Gravitationally-challenged in more ways than one, Deathless Angel gives a whole new meaning to the term "fat flier". Large and in charge, with a huge behind (5/7), it's obvious why she needs six wings rather than two. By herself, she'd be enough to make RotE a large expansion set. It's a surprise that she can't block two creatures at once. She couldn't even fit in her picture frame, which is why WotC had to remake her as a full-size art card for RotE Game Day. But is she...
- ...pregnant or fat?
- ...on purpose (i.e. WotC told artist Johann Bodin to impregnate or fatten the angel for story/flavor purposes) or by accident (i.e. Bodin decided to impregnate or fatten the angel on his own)?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Seriously, though, it's a difficult question to answer that has given birth to a great deal of debate within my MtG group. There are good points on both sides of her...uh, that is, both sides of the argument (points are numbered and have corresponding bigbuttals...erh, rebuttals).
Points in favor of the Angel being pregnant:
1. There have been many mother deities in real-life world cultures. Her pregnancy is symbolic; it implies that she's a "Mother of All", a protector of all the inhabitants of Zendikar (as her activated ability would indicate), whom she regards as all her children.
2. The flavor text has a possible subtextual reading implying the angel gave birth.
3. Angels are created perfect (and thus with a perfect figure), and get enough battle exercise that they should have no trouble maintaining it.
4. Only pregnant women aren't afraid to wear a dress (more of a top than a dress, in this case) that exposes her belly and makes her look as fat as this piece of clothing does.
5. Angels might oppose birth control like some real-world churches and decide to lead by example.
6. Baby angels like Cupids gotta come from somewhere, right?
7. She's clearly lactating; just look at those milkjugs!
8. If you're "deathless" (immortal), you gotta pass the time somehow, right?
9. No impregnator is required because conception is spontaneous and miraculous (think virgin birth, like Jesus).
Points in favor of the Angel being fat:
1. She doesn't need to be a mother to be mothering. And she can just be smothering instead, also.
2. The flavor text is from the perspective of someone on the battlefield saved by the Angel, and finding birth-giving subtext is reading too much into it.
3. Perfection doesn't encompass a perfect figure.
4. Angels have no shame.
5. Churches in Zendikar and the MtG multiverse might not have the same views on birth control as some real-world churches. And even if they did, they might still oppose a pregnancy out of wedlock.
6. Angels are made by planeswalkers/gods/planes or spontaneously generated by magic, so there's no need for conventional methods of reproduction.
7. Her funbags aren't swollen; she's just full-figured, like she's big-boned.
8. Aren't angels "immaculate" (if you know what I mean)? It's just not how they would pass the time, even if they're "deathless."
9. If all MtG angels are female, who did the impregnating? The closest thing to gods on Zendikar are the Eldrazi (remember that the Merfolk/Kor worshipped Cosi/Talib, Ula/Mangeni, and Em(eria)/Kamsa, who are really Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul), and if she's carrying an Eldrazi Spawn baby... No way, right? That's just kind of ewww....
Fat momma, or just fat? You decide! Help expand/enlarge this debate by explaining your votes with a post!
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She's neither pregnant nor fat. If you look more closely at the artwork, there's actually a bit of skin beneath her stomach showing, which isn't actually part of her stomach (which is what probably makes it look like she's preggers). She's risque.
She's neither pregnant nor fat. If you look more closely at the artwork, there's actually a bit of skin beneath her stomach showing, which isn't actually part of her stomach (which is what probably makes it look like she's preggers). She's risque.
Yeah I can stomach that.
She does have pretty big thighs and pudgy cheeks though, so the mistake is easy to make.
Oh please. We're making fun of a card art because the female depicted is "fat" or "preggo" (fyi and take it from someone who has had several pregnant friends, the word 'preggo' is incredibly insulting to some women). It's not the zenith of humor by any stretch and I think we're allowed to say when we think something is not funny.
And I don't think fat/pregnancy jokes are all that funny.
The irony of posters here guffawing over physical appearances, though, has a certain delicious quality to it.
And don't forget your trademark snide comment when you inevitably lock this.
In all seriousness (or at least the most I can input into this thread in this board), Deathless Angel would make sense as a pregnant Angel, since because she is without death, she MUST be full of life!
This whole thread is a mockery to women. I bet most of the people posting in this are much fatter than she could ever be. The only problem with the art is that it is too dark.
Second, the six wings represents the Seraph class of angels. Which is the highest class. Traditionally the middle wings are meant for flying. The top wings hide the face, since it is too holy for people to see (see Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark). And the bottom for hiding the feet, that part is completely lost on me. So it has nothing to do with weight.
Third, this whole thread objectifies women and completely ignores their feelings. "Preggo" is considered a very offensive term. Currently many women are overly conscious about their weight to begin with. There is no need to make more anorexia nervosa.
Finally, I doubt anyone here will ever have an actual relationship with a women that meets their messed up standards. Perhaps if there were female magic players this would be less of a problem. Because, currently the magic community is very sexist. I was taught to play magic by a women. Their is no need to ridicule them.
