KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He's still not caught up, but I agree with most of what he's saying. His read on Zionite seems to be evolving naturally. There hasn't been a whole lot of other progression-related tells because he has so few posts, but these posts are consistant with the calm, collected player I've played with before (though my memory is foggy since it's been a long time). He's historically a strong player (who's brain I need to pick on mafia theory. I actually sent him a message before when he was away, but his account got purged before he read it, I think).
Let him catch up fully, and I think his reads will help a lot if he's town. He's gonna be a tough one to catch if he's scum.
@tom: Actually, if you want, look at Boardgame Mafia where I was scum against him. It has town ZDS and scum me, for future reference.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
IDK what scum!Zionite is doing. What his agenda is. He actively did not want to vote me. While not doing that, he didn't really push anyone. I get the feeling very strongly that he was riding the same cluster**** roller coaster that I was. I don't think he knows for sure I'm town. There's also the issue of my being a counterwagon to him... which I really don't believe I am. Zionite has been under decent pressure all game. Tom's case was early, those votes could have come on me way earlier. (And yes, I disagree with Sloth that counterwagons can appear that far after the initial wagon).
On an individual post level, sure he has some scummy posts. That's where the pressure came from. But in a general behavioral sense, I don't think.
Another note is I think his response to that pressure was... pretty good. GJ said apathy, and that seems true. He doesn't care nearly enough about potentially dying to be likely scum.
Take that however you want, but when I die you'll know it's sincere.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
tom’s legacy post feels so pure that I think not even tom can fake that.
Which makes me feel more comfortable sheeping him, and since I really need to be on the lynch wagon and LW seems trigger happy, I’m going to switch my vote before I go to sleep.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Right. Well, the way sloth explained it, we are literally terrible players if we don’t vote each other right now so...here I am. I could just ignore him but then I’d be disregarding not just one but two of my strongest town reads. And I know I’m gonna be wrong sometimes or tunneling so I gotta be mindful of that.
I've been called a terrible town player a lot. It's nothing new.
The fact that so many players agree with it is new. Usually not so many people in one place
you aren’t a terrible town player, that’s the problem this game
Exactly. Agreed.
I actually feel like I have to die just so people can look at this game objectively.
What do you think about people's reactions to my claim?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Right. Well, the way sloth explained it, we are literally terrible players if we don’t vote each other right now so...here I am. I could just ignore him but then I’d be disregarding not just one but two of my strongest town reads. And I know I’m gonna be wrong sometimes or tunneling so I gotta be mindful of that.
I've been called a terrible town player a lot. It's nothing new.
The fact that so many players agree with it is new. Usually not so many people in one place
I can't believe we're still talking about this.
Guys, this is not something that "sloth explained" that just goes away by ignoring me (all of us, I guess, because it's the first thing Tom and Last have agreed on all day): it's a basic 1+1=2 situation.
If you choose to ignore it, that's your right - but it doesn't make it any less true.
(Insert flat-earthers joke here.)
I still don't agree with your premise that the vote should just happen.
If I was less in the "Zionite is town" camp then I would have voted it for sure.
I'm not ready to let one of my town reads for to save myself.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Right. Well, the way sloth explained it, we are literally terrible players if we don’t vote each other right now so...here I am. I could just ignore him but then I’d be disregarding not just one but two of my strongest town reads. And I know I’m gonna be wrong sometimes or tunneling so I gotta be mindful of that.
I've been called a terrible town player a lot. It's nothing new.
The fact that so many players agree with it is new. Usually not so many people in one place
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He's still not caught up, but I agree with most of what he's saying. His read on Zionite seems to be evolving naturally. There hasn't been a whole lot of other progression-related tells because he has so few posts, but these posts are consistant with the calm, collected player I've played with before (though my memory is foggy since it's been a long time). He's historically a strong player (who's brain I need to pick on mafia theory. I actually sent him a message before when he was away, but his account got purged before he read it, I think).
Let him catch up fully, and I think his reads will help a lot if he's town. He's gonna be a tough one to catch if he's scum.
@tom: Actually, if you want, look at Boardgame Mafia where I was scum against him. It has town ZDS and scum me, for future reference.
IDK what scum!Zionite is doing. What his agenda is. He actively did not want to vote me. While not doing that, he didn't really push anyone. I get the feeling very strongly that he was riding the same cluster**** roller coaster that I was. I don't think he knows for sure I'm town. There's also the issue of my being a counterwagon to him... which I really don't believe I am. Zionite has been under decent pressure all game. Tom's case was early, those votes could have come on me way earlier. (And yes, I disagree with Sloth that counterwagons can appear that far after the initial wagon).
On an individual post level, sure he has some scummy posts. That's where the pressure came from. But in a general behavioral sense, I don't think.
Another note is I think his response to that pressure was... pretty good. GJ said apathy, and that seems true. He doesn't care nearly enough about potentially dying to be likely scum.
Take that however you want, but when I die you'll know it's sincere.
Why are you not hammering?
Killjoy hates this game.
Ok I'm gonna start making my posts now.
I actually feel like I have to die just so people can look at this game objectively.
What do you think about people's reactions to my claim?
If I was less in the "Zionite is town" camp then I would have voted it for sure.
I'm not ready to let one of my town reads for to save myself.
The fact that so many players agree with it is new. Usually not so many people in one place