We, the Council, are investigating the probability of running a forum event that might look similar to MafiaScum's Team Mafia.
We would like to run a pilot experiment for such an event, which would require 9 players across 3 teams of 3, who play 3 simultaneous games of sudden death 1v2 endgames, with one team member in each game. Such a game would require usage of the Mini queue but would run very quickly due to the three games being very small and therefore fast.
Does anyone (particularly mods in the Mini queue) have any objection to us jumping the queue and running this soon(TM) in order to get feedback as soon as possible?
Hey guys, I couldn't find a place for chitchat so I'm posting here.
Anyway, I found gandering_dan in the ffrk subreddit and remembered the good old mafia days. I stopped when curse took over and the site got blocked at work.
How's the state of the sub? I don't have as much time as before but I'm willing to help in any way it's needed, just tell me where if i'm needed at mentoring, playing, replacing, reviewing or creating games and I can help.
Hey man, it's been a while. Most chitchat happens in our Discord server if you want to drop by. Right now we mostly need players and games (mainly Minis).
For the sake of visibility, we are adding a list of common rules for game to the Rules, Info, and Articles thread. The game host still has precedence (mostly), but almost every game will use these rules.
They are:
Follow MTGS rules
The spirit of the rules is as important as the letter: if you think you have found a mistake or loophole, talk to the mod about it before you post.
Do not edit or delete your posts
Do not post after you are dead
Do not post in the thread while the game is in Night
Do not directly quote or screenshot your role PM, or any other communication from the mod or from any other private communication. You may paraphrase this information. If you have the slightest doubt, check with the mod before posting.
While the game is ongoing, do not talk to anyone about the game outside of the game unless your role PM explicitly allows you to. That means anyone.
Generally speaking, you're going to need a very good reason for any of these not to apply.
So is the Mafia Setup Archive still something that gets used/is supposed to be used?
As far as I'm aware it's useful but optional. It's mostly used to store setups so that if a mod disappears/can't finish the game then it's in a place we can get to it and keep it going.
Hey guys. I was taking a peek at the player contact list/rolling basics thread, and it seems like we're not getting critical mass for rolling basics in the slightest. However, we have had a handful of new players attempt to sign up.
Should we perhaps change that thread's purpose/branding towards not specifically basics, but more of a welcome mat/signup for new players wanting to be contacted when a newb-friendly game pops up?
I was more or less under the impression that's what it was, but making it clearer couldn't hurt.
I mean, I get where the push against this comes from, but I feel like I'm being punished for not lying. The reason I've played almost 150 games without claiming VT when I'm not VT was not to foster a trust tell, but to make my VT game more solid instead of relying on the absurd lies and dumb gambits my early Mafia career was infamous for. Rather, it was an olive branch to the players that felt my play was disruptive, and my attempt at giving a more traditional approach to Mafia a try. The trust tell was just an incidental development that I realized was a thing at one point and went with it. Again, I understand that allowing this creates a potential slippery slope for dumb shenanigans, but after 6 years of claiming VT only as VT, I think that at least Proph's suggestion of "start claiming VT as scum" is honestly really dumb. (Because really, when has that ever dissuaded a scum lynch from happening?)
You're not being punished for not lying, you're being singled out because you have intentionally transcended the game and given yourself and get out of jail free card whenever you roll VT. No skill required, you automatically become an innocent child. That is obviously broken and unfair, and if taken to an extreme where more people did it, the game of Mafia would cease to function entirely. How it happened doesn't matter, the fact that it became a deliberate, explicit pattern is the problem.
I don't think you should necessarily have to claim VT as scum (or when you're town power or anything else). What you need to do is not ever close off that avenue of play, nor assume that anyone should treat your VT claim as any different to any other.
I'm on board with the anti-trust tell rules, so don't get me wrong - I'm not arguing against that. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how I'm supposed to change my initial reaction to something after 6 years of conditioning to immediately respond to it in a certain way that's probably going to color my read of a person for the remainder of the game.
By recognising that your actions during those 6 years were very much outside of the spirit of the game and only not cheating because they were not explicitly legislated against.
100% agree Trust Tells should be forbidden, and a modkillable offence. I looked back through this thread, and we did discuss them way back in 2012 (#5806 ish). I don't think we ever formally outlawed them (since other drama was happening at the time), but the general consensus was that using them is cheap and very much against the spirit of the game.
