explaining the loop...
1- Play Leonin relic warder
2- Play Fiend Hunter removing leonin
3- Play Parallax Wave
4- Put Parallax ability in the stack targetting a creature you don't control
5- don't let 4 resolve, target Fiend Hunter with another Parallax wave ability.
6- don't let 5 resolve, target your creatures you want to blink.
7- creatures you want to blink get removed from the game.
8- Fiend Hunter gets removed from the game.
9- Leonin Relic Warder it was removing comes back, it's ability goes into the stack targeting Parallax Wave.
10- Parallax Wave get's removed from the game, your creatures and Fiend Hunter come back to play, their ETBs goes into the stack, target Leoin Relic Warder with Fiend Hunter.
11- Leonin Relic Warder gets exiled, Parallax Wave comes back with full 5 counters.
12- Creatures from your opponent you targeted in step 4 are exiled for good.
13- repeat from step 4 as many times as you want
You can do that as many times as you want in response to anything colorless can throw at you....
before the first trigger from artifacts even dreams about resolving, this combo already removed every creature it has for good, blinked every white guy I wanted, gained infinite life, dealt infinite damage, destroyed infinite artifacts, I'd have used this from the start.... but I thought that only creatures started on the field.
This trumps EVERYTHING colorless could play. as it can be indefinitely repeated in response to anything.
Torpor Orb shuts off the combo. Also the rules stated that all creatures were in play and all artifacts were in play, enchantments weren't mentioned.
White Cannot Win... Exile Angel of Jubilation with Karn to ensure All is Dust will go off, and cast All is Dust with Boseiju, Who Shelters All...
Oh yeah, and Darksteel Reactor with any of the Charge Counter increasers, and proliferating artifacts... GG...
White loses, hands down, and oh yeah, Time Vault + Voltaic Key once the field is clear... White will not be able to land anything for the rest of the game... GG White...
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That card has been my bane in Many EDH games... Except the one where I had out 50 2/2 Drake Tokens and landed a Coat of Arms for the win... The table scooped...lol
Is Thopter Foundry legal on the Artifact side in this?
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You seem to forget one point, artifacts have this handy card that's killing them: Ensnaring Bridge. So the Eldrazis are screwed, around all the artifacts can't attack and around all artifacts can't use their activated abilities that requires a cost due to Null Rod.
Now, I do believe a lot of creatures in White has 0 Power or can go to 0 Power with some cards, making them attack legible, like Guardians of Akrasa, which works well with Wakestone Gargoyle. Also, i believe we start with a hand of 7 cards, which means not a lot of creatures can attack.
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You seem to forget one point, artifacts have this handy card that's killing them: Ensnaring Bridge. So the Eldrazis are screwed, around all the artifacts can't attack and around all artifacts can't use their activated abilities that requires a cost due to Null Rod.
Now, I do believe a lot of creatures in White has 0 Power or can go to 0 Power with some cards, making them attack legible, like Guardians of Akrasa, which works well with Wakestone Gargoyle. Also, i believe we start with a hand of 7 cards, which means not a lot of creatures can attack.
The null rod scenario has already been dealt with earlier in the thread. Artifacts reach infinite damage without attacking anyway.
Wow against all odds, even with great arguments and coutnters it seems what white has taken the prize, *mutter you cheated some how changed the rule of law...mutter* I begrudging hand over the point to White, I'm really sorry artifact this should have been your win.....
White Cannot Win... Exile Angel of Jubilation with Karn to ensure All is Dust will go off, and cast All is Dust with Boseiju, Who Shelters All...
Oh yeah, and Darksteel Reactor with any of the Charge Counter increasers, and proliferating artifacts... GG...
White loses, hands down, and oh yeah, Time Vault + Voltaic Key once the field is clear... White will not be able to land anything for the rest of the game... GG White...
Well yeah Eldrazi is good, but getting to the mana needed with just colorless seems fairly difficult. If I splashed (X) color with white, the situation would change. Solid white and no colorless would require serious deck building with alot of testing. White has great weenie builds, but so does colorless.
All is Dust costs a lot of mana and would probably role over before casting when facing white weenie.
The null rod scenario has already been dealt with earlier in the thread. Artifacts reach infinite damage without attacking anyway.
