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The good news is this deck does better in a slower control meta. From my own experience (which admittedly is lacking compared to some frequenters of this primer) it folds to rampy green and hyper aggro strategies.
Another good thing is the deck is a nice split between control and aggro already, but in a controlling meta you'll want a little more counterspell backup (especially on a body like Glen Elendra Archmage, Venser, Shaper Savant, etc) to ensure key cards like Sneak Attack, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, haste enablers, your commander, and sac engines stick and stay stuck.
I agree, immediate results are definitely better. I'm just in the same boat as decimator and don't own Sower... So I do run Deceiver (And Silumgar). As far as Blade of Selves goes, if you run Deceiver then it's a good dude to slap blade on. 3 creatures stolen per combat ain't too shabby. (Granted that means you're paying 4 each turn to re-equip, but it's still pretty devastating.)
What do you guys think of Thalakos Deceiver? He can pretty easily steal a creature per turn with Marchesa out, he's a Wizard, and he plays quite nicely with Feldon and the aforementioned Blade of Selves
That actually sounds like great value... Really any self sacrificing creature with a good ability does... Fulminator Mage anyone?
Corpse Augur seems pretty good. Life loss and card draw together but kinda conditional.
*edit* links not working yet...
Corpse Augur 3B
creature - zombie Wizard
When Corpse Augur dies, you draw X cards and lose X life, X is equal to the number of creatures in target player's graveyard.
4/2
Ha. Yes definitely an upgrade... Dunno why but I always read Oona's Blackguard as "rogue" creatures w/ +1+1 counters cause the discard and was like but I don't run any rogues lol.... Oops.
So one card I've added to my deck that I'd like opinions on.... Needle Specter. I like wrecking hands and it's got potential to do that. I had a foil one laying around and decided I'd test it out.
@Daanzel: Exsanguinate, Greed, and Taurean Mauler have already been dropped and decklist is updated.
Lim-Dul's Vault and Fire Covenant to me read: "pay x life, step off the Throne." Their actual abilities are just icing on the cake.
In my meta there are a lot of hexproof/indestructible creatures and tron strategies so I run Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, and Sudden Spoiling to combat those decks. (Granted to me Sudden Spoiling is a staple in any black creatures matter deck)
I will find a replacement for Bolas though, he is kinda expensive to cast. I think I need more card draw, but something consistent unlike Rhystic Study.
I want sower but that price tag throws me off for the overall effect on the deck. I have to agree on Taurean Mauler though, he was pretty underwhelming. I could probably drop Disciple of Griselbrand, he's there for needed lifegain when I get too low but I do have a few other options in the deck. What non-creature spells should I drop? I've considered getting rid of Greed and possibly Exsanguinate (granted if i drop this disciple probably stays) but I'm kinda fond of the other spells.
So I came across a very odd card. It'd make excellent auto recurring sac fodder in Marchesa, especially forced sac at upkeep and an extra sac effect each turn to feed things like grave pact/dictate of erebos... but I don't know what to think. Vebulid
I'm not sure I like the forced sacrifice pre-combat/pre-main phase that Smothering Abomination forces you into. I'd rather sac when it's more beneficial and I WANT to sac stuff. (ie during combat or 2nd main phase) Other than that he's a decent bodied evasive creature for 4 cmc.
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The good news is this deck does better in a slower control meta. From my own experience (which admittedly is lacking compared to some frequenters of this primer) it folds to rampy green and hyper aggro strategies.
Another good thing is the deck is a nice split between control and aggro already, but in a controlling meta you'll want a little more counterspell backup (especially on a body like Glen Elendra Archmage, Venser, Shaper Savant, etc) to ensure key cards like Sneak Attack, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, haste enablers, your commander, and sac engines stick and stay stuck.
That actually sounds like great value... Really any self sacrificing creature with a good ability does... Fulminator Mage anyone?
*edit* links not working yet...
Corpse Augur 3B
creature - zombie Wizard
When Corpse Augur dies, you draw X cards and lose X life, X is equal to the number of creatures in target player's graveyard.
4/2
Ha. Yes definitely an upgrade... Dunno why but I always read Oona's Blackguard as "rogue" creatures w/ +1+1 counters cause the discard and was like but I don't run any rogues lol.... Oops.
