is bad against a deck that can sacrifice Voice or Kitchen Finks to her -2 and can put a Loxodon Smiter on the battlefield to her +1. She’s the first card I board out against GW Coco.
If decks like GW valuetown, zoo, Abzan Coco, and Dredge start seeing more play, we’ll have to add Kalitas back to the 75.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Right now I’m trying a list that runs 11 1-drops, 8 3-drops, 2 manlands, and 24 lands total. I don’t understand lists that run 4+ manlands. I feel like as Jund players we want early answers and we have enough threats with BBE.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB