This was me. I usually, when I'm replacing out, put my reads out there before leaving. I have done it as scum as well so your more then welcome to see it as WIFOM.
I also have replaced out as town and scum for personal reasons while saying nothing about the game state and just being overwhelmed. Again WIFOM.
I know. I really didn't want to drag you into this unless someone wanted to go out of their way to look it up. You knew at the time that this was my opinion, as I stated so in that game, and Iso knew as soon as he read what I said.
Also, I used exactly that thought process to twist that post to my advantage
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You can right now swap role PMs with a friend in private and rig games. You can't really stop people from doing that. They don't because of the social interwork and peer pressure within the mafia system. Making it illegal (although I don't see it as an issue) would put it under that umbrella.
Besides, who deliberately and overtly cheats at casual game with nothing tangible at stake?
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However, RE: Replacing out, can someone point to me an example of someone's replace message affecting the integrity of the game?
300 Mafia. Didn't matter, as I spun the replace poster's intent on it's ear as scum, but there was a prominent replace post where the player listed their reads and opinions as they left, which read as very townie. No need to lie on your way out the door, right?
This falls under the idea that you should not continue to post content once you've annouced your intent to leave the game. By the same token, you shouldn't post content in the post where you announce your intent.
No need to mention names. This is not intended as an attack on a player. It is meant as an example of what should not be done.
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I have both attempted talking to art and am still quitting mafia because of him. I also have a large continuous forum presence that can't be hand waved as hyper sensitivity. Take that for what you will.
I have the PMs. Our conversations where I tried to explain myself about how you are angry you lost a large Normal game to my scum play (Flame Warriors) and I did nothing for you to be so angry with me for, after the actions of others dragging you back into it, came down to a reply of, "I don't [redacted explitive] care!"
All of this, even though I made it clear to you multiple times I appreciate you as a person and a player. Part of this was because of a third party, but whatever.
Again, I can't control how you feel after such a demoralizing, frustrating loss that came at the same time I was obfuscating in another game as scum where you ragequit because of my correct scumplay (Ender's Mafia). I did nothing wrong to cause this feeling in our interactions. I ask you to prove otherwise, given that the experiences that lead you to this conclusion were both games where I was frustrating to you as scum, as demanded by the nature of the game.
tl;dr: I would rather you not leave, and have tried to take steps to help, because I do care. I've done nothing to you to deserve your ire.
Every once in awhile, someone says something dumb in a bah post. And they get in trouble.
The bolded is the issue. It doesn't happen.
But again, I'm actually on the side of keeping Bah posts, but from here on out punishing them if they are used for more than they are intended for, which is to say goodbye and good luck to your team without continuing to effect the game. As I've said, any goodbye post, including "I'm /replacing out" should say nothing to effect the game other than the player marking the point where the left.
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This comment alone says you don't care how people feel and would criticize them in return for expression their feelings.
But I do care, actually. In the case of someone that just torpedoed me, thought, you are expecting me to be understanding?!
I can't control what Clock King thinks. I likewise can't attempt to change to suit him if he doesn't say something to me about what is bothering him.
He chose not to do that. Instead, he chose to come here and come after me opportunistically. How else am I supposed to react here? In some sort of understanding, oops my bad, contrition? When I had NO idea he felt this way about me because he chose NOT to mention it to me??
EDIT: Sorry Arn... I hate the tone of this as much as you do. Please don't let how this is going down effect your coming here. Your participation in games has been refreshingly calming.
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Clock King being skeptical that talking to you privately would accomplish anything is completely understandable. He probably figured(and most likely rightfully so) that doing so would just make him more annoyed. And there is no way that you can sit here and say that it would have made even the smallest bit of difference.
How can we know? He never tried.
Also, I can't account for his feelings. Chalk them up to the hypersensitivity he has demonstrated all throughout this website. He's quit, then returned to, then quit several things here. That is not my fault, and goes to demonstrate his habits.
Also, sure, that was his choice. But to say that he left because of me without ever addressing it with me and has now shown up to throw in on what's going on is still slimy and sad. To attempt to state otherwise is ludicrous.
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I will barn this. I will also add that I stopped playing Mafia in this subforum due to Artifice. As has been mentioned, he can take the game far too seriously that it comes off as unhealthy. He's not Naka - there is only one Naka - but if a player's behavior ruins games or makes them unfun, then they (generalized) should be called out for it.
Do me a favor. Be real.
By that I mean, mention the fact that this is the absolutely first notice of this that I've gotten. My PM box is always open. For you to come here and say this without talking to me first is obscenely snake-like.
Also, let's fresh the jury about how you taunted me in Annorax's Star Trek Mafia, before and after killing me irrationally.
In conclusion: stay classy San Diego
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What kind of PM would you enjoy to receive more? This:
Or this:
Personally I know what my answer is.
I pick the second one. Seems simpler
Kidding, kidding. If I were in the mood to put some Mods of completed games on blast, I would totally share some of the creative, informative ways I've been Nightkilled that would have been impossible to script without giving away who killed me.
