I claimed to prevent terry from being strung up. I saw it as a hard clear that he was town.
Yes, you did use that word once after Terry died... Specifically to describe what you thought prior to his being killed, claiming specifically that it was the impetus for you claiming in the first place.
And yet you went from thinking Terry was hardcleared to condoning his killing. Fascinating.
You keep repeating yourself and keep showing how insecure you are that you lead to this and you did campaign HEAVILY for killing Terry. This falls more in your lap than it does in mine, so just calm down man. You ****ed up, IDK Why you ****ed up, IDK if it was personal or there was a good reason or what. But you did campaign HEAVILY for it. I sort of just gave in and begrudgingly at that. I didn't know that he was hard cleared, I've explained that wasn't the best usage of the word and I only used it once. I talked MULTIPLE times about being worried I was FPSING.
Way too much tryhard right here.
Why would I be insecure about daykilling Terry? So what?
In this scenario I was calling for anyone bellow Terry, I wasn't really calling for Terry. I was sort of permissively saying it wasn't the worst, but I wasn't advocating for it. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Its just basic English.
And in your basic English, you condoned the kill of someone you hardcleared.
And now you're trying to run around saying how much smarter than everyone else you are that you were right about Terry.
So explain how you were right about Terry when you openly condoned a daykill of him?
Because you can't have it both ways. You can't say there was no reason to kill Terry when you openly condoned killing him, because that attempt to discredit people not only also applies to you, but applies to you doubly so, because no one else on the bandwagon thought Terry was hardcleared.
You should have been lynched as soon as Terry flipped town.
@highroller: you are trying to pin the blame of terry's death when you were the one pushing it. It wasn't a hammer vote, it was a discussion about who is willing to defend terry and nobody got up to the task.
No, you have it backwards. I've never denied that I share responsibility for Terry's death. Every one of the seven people who gave the OK on Terry did. I maintain that there were valid reasons for voting for him at the time, but we were wrong and we mistakenly killed a town. This is true.
But D_V has been running around trying to claim himself as some sort of Cassandra figure, a prophet no one listened to saying Terry was town. "I was right about Terry!" he cries, "Look at how much better I am at the game than you!"
Except, he also put Terry on his mafia list and said he was totally fine with Terry's daykill, and was the 7th vote in that regard. You can't enter a binary scenario in which someone is either town or not town, take up both positions, and then say you were right when he turned out to be town. To claim he was right on Terry is ridiculous.
It also makes him extraordinarily suspicious because he was really the only one besides Terry himself who defended Terry, yet within two pages he goes from - his words - "hardclearing" Terry to being the hammervote in Terry's daykill. So when he runs around saying there was no reason to kill Terry, the immediate response is, "Ok, then WHY DID YOU THINK IT WAS FINE TO KILL HIM?" D_V had even less reason to kill Terry than anyone else on that wagon, because none of the other six of us was running around claiming to have hardcleared him.
Dv is certainly not the last scum so you can use your powers to find the other people in the scum team.
What are you talking about? "Use my powers"?
Also, what do you mean "other people in the scum team?" If you agree D_V is mafia, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
You've never given a satisfactory response, and you've continually tried to say you were right about Terry when you were the one who hammered him. Get your facts straight there, buddy.
3. A) We've been over how this doesn't even make sense as a scum tell for anyone on that wagon, see posts 1540, 1543, 1545. B) Why does this make me scummy over anyone else on that.
Because you were a common denominator on both bandwagons, and on neither of them did you give an adequate rationale for your blatant bandwagoning.
4. This makes me scummy how? Like what is my scum end game here. What was the scum plan. If this makes me scummy I must have done it for a reason what possible reason was this?
Exactly that: what possible reason could you have for performing such an inexplicable action as taking a bullet for Riku, especially when you were so willing to vote him earlier in the day?
I've been right about both of the flips we have seen so far since I have joined the game.
You hammervoted Terry because you thought he was mafia, dude.
And before you say, "We've been over this," if that means that I have repeatedly pointing out how you've never given a satisfactory excuse for this, and you continually don't give a satisfactory excuse for this, then yes, we have been over this, but it's worth repeating.
Because you don't get to get away with this. And you sure as hell don't get to act like you're some sort of clairvoyant for being right on Terry when you hammervoted him.
I'm not really desperate to discredit my detractors.
