@Marl
Yes but the 2 for 1 and dies to removal argument basically make you hinder yourself in some matches to the point of you losing because you play too conservatively.
I mean they can 2 for 1 us when we play aspect of hydra or vines or blossoming in response to us targeting a creature right? We still play them main board. I don't see rancor being that different other than being obvious when we play it.
This game has a whole lotta IF in it. While stompy doesn't have a lot of responses to IF main board unless they are trying to pre kill one of our creatures and even then its has to be in hand when needed which is another IF anyway.
Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just being a bit pedantic
Dang, I guess I'm in the minority here but I think that Rancor is the best card in the deck and a key reason to play it. It deals more damage than any other single card in nearly every match-up, and is only ever really bad against Chalice Of The Void or a rare Spellskite. I would never play fewer than 4, especially in the lower to the ground zero 3CMC build I've been playing.
I'm on your side -- and its that much better with Syr Faren to get massive damage through.
My thoughts on the discussion are this, Rancor is actually a very useful card to have main since many of our creatures don't have penetration aids like trample or flying natively. Only steel leaf and avatar have any kind of penetration aid and having rancor added to some of our early creatures with a not insignificant amount of power plus the trample ability so that if/when an opponent does start to block you aren't loosing back end damage. Yes there is the 2 for 1 aspect but then there is always going to be a removal argument as well. Additionally if they do destroy a creature with rancor on it before you at the very least are getting a rancor back for another creature.
The problem is not when you stick a Rancor it's if they reply to the Rancor which buries it too.
I am not that much into theory crafting as I tend to test the cards one by one. So I take my build slot the cards in and then test them. If I like them I they stay If I dislike them I go back to the old version. And I'm trying to do this for every card. But as the MH cards are so expensive to acquire It took me some time to grind the Hexdrinkers on MTGO. Therefore my queue of cards to test is pretty long.
But I also strongly considered dropping the 3 drops all together. Same as I am considering dropping Rancors. With all the new toys we got it looks viable. I strongly believe that we are keeping cards like Rancor and the 3 drops just out of habit, as we are so used to them being mainstays in the deck for to long. So at least for me its a big emotional hurdle to pass before I remove them. But there is a high chance that we might be better of without 3 drops and Rancor.
3 drops I agree but without Rancor you have to make sure you are still fast enough in game 1.
About Sir F: getting his running mate killed is not the extent of our concerns. Since you have to pump him before attacking to get the bonus they can just kill him beforehand and you get nothing. So he very much needs to be protected at all times.
I agree. I like the direction green is going in Eldraine but I think the most interesting card is Once Upon a Time even though it's definitely too inconsistent.
I'm not totally sure why Wildwood Tracker couldn't just be perma 2/2 if you have a non-Human. That would make it much better for us but still highly questionable.
Wildborn Preserver called it new 2 drop with serious mb potential
ok sized body check,
2 relevant keywords check,
mana sink check,
+1 counter check
makes a late game eone relevant check.
to be honest this is going to see a lot of play both standard and modern probably worth picking up a playset if you can find them under $3 at any point.
Experiment One is a human so it doesn't trigger the Preserver.
Hey guys is prismatic vista worth playing. I have a stock list and am just looking to upgrade a little bit. i want to add 2 prismatic vista for some filtering along with 1-2 waterlogged groves or peatlands.
Are they worth it or is it better to just keep the forests and not take the life loss?
They might be useful as cheaper substitutes to fetchlands if you want to enable Narnam Renegade. But that would splashing a second color more problematic.
Dang, I'm 0-2 for those. Forgot the second ability would be shut off on Devoted Druid, and also thought Cryptic Command tap targeted. I'm not very good at this game.
Don't worry, I'm probably 10x worse lol
Also, I think the Green PW deck has 3 Barkhide Troll in it so I'm going to try and pick one up at the Open House tomorrow and get some testing in with the Trolls.
Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just being a bit pedantic
I'm on your side -- and its that much better with Syr Faren to get massive damage through.
The problem is not when you stick a Rancor it's if they reply to the Rancor which buries it too.
3 drops I agree but without Rancor you have to make sure you are still fast enough in game 1.
About Sir F: getting his running mate killed is not the extent of our concerns. Since you have to pump him before attacking to get the bonus they can just kill him beforehand and you get nothing. So he very much needs to be protected at all times.
I agree. I like the direction green is going in Eldraine but I think the most interesting card is Once Upon a Time even though it's definitely too inconsistent.
I'm not totally sure why Wildwood Tracker couldn't just be perma 2/2 if you have a non-Human. That would make it much better for us but still highly questionable.
Experiment One is a human so it doesn't trigger the Preserver.
I personally always err on the side of fewer lands. Also agree that Fog can be good. Been using that trick since way back in Pauper.
They might be useful as cheaper substitutes to fetchlands if you want to enable Narnam Renegade. But that would splashing a second color more problematic.
Don't worry, I'm probably 10x worse lol
Also, I think the Green PW deck has 3 Barkhide Troll in it so I'm going to try and pick one up at the Open House tomorrow and get some testing in with the Trolls.