i was going o try and put togehter a control/slaver deck but when i realized how much $$ is was going to cost there is no way i would be able to afford it. i have the smaller pieces but im missing the power and the mana drains. (only the most important part of the deck!) so this is waht i came up with kind of a budget form of it. i dont know how it will do so here goes:
You cannot play control slaver with no power or mana drains. Period. End of discussion. There is no budget version, except for maybe missing a mox or two. No, the parts you have are "not the most important parts". Forget it. It can't be done. No, not even then. Not even for fun because the deck won't run. Some decks you can replace stuff. This isn't one of them, even if it seems that "the most important parts" are welders and the mindslaver. This is not a simple matter of power cards providing fast mana (although there is that).
Glenchuy would bust a nut if he hears of this. One of his pet peeves is when someone insists that a powerless/drainless version is possible. Give me a sec and I'll hunt for his comments on it.
your win condition isn't really as effective, slaving aggro once doesn't really do anything except buy you one more turn. slaving him continuously is the key. without the potential of dropping more than 1 artifacts a turn, the most you'll be doing is topdecking artifact land after artifact land in the hopes of getting uh... nothing, since you want to keep on topdecking artifact lands since the moment you draw... say, TfK- you're dead. since you're out of stuff to weld out. and the moment you cast TfK, AND draw the artfifact land, AND discard the 2 other cards para lang may artifact land ka to weld out, wala ka nang mana to activate mindslaver.
...again, that's assuming you have the best case scenario on EVERYTHING pa. dude, running control slaver without jewelry is an excercise in futility, it's like trying to play 4CC, hulk, stax on a "budget" with no single card over $80. control slaver is a mana starved deck. if, at any 1 point during the 4 turns that you try and pull out the combo, your opponent plays a wasteland or strip mine (not that hard to do) you're screwed all over since you'll be delayed another turn.
it's. just. not. possible.
If, however, you insist...
// Mana (27)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Volcanic Island
4 Shivan Reef
3 Gilded Lotus
3 Seat of Synod
3 Great Furnace
1 Wooded Foothills
R Tolarian Academy
R Sol Ring
R Mana Crypt (please at least have this)
R Mana Vault
R Grim Monolith
// Draw (7)
4 Thirst for Knowledge
R Fact or Fiction
R Memory Jar
R Wheel of Fortune
// Tricks (16)
4 Brainstorm
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Goblin Welder
4 Force of Will
// Utility (3)
2 Cunning Wish
2 Fire/Ice
R Tinker
// Win Condition (6)
3 Mindslaver
1 Memnarch
1 Pentavus
1 Platinum Angel
ok mondu, dont get your panties in a bunch. but i see that you did fins a different kind of deck so maybe ill go off of that. for this i thank you. what is this deck called? does it even have a name?
also are all of these ok to use in extended? are any of them banned?
Welder isn't even legal in extended. Come on, man!
Control decks in vintage require AT LEAST 10 proxies, and really need 12+. Slavery, esspecially, needs SoLoMoxen, and drain, and recall and walk are just duhs. Mondu's deck is probably the closest thing you could do, but it will NEVER win in even a mediocore metagame.
If you are budget in vintage, play Fish. Maybe joblins. Bird Sh*t if you are a good player. Stop mollesting good decks. What you are suggesting will just roll over and die. I may seem harsh, but its true.
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4 brainstorm
1 mana vault
1 feldon's cane
1 sol ring
4 counterspell (should be mana drain)
4 hinder
4 thirst for knowledge
4 solemn
2 minslaver
1 platnium angel
1 sundering titan
1 darksteel colossus
4 force of will
Thanks to xeno for the sig and avvy!!!
Glenchuy would bust a nut if he hears of this. One of his pet peeves is when someone insists that a powerless/drainless version is possible. Give me a sec and I'll hunt for his comments on it.
glen's primer on wizards.com (granted, its old)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=4892575
his thoughts on a powerless slaver (his comments are 90% in english)
http://7th.realm.com.ph/forum/index.php?showtopic=2936&hl=slaver&st=15
If, however, you insist...
// Mana (27)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Volcanic Island
4 Shivan Reef
3 Gilded Lotus
3 Seat of Synod
3 Great Furnace
1 Wooded Foothills
R Tolarian Academy
R Sol Ring
R Mana Crypt (please at least have this)
R Mana Vault
R Grim Monolith
// Draw (7)
4 Thirst for Knowledge
R Fact or Fiction
R Memory Jar
R Wheel of Fortune
// Tricks (16)
4 Brainstorm
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Goblin Welder
4 Force of Will
// Utility (3)
2 Cunning Wish
2 Fire/Ice
R Tinker
// Win Condition (6)
3 Mindslaver
1 Memnarch
1 Pentavus
1 Platinum Angel
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
also are all of these ok to use in extended? are any of them banned?
Thanks to xeno for the sig and avvy!!!
-AJ
Control decks in vintage require AT LEAST 10 proxies, and really need 12+. Slavery, esspecially, needs SoLoMoxen, and drain, and recall and walk are just duhs. Mondu's deck is probably the closest thing you could do, but it will NEVER win in even a mediocore metagame.
If you are budget in vintage, play Fish. Maybe joblins. Bird Sh*t if you are a good player. Stop mollesting good decks. What you are suggesting will just roll over and die. I may seem harsh, but its true.