If this were true, then you would never need to make ad hominem arguments, personal attacks, or at any point resort to petty insults of any kind. You would never need to call anyone bad at playing. You would never need to do any of this. You could just provide satisfactory explanations, and that would be that. But you haven't.
You're anything but a calm, rational person. When I disagreed with you when you came, within pages you completely shut down, refusing to engage, throwing a temper tantrum, angry that you couldn't mute me. Because I disagreed with you in a children's game. I at one point made a joke about how apparently I ran over your dog, because that's the only thing that could explain your caustic behavior. Amazingly, it's only gone downhill from there.
So, no, you're not Yoda. And you're certainly not this person who acts from a serene position of unperturbed confidence in himself. You're a man who lashes out at the slightest provocation, a mark indicating lack of confidence.
Because the people voting me can't really point to anything. Its a farce case. Vez is scummy because?
The fact that you're Gozer.
The fact that you hammervoted a town you yourself stated was hardcleared before you then went back around and made absolutely sure everyone knew you hardcleared him and that you were shocked, shocked that we daykilled the guy you hammervoted to be daykilled.
The fact that you dogpiled on two separate bandwagons that each got to 4 votes within a very short span of time when it took Rodemy multiple pages to get to 4 votes even after he outed himself.
The fact that you caused a no lynch in an apparent attempt to take the bullet for Riku.
The real question is why aren't more people voting for you.
Thinking about the two dogpiles that happened yesterday.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
I assume all mods intentionally subvert flavorgaming, but DV being gozer and ******* with flips is too much to ignore forever.
That said im not about moving him to the bottom of my poe for it
It definitely doesnt move the needle on joe for me though. Amd he still looks like the most likely rod buddy
I don't mess with Flips, I'm just the only way to reveal them I think.
Maybe that is mess with flips. I promise you I'm going to flip town. I'd almost rather you lynch me today then work off my legacy, I think I've earned that with my town games with you.
It will literally never be personal from me i dont care enough about the game. Its the biggest differencw between us
Its harder to explain than that, but I think you and I get it though. Cool cool.
If anything else that's probably my biggest problem with you I read too much into the lines. Read too far into motivations ETC.
So you want to lynch me or not?
Cause I'm legit down with that plan. Normally I see it as minus ev. But I'm hoping my lynch will A) Wake the town up from doing flavor gaming and B) I've used my most important ability. C) As long as people sort of look at my thoughts and use them as a road map I think that's all I need to do for the game.
I'm mislynch bait and I don't really feel like playing with HR anymore he's a pompous ass. I've been tempted to post my role pm like 10 times just to get him to STFU.
@Vezok if you around vote me baby.
Actually at anyone.
Yesterday was different, but I still think I massively ****ed up eod anyways. We needed a flip and I saw myself as a viable flip. I'm not game throwing just to.
Well you don't. We will talk after the game ends. Maybe you can learn some things!
You voted a town you believed was confirmed town, and now you're harping about how you have no idea why Terry was suspected or voted, even though you were the hammervote on Terry, and you had less reason to vote him than everyone on the bandwagon.
"I have no idea why anyone did the thing I also did - when I had even less reason than anyone else to do it!"
That's more than enough reason to vote you. Towns don't vote cleared towns.
But enough clowning around. You want to prove me wrong? Vote yourself, like you did yesterday.
Yeah, so let's get it done. You flip town, fair's fair, I'll admit you were right all along. I'll even give you a pat on the back and a "'ata boy, way to get it done!"
Hell, you'll also disprove that flavorgaming will work this game, which means you'll help the town catch mafia that much more. Your sacrifice will be noble.
No it was an attempt to extend an olive branch and explain to you how wrong you were and that you are seeing the wrong thing. Its not indefensible its that it was a mistake I used the wrong word once and as I've said it isn't even exactly the wrong word. You just want me lynched because of flavor gaming and are going well out of your way to tunnel and make false pushes onto me.
See you're doing the same damn thing.
"No one has a good reason to lynch me!"
Uhh, here's a good reason, you hammervoted a guy you'd previously said was a hardcleared town. That's definitely worthy of a vote.
"You don't have a good reason for voting me!"
Repeating a false statement does not make it true.
Yes, you did use that word once after Terry died... Specifically to describe what you thought prior to his being killed, claiming specifically that it was the impetus for you claiming in the first place.
Oh no, you did. You said so yourself.
Did someone just get caught lying to the town? Tsk tsk.
Way too much tryhard right here.
Why would I be insecure about daykilling Terry? So what?