White can prevent an infinity of damage or redirect all the damage (Aegis of Honor is a good example for instants and sorcery and Beacon of Destiny for any source). Glad white has won this one, since Artifacts were screwed anyway.
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Well yeah Eldrazi is good, but getting to the mana needed with just colorless seems fairly difficult. If I splashed (X) color with white, the situation would change. Solid white and no colorless would require serious deck building with alot of testing. White has great weenie builds, but so does colorless.
All is Dust costs a lot of mana and would probably role over before casting when facing white weenie.
Maybe you should re=read the rules, each color has access to tons of mana...
Seems like you didn't read the OP...
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I guess it don't matter then since we are basically talking type 4 then.
Still like white for better optional removal, but colorless has some big **** to drop that is really game over.
Spot removal eh? Seems pointless when each artifact has hexproof thanks to Glaring Spotlight... And each artifact is indestructible thanks to Darksteel Forge, so Wraths won't work either...
For all intents and purposes, Colorless should have won...
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Spot removal eh? Seems pointless when each artifact has hexproof thanks to Glaring Spotlight... And each artifact is indestructible thanks to Darksteel Forge, so Wraths won't work either...
For all intents and purposes, Colorless should have won...
Neither of these are instant speed or faster, which is a big "issue" coulorless should have won, Unfortunately I have to go by votes, and while arguments can sway votes..... I have tried to make it more "post based" instead of popular in the next and all proceding matches.
Torpor Orb shuts off the combo. Also the rules stated that all creatures were in play and all artifacts were in play, enchantments weren't mentioned.
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Celestial Flare for hexproof/pro(x) dudes.
Path to Exile or Return to Dust for the indestructible stuff.
-Final Judgment if failed above.
Disenchant for normal artifact issues.
Stony Silence and Kataki, War's Rage for control.
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Again, for each permanent you just named, All is Dust
Emrakul, The Aeon's Torn - With Haste BTW,
Glaring Spotlight to give EVERY other Artifact Creature Hexproof and Unblockable...
Darksteel Forge to make all Artifacts Indestructible.
Cranial Plating on Emrakul or Etched Champion...
White Cannot Win... Exile Angel of Jubilation with Karn to ensure All is Dust will go off, and cast All is Dust with Boseiju, Who Shelters All...
Oh yeah, and Darksteel Reactor with any of the Charge Counter increasers, and proliferating artifacts... GG...
White loses, hands down, and oh yeah, Time Vault + Voltaic Key once the field is clear... White will not be able to land anything for the rest of the game... GG White...
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That card has been my bane in Many EDH games... Except the one where I had out 50 2/2 Drake Tokens and landed a Coat of Arms for the win... The table scooped...lol
Is Thopter Foundry legal on the Artifact side in this?
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Thopter Foundry is clearly multicolor, not colorless.
Now, I do believe a lot of creatures in White has 0 Power or can go to 0 Power with some cards, making them attack legible, like Guardians of Akrasa, which works well with Wakestone Gargoyle. Also, i believe we start with a hand of 7 cards, which means not a lot of creatures can attack.
The null rod scenario has already been dealt with earlier in the thread. Artifacts reach infinite damage without attacking anyway.
Well yeah Eldrazi is good, but getting to the mana needed with just colorless seems fairly difficult. If I splashed (X) color with white, the situation would change. Solid white and no colorless would require serious deck building with alot of testing. White has great weenie builds, but so does colorless.
All is Dust costs a lot of mana and would probably role over before casting when facing white weenie.
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White can prevent an infinity of damage or redirect all the damage (Aegis of Honor is a good example for instants and sorcery and Beacon of Destiny for any source). Glad white has won this one, since Artifacts were screwed anyway.
Maybe you should re=read the rules, each color has access to tons of mana...
Seems like you didn't read the OP...
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I guess it don't matter then since we are basically talking type 4 then.
Still like white for better optional removal, but colorless has some big **** to drop that is really game over.
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Spot removal eh? Seems pointless when each artifact has hexproof thanks to Glaring Spotlight... And each artifact is indestructible thanks to Darksteel Forge, so Wraths won't work either...
For all intents and purposes, Colorless should have won...
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Final Judgement does not care about hexproof.
Neither does Balance.
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