Regarding trust tells: Am I allowed to vote people for voting me after I've claimed VT for the reason of them pushing me when I know they know I'm town at that point? Because I don't think I know how to argue that without pulling the trust tell into it, but it's still an entirely legitimate reason to be scumreading somebody as it's an in-game reaction to something I've done that pertains to my meta.
No. That's still utilising the trust tell, because it requires the statement "Iso never lies when claiming VT" to still be true. The simple fact is that a VT claim from you cannot be treated as any different to a VT claim from anyone else. No hints, no redacting, no loopholes.
I am recommending that Azrael be placed on probation as a game mod for having a bastard role in a non-bastard game.
Going to suggest we save this until the game in question is still ongoing. Alternatively we can discuss it via PM with council members who are not involved (which would be Zionite and myself).
We now have a community Discord (which is like IRC + Teamspeak) at https://discord.gg/vhbtZak where you should totally come hang out with all the cool people!
Announcing! MTGS Mafia now has a Discord community! For those that don't know, Dicsord is a mix of Skype, IRC, and Teamspeak, combining public text and voice channels with the option for private comms as well. The idea is to use it as a tool for community integration both as a functional replacement for the clan thread, as well as a place to have informal Mafia-related discussion. We'll also be using it to post announcements like when signups go up, so you won't even have to log into the forum to keep track of things!
To try it out, click here: https://discord.gg/vhbtZak There is an app you can download if you want, but it works fine in a browser. Spread this link to anyone you know who plays, even if they're not active any more. The busier we can get it, the more we can bring our community together and grow it!
Since TS is currently taking a leave of absence from the forum, stiff punishment is kind of unnecessary. I totally support probation, and can get behind a temporary blacklist as a message that toxic behaviour will not be tolerated. If and when TS returns to us, we will have a discussion with him to make sure he understands the consequences of his behaviour, and keep him on probation until he demonstrates a willingness to play civilly.
I'm sure many of you have noticed that the queues for both Minis and Normals are dangerously short. I'd like to run a PCQ-style open entry thing (separately for each queue) where people submit setups, we work together to get them built and reviewed, winners chosen by a combination of popular vote and judge panel, with all the games added to the respective queues with winners at the top. I believe this is a good way to encourage people to turn their ideas into completed games, spread cooperation, and generate some hype: all of which we sorely need.
We would like to run a pilot experiment for such an event, which would require 9 players across 3 teams of 3, who play 3 simultaneous games of sudden death 1v2 endgames, with one team member in each game. Such a game would require usage of the Mini queue but would run very quickly due to the three games being very small and therefore fast.
Does anyone (particularly mods in the Mini queue) have any objection to us jumping the queue and running this soon(TM) in order to get feedback as soon as possible?
Hey man, it's been a while. Most chitchat happens in our Discord server if you want to drop by. Right now we mostly need players and games (mainly Minis).
They are:
Generally speaking, you're going to need a very good reason for any of these not to apply.
As far as I'm aware it's useful but optional. It's mostly used to store setups so that if a mod disappears/can't finish the game then it's in a place we can get to it and keep it going.
I was more or less under the impression that's what it was, but making it clearer couldn't hurt.
You're not being punished for not lying, you're being singled out because you have intentionally transcended the game and given yourself and get out of jail free card whenever you roll VT. No skill required, you automatically become an innocent child. That is obviously broken and unfair, and if taken to an extreme where more people did it, the game of Mafia would cease to function entirely. How it happened doesn't matter, the fact that it became a deliberate, explicit pattern is the problem.
I don't think you should necessarily have to claim VT as scum (or when you're town power or anything else). What you need to do is not ever close off that avenue of play, nor assume that anyone should treat your VT claim as any different to any other.
By recognising that your actions during those 6 years were very much outside of the spirit of the game and only not cheating because they were not explicitly legislated against.
No. That's still utilising the trust tell, because it requires the statement "Iso never lies when claiming VT" to still be true. The simple fact is that a VT claim from you cannot be treated as any different to a VT claim from anyone else. No hints, no redacting, no loopholes.
Going to suggest we save this until the game in question is still ongoing. Alternatively we can discuss it via PM with council members who are not involved (which would be Zionite and myself).
2 I like the approach last year used
3) 2-3 weeks, 48 hours Night is fine.
4) N/A
To try it out, click here: https://discord.gg/vhbtZak There is an app you can download if you want, but it works fine in a browser. Spread this link to anyone you know who plays, even if they're not active any more. The busier we can get it, the more we can bring our community together and grow it!
What does everyone think about that?