I just found two better, bigger versions of the art of Deathless Angel! The first is from http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/442. Apparently, she was made into a full-size art version for RotE Game Day! I also found an extra-large version on artist Johann Bodin's blog. I've now I attached these two larger versions to the first post.
She's neither pregnant nor fat. If you look more closely at the artwork, there's actually a bit of skin beneath her stomach showing, which isn't actually part of her stomach (which is what probably makes it look like she's preggers). She's risque.
No, it's not just a bit of skin. She really does have wide hips, as can be seen much more clearly in the large arts.
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Second, the six wings represents the Seraph class of angels. Which is the highest class. Traditionally the middle wings are meant for flying. The top wings hide the face, since it is too holy for people to see (see Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark). And the bottom for hiding the feet, that part is completely lost on me. So it has nothing to do with weight.
The top wings are for hiding their face from God because His face is too holy for them to see (See: The Bible, Revelation). The middle wings are for flying to do God's bidding whenever command. And the third are for covering their feet, for the ground they are on is holy ground (they circle God worshipping Him).
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Asking people to remove quotes in their signatures is tyranny! If I can't say something just because someone's feelings are hurt then no one would ever be able to say anything! Political correctness is stupid.
This whole thread is a mockery to women. I bet most of the people posting in this are much fatter than she could ever be. The only problem with the art is that it is too dark.
Second, the six wings represents the Seraph class of angels. Which is the highest class. Traditionally the middle wings are meant for flying. The top wings hide the face, since it is too holy for people to see (see Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark). And the bottom for hiding the feet, that part is completely lost on me. So it has nothing to do with weight.
Third, this whole thread objectifies women and completely ignores their feelings. "Preggo" is considered a very offensive term. Currently many women are overly conscious about their weight to begin with. There is no need to make more anorexia nervosa.
This is humor, not debate. It's meaningless joking, and to tell me you've never made a racist/sexist/etc. joke would quite astound me.
Finally, I doubt anyone here will ever have an actual relationship with a women that meets their messed up standards. Perhaps if there were female magic players this would be less of a problem. Because, currently the magic community is very sexist. I was taught to play magic by a women. Their is no need to ridicule them.
They obviously taught you too spell too :p:D Sorry, I couldn't resist.
ON topic, I voted fat, because it is just like what department stores have done with mannequins, improved their girth to fit the general populace. And yes, men are fat too, so there's no reason to say that is a sexist statement.
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was a small pile of rocks, with one word...
UNLESS.
Whatever that meant, well, I just couldn't guess.
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- ...pregnant or fat?
- ...on purpose (i.e. WotC told artist Johann Bodin to impregnate or fatten the angel for story/flavor purposes) or by accident (i.e. Bodin decided to impregnate or fatten the angel on his own)?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Seriously, though, it's a difficult question to answer that has given birth to a great deal of debate within my MtG group. There are good points on both sides of her...uh, that is, both sides of the argument (points are numbered and have corresponding bigbuttals...erh, rebuttals).
Points in favor of the Angel being pregnant:
1. There have been many mother deities in real-life world cultures. Her pregnancy is symbolic; it implies that she's a "Mother of All", a protector of all the inhabitants of Zendikar (as her activated ability would indicate), whom she regards as all her children.
2. The flavor text has a possible subtextual reading implying the angel gave birth.
3. Angels are created perfect (and thus with a perfect figure), and get enough battle exercise that they should have no trouble maintaining it.
4. Only pregnant women aren't afraid to wear a dress (more of a top than a dress, in this case) that exposes her belly and makes her look as fat as this piece of clothing does.
5. Angels might oppose birth control like some real-world churches and decide to lead by example.
6. Baby angels like Cupids gotta come from somewhere, right?
7. She's clearly lactating; just look at those milkjugs!
8. If you're "deathless" (immortal), you gotta pass the time somehow, right?
9. No impregnator is required because conception is spontaneous and miraculous (think virgin birth, like Jesus).
Points in favor of the Angel being fat:
1. She doesn't need to be a mother to be mothering. And she can just be smothering instead, also.
2. The flavor text is from the perspective of someone on the battlefield saved by the Angel, and finding birth-giving subtext is reading too much into it.
3. Perfection doesn't encompass a perfect figure.
4. Angels have no shame.
5. Churches in Zendikar and the MtG multiverse might not have the same views on birth control as some real-world churches. And even if they did, they might still oppose a pregnancy out of wedlock.
6. Angels are made by planeswalkers/gods/planes or spontaneously generated by magic, so there's no need for conventional methods of reproduction.
7. Her funbags aren't swollen; she's just full-figured, like she's big-boned.
8. Aren't angels "immaculate" (if you know what I mean)? It's just not how they would pass the time, even if they're "deathless."
9. If all MtG angels are female, who did the impregnating? The closest thing to gods on Zendikar are the Eldrazi (remember that the Merfolk/Kor worshipped Cosi/Talib, Ula/