Why?
And now you're trying to run around saying how much smarter than everyone else you are that you were right about Terry.
So explain how you were right about Terry when you openly condoned a daykill of him?
Because you can't have it both ways. You can't say there was no reason to kill Terry when you openly condoned killing him, because that attempt to discredit people not only also applies to you, but applies to you doubly so, because no one else on the bandwagon thought Terry was hardcleared.
You should have been lynched as soon as Terry flipped town.
You clearly thought you did.
But D_V has been running around trying to claim himself as some sort of Cassandra figure, a prophet no one listened to saying Terry was town. "I was right about Terry!" he cries, "Look at how much better I am at the game than you!"
Except, he also put Terry on his mafia list and said he was totally fine with Terry's daykill, and was the 7th vote in that regard. You can't enter a binary scenario in which someone is either town or not town, take up both positions, and then say you were right when he turned out to be town. To claim he was right on Terry is ridiculous.
It also makes him extraordinarily suspicious because he was really the only one besides Terry himself who defended Terry, yet within two pages he goes from - his words - "hardclearing" Terry to being the hammervote in Terry's daykill. So when he runs around saying there was no reason to kill Terry, the immediate response is, "Ok, then WHY DID YOU THINK IT WAS FINE TO KILL HIM?" D_V had even less reason to kill Terry than anyone else on that wagon, because none of the other six of us was running around claiming to have hardcleared him.
What are you talking about? "Use my powers"?
Also, what do you mean "other people in the scum team?" If you agree D_V is mafia, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
You've never given a satisfactory response, and you've continually tried to say you were right about Terry when you were the one who hammered him. Get your facts straight there, buddy.
Because you were a common denominator on both bandwagons, and on neither of them did you give an adequate rationale for your blatant bandwagoning.
Exactly that: what possible reason could you have for performing such an inexplicable action as taking a bullet for Riku, especially when you were so willing to vote him earlier in the day?
You hammervoted Terry because you thought he was mafia, dude.
And before you say, "We've been over this," if that means that I have repeatedly pointing out how you've never given a satisfactory excuse for this, and you continually don't give a satisfactory excuse for this, then yes, we have been over this, but it's worth repeating.
Because you don't get to get away with this. And you sure as hell don't get to act like you're some sort of clairvoyant for being right on Terry when you hammervoted him.
If this were true, then you would never need to make ad hominem arguments, personal attacks, or at any point resort to petty insults of any kind. You would never need to call anyone bad at playing. You would never need to do any of this. You could just provide satisfactory explanations, and that would be that. But you haven't.
You're anything but a calm, rational person. When I disagreed with you when you came, within pages you completely shut down, refusing to engage, throwing a temper tantrum, angry that you couldn't mute me. Because I disagreed with you in a children's game. I at one point made a joke about how apparently I ran over your dog, because that's the only thing that could explain your caustic behavior. Amazingly, it's only gone downhill from there.
So, no, you're not Yoda. And you're certainly not this person who acts from a serene position of unperturbed confidence in himself. You're a man who lashes out at the slightest provocation, a mark indicating lack of confidence.
The fact that you hammervoted a town you yourself stated was hardcleared before you then went back around and made absolutely sure everyone knew you hardcleared him and that you were shocked, shocked that we daykilled the guy you hammervoted to be daykilled.
The fact that you dogpiled on two separate bandwagons that each got to 4 votes within a very short span of time when it took Rodemy multiple pages to get to 4 votes even after he outed himself.
The fact that you caused a no lynch in an apparent attempt to take the bullet for Riku.
The real question is why aren't more people voting for you.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
Day 3
"I have no idea why anyone did the thing I also did - when I had even less reason than anyone else to do it!"
That's more than enough reason to vote you. Towns don't vote cleared towns.
But enough clowning around. You want to prove me wrong? Vote yourself, like you did yesterday.
Yeah, so let's get it done. You flip town, fair's fair, I'll admit you were right all along. I'll even give you a pat on the back and a "'ata boy, way to get it done!"
Hell, you'll also disprove that flavorgaming will work this game, which means you'll help the town catch mafia that much more. Your sacrifice will be noble.
So how about it?
"No one has a good reason to lynch me!"
Uhh, here's a good reason, you hammervoted a guy you'd previously said was a hardcleared town. That's definitely worthy of a vote.
"You don't have a good reason for voting me!"
Repeating a false statement does not make it true.