4 Marchesa, the Black Rose
1 Sol Ring
1 Legion Loyalist
1 Blood Celebrant
1 Carrion Feeder
1 Viscera Seer
1 Oona's Blackguard
2 Rakdos Signet
2 Izzet Signet
2 Dimir Signet
2 Talisman of Dominance
2 Talisman of Indulgence
2 Pain Seer
2 Disciple of Griselbrand
2 Lim-Dul's Vault
3 Ashnod's Altar
3 Fervor
3 Grim Haruspex
3 Sage of Fables
3 Fulminator Mage
3 Drana, Liberator of Malakir
3 Unspeakable Symbol
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Liliana's Specter
3 Sudden Spoiling
3 Shadowmage Infiltrator
3 Fire Covenant
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Helm of Possession
4 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Anger
4 Aura Thief
4 Thalakos Deceiver
4 Profaner of the Dead
4 Disciple of Bolas
4 Erebos, God of the Dead
4 Smothering Abomination
4 Dimir House Guard
4 Ogre Battledriver
4 Marton Stromgald
4 Fleshwrither
4 Sakashima the Imposter
4 Clever Impersonator
4 Cytoplast Manipulator
4 Olivia Voldaren
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
4 Dack's Duplicate
4 Grave Pact
4 Clutch of the Undercity
5 Living Death
5 Dictate of Erebos
5 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
5 Urabrask the Hidden
5 Puppeteer Clique
5 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
5 River Kelpie
5 Grimgrim, Corpse-Born
6 Flayer of the Hatebound
6 Scourge of the Throne
6 Dragonlord Silumgar
6 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
7 Molten Primordial
8 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Polluted Delta
0 Verdant Catacombs
0 Misty Rainforest
0 Wooded Foothills
0 Flooded Strand
0 Blood Crypt
0 Steam Vents
0 Watery Grave
0 Tarnished Citadel
0 City of Brass
0 Mana Confluence
0 Underground River
0 Sulfurous Springs
0 Shivan Reef
0 Hall of the Bandit Lord
0 Drowned Catacomb
0 Dragonskull Summit
0 Sulfur Falls
0 Command Tower
0 Reflecting Pool
0 Opal Palace
0 Cabal Coffers
0 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Island
5 Swamp
4 Mountain
*edit* decklist added
@Daanzel: Exsanguinate, Greed, and Taurean Mauler have already been dropped and decklist is updated.
Lim-Dul's Vault and Fire Covenant to me read: "pay x life, step off the Throne." Their actual abilities are just icing on the cake.
In my meta there are a lot of hexproof/indestructible creatures and tron strategies so I run Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, and Sudden Spoiling to combat those decks. (Granted to me Sudden Spoiling is a staple in any black creatures matter deck)
I will find a replacement for Bolas though, he is kinda expensive to cast. I think I need more card draw, but something consistent unlike Rhystic Study.
Sorted by cmc. 44 creatures, 8 artifacts, 5 enchantments, 5 inst/sorc, 1 planeswalker, and 37 lands.
4 Marchesa, the Black Rose
1 Sol Ring
1 Legion Loyalist
1 Blood Celebrant
1 Carrion Feeder
1 Viscera Seer
2 Rakdos Signet
2 Izzet Signet
2 Dimir Signet
2 Talisman of Dominance
2 Talisman of Indulgence
2 Pain Seer
2 Disciple of Griselbrand
2 Lim-Dul's Vault
3 Ashnod's Altar
3 Needle Specter
3 Fervor
3 Grim Haruspex
3 Sage of Fables
3 Fulminator Mage
3 Drana, Liberator of Malakir
3 Unspeakable Symbol
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Liliana's Specter
3 Sudden Spoiling
3 Shadowmage Infiltrator
3 Fire Covenant
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Helm of Possession
4 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Anger
4 Aura Thief
4 Thalakos Deceiver
4 Profaner of the Dead
4 Disciple of Bolas
4 Erebos, God of the Dead
4 Smothering Abomination
4 Dimir House Guard
4 Ogre Battledriver
4 Marton Stromgald
4 Fleshwrither
4 Sakashima the Imposter
4 Clever Impersonator
4 Cytoplast Manipulator
4 Olivia Voldaren
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
4 Dack's Duplicate
4 Grave Pact
4 Clutch of the Undercity
5 Living Death
5 Dictate of Erebos
5 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
5 Urabrask the Hidden
5 Puppeteer Clique
5 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
5 River Kelpie
5 Grimgrim, Corpse-Born
6 Flayer of the Hatebound
6 Scourge of the Throne
6 Dragonlord Silumgar
6 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
7 Molten Primordial
8 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Polluted Delta
0 Verdant Catacombs
0 Misty Rainforest
0 Wooded Foothills
0 Flooded Strand
0 Blood Crypt
0 Steam Vents
0 Watery Grave
0 Tarnished Citadel
0 City of Brass
0 Mana Confluence
0 Underground River
0 Sulfurous Springs
0 Shivan Reef
0 Hall of the Bandit Lord
0 Drowned Catacomb
0 Dragonskull Summit
0 Sulfur Falls
0 Command Tower
0 Reflecting Pool
0 Opal Palace
0 Cabal Coffers
0 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Island
5 Swamp
4 Mountain
Sneak Attack, Sower of Temptation, and Phyrexian Altar are on my wish list.
Ok took out Greed, Exsanguinate, and Taurean Mauler. Replaced with Needle Specter, Smothering Abomination, and Clutch of the Undercity.