So while Emo is 100% right about how the example could have been prevented, should it have been (which is what DRey is suggesting)? I believe no.
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I remember one time when DoubleX was the Vig and shot scum on my read but also got Nightkilled and his bah was to the effect of, "You were right, Iso~"
Oh yeah! What game was that?? I knew something like that was buzzing in the back of my head.
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Glancing at the probation list, I see no recorded instances of someone getting in trouble. I'm sure with some digging, though, we could find a few wordie Bahs that shouldn't have been. I know I've seen a couple in old games (participating or reading), not that I can recall where
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Can you name/link a player that has been punished for Bah post content?
EDIT: I can't, off the top of my head. Also, this same rule should extend to posts when replacing out. The post where you declare your intent should contain no further information IMO.
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This entire situation only came about because the victim knew who killed them. The mod left loose ends open, and it messed up the game. That's the fault of the mod and the player both, and was entirely preventable by the mod not letting it happen to begin with.
Right, I got that. I just wondered if then that would require players to inform the Mod of their intent to "Bah", adding another layer of complication. The reality is that the player should not add information to their Bah post that has an effect on the game in perpetuity. The Mod shouldn't have to play "information control" in that way. Flavorful death Night scenes are pretty awesome, IMO. I've received lots of them, as have many, many others I assume, and this is a corner case where that knowledge was used incorrectly by a player.
"Intent to Bah"... there is a bad joke in there somewhere... I'll avoid it.
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The only way that people should know who killed them is if it's from a spectator group, which you should only ever get access to after your Bah post is made anyway. The mod should never tell someone who killed them in their death scene night result.
Why? I'm not seeing it.
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Also, I used exactly that thought process to twist that post to my advantage
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300 Mafia. Didn't matter, as I spun the replace poster's intent on it's ear as scum, but there was a prominent replace post where the player listed their reads and opinions as they left, which read as very townie. No need to lie on your way out the door, right?
This falls under the idea that you should not continue to post content once you've annouced your intent to leave the game. By the same token, you shouldn't post content in the post where you announce your intent.
No need to mention names. This is not intended as an attack on a player. It is meant as an example of what should not be done.
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All of this, even though I made it clear to you multiple times I appreciate you as a person and a player. Part of this was because of a third party, but whatever.
Again, I can't control how you feel after such a demoralizing, frustrating loss that came at the same time I was obfuscating in another game as scum where you ragequit because of my correct scumplay (Ender's Mafia). I did nothing wrong to cause this feeling in our interactions. I ask you to prove otherwise, given that the experiences that lead you to this conclusion were both games where I was frustrating to you as scum, as demanded by the nature of the game.
tl;dr: I would rather you not leave, and have tried to take steps to help, because I do care. I've done nothing to you to deserve your ire.
The bolded is the issue. It doesn't happen.
But again, I'm actually on the side of keeping Bah posts, but from here on out punishing them if they are used for more than they are intended for, which is to say goodbye and good luck to your team without continuing to effect the game. As I've said, any goodbye post, including "I'm /replacing out" should say nothing to effect the game other than the player marking the point where the left.
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I can't control what Clock King thinks. I likewise can't attempt to change to suit him if he doesn't say something to me about what is bothering him.
He chose not to do that. Instead, he chose to come here and come after me opportunistically. How else am I supposed to react here? In some sort of understanding, oops my bad, contrition? When I had NO idea he felt this way about me because he chose NOT to mention it to me??
EDIT: Sorry Arn... I hate the tone of this as much as you do. Please don't let how this is going down effect your coming here. Your participation in games has been refreshingly calming.
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Also, I can't account for his feelings. Chalk them up to the hypersensitivity he has demonstrated all throughout this website. He's quit, then returned to, then quit several things here. That is not my fault, and goes to demonstrate his habits.
Also, sure, that was his choice. But to say that he left because of me without ever addressing it with me and has now shown up to throw in on what's going on is still slimy and sad. To attempt to state otherwise is ludicrous.
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By that I mean, mention the fact that this is the absolutely first notice of this that I've gotten. My PM box is always open. For you to come here and say this without talking to me first is obscenely snake-like.
Also, let's fresh the jury about how you taunted me in Annorax's Star Trek Mafia, before and after killing me irrationally.
In conclusion: stay classy San Diego
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Kidding, kidding. If I were in the mood to put some Mods of completed games on blast, I would totally share some of the creative, informative ways I've been Nightkilled that would have been impossible to script without giving away who killed me.
So while Emo is 100% right about how the example could have been prevented, should it have been (which is what DRey is suggesting)? I believe no.
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EDIT: I can't, off the top of my head. Also, this same rule should extend to posts when replacing out. The post where you declare your intent should contain no further information IMO.
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Perhaps a harsh punishment from here forward for Bah posts containing overt (or discernible-by-Mod covert) information is the best answer?
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"Intent to Bah"... there is a bad joke in there somewhere... I'll avoid it.
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NnnnnnnnnoooOOOOOoooOOOOooOOOOOOOooOOOOooooO!!
A thousand times
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