if he never dies we can re-evaluate his claim on d3 or whatever with info on his chosen targets
I am just going to have a strong negative reaction to any claim which the "correct" play is "leave alive until D3 and re-evaluate." That seems, by definition, a very good scum claim.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Some of these people may have posted that they weren't going to be around.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We have wagons on 2 claims.
One is a dwarf in the story and is a good character, one is a random animal.
One is PR, one is vanilla.
I think the second claim looks like a fake one.
My vote stays and I will have time for a ZDS Iso on laptop a little later.
Of reasons to vote ZDS, these are not good ones.
Highroller: I know you've been pushing it for awhile. Can you summarize (in nice short and easy to read bullet points) why ZDS? If you can't, I suppose I will have to understand. My CC vote atm is almost solely based on the analysis of his interactions with ZDS.
@CropCircles could you confirm friendly neighbor not just neighborizer? I.e. the person you become neighbors with is told you are town?
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
What does this even mean? Of course friendly neighbor would be Town. By definition. The issue is whether we trust him? What does it mean if he does produce a result tomorrow? i.e. Another player steps forward and says "yes, CC targeted me and is Town!"
You see how that doesn't actually confirm either of them? At most it ties the coming forward player to CC such that, if CC is scum that player is also scum. But the reverse would not be true. So we're still cold as to CC's alignment. Now, we get to day 3 and another person comes forward, it's looking much, much better. But how many player are left at that point?
This is my paranoia imagining how this could be a scum claim just designed to drag it out.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I will not cry in my milk if this No Lynches. I will acknowledge that's not ideal.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I'll Second the request, for what that's worth.
Dude, vote!
I'm going to vote, hold your horses
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Because his reasoning for the counter-vote is: I disagree with your assessment of my statements. ZDS says my statements are "vague and safe non-stances" but actually they are real stances. ZDS says my suspicion of unjustified bandwagon voters is worse then Proph's unjustified suspicion of low posters, but actually my suspicion is more reasonable. And this translates to a hard vote ZDS.
Which it really shouldn't have. Because what ZDS said was barely a case at all. It was like a gut first impression, and nothing he said was wrong. CC's statements were mostly safe and unsurprising. This vote ought not to have ruffled so many feathers I wouldn't think.
So ZDS has a gut first impression and votes on it and that's fine, but I have a first impression and vote on it and that's bad? Is that just because I voted for the person who was voting me?
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And then, CC seemingly tries to turn it into something else entirely. When he is explaining the vote for ZDS (and why it isn't just an OMGUS vote, I guess) he tries to say that his reason for voting was because ZDS was being "inconsistent." i.e. ZDS said that I had taken a non-stance, but actually I took a real stance, so there.
That is not an inconsistency though, that is at best a difference of opinion.
The inconsistency I'm referring to is him pushing against me for pushing against proph for the same reason I was pushing against proph with a poor explanation of why my post was worse. We can disagree about the definition of the word "inconsistency," but I have not tried to change what this is about.
The irony here (to me) is that your "push" on Proph was barely a push at all. It was a gentle tickle. A mild raising of the eyebrow. Because what Proph did was more silly than suspicious. ZDS attacked you for taking an easy non-controversial position.
I don't think it's accurate to say that ZDS necessarily should have viewed Proph's post and your post in the same way.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Of course nightmare scenario is if he claims roleblocked or targets someone who dies but I think it's reasonable to let him test his role
This is not a nightmare for me, because if he claimed such a thing I would vote him dead on the spot.
Still not sure it's worth it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I'll Second the request, for what that's worth.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod i didn't see your vote in the last VC andi didn't observe you voting, correct me if i am wrong.
Please vote
You're not wrong.
Who should I vote for?
one of your scum reads.
How about one of yours? Who should I vote for?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod i didn't see your vote in the last VC andi didn't observe you voting, correct me if i am wrong.
Please vote
You're not wrong.
Who should I vote for?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
he gets "no particular vibe one way or the other" but then settles on "leaning town".
This is blatant misrepresentation.
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Grapefruit21: I don't get any particular vibe from his posts one way or the other, but I generally agree with his reads. The one exception being his town read of ZDS. Leaning town read.
I was leaning town because I agreed with his reads, which is what I stated. But then you quoted me and just leave that part out.
Was that that only "more" you actually had to say?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
well turns out im gonna be busy for the next hour or 2 so vote: cropcircles
So you vote a player who can self resolve by his night action?
Not entirely self-resolving, is it?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
On the other hand, I'm trying to imagine scenarios where letting him string this out can burn us if he's scum. This is a mini, there won't be many nights.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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1. silvercrys34672. ZeDorkSlipeur3. Rodemy r. Ampharos4. Prophylaxis
5. Jackrito r. Cayvie (sort of?)
6. Vaimes7. Dkingsland967 r. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
8. Grapefruit219. Axelrod
10. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry11. Highroller
12. CropCircles42
Some of these people may have posted that they weren't going to be around.
Highroller: I know you've been pushing it for awhile. Can you summarize (in nice short and easy to read bullet points) why ZDS? If you can't, I suppose I will have to understand. My CC vote atm is almost solely based on the analysis of his interactions with ZDS. What does this even mean? Of course friendly neighbor would be Town. By definition. The issue is whether we trust him? What does it mean if he does produce a result tomorrow? i.e. Another player steps forward and says "yes, CC targeted me and is Town!"
You see how that doesn't actually confirm either of them? At most it ties the coming forward player to CC such that, if CC is scum that player is also scum. But the reverse would not be true. So we're still cold as to CC's alignment. Now, we get to day 3 and another person comes forward, it's looking much, much better. But how many player are left at that point?
This is my paranoia imagining how this could be a scum claim just designed to drag it out.
Over ZDS. Final answer.
I don't think it's accurate to say that ZDS necessarily should have viewed Proph's post and your post in the same way.
Still not sure it's worth it.
Who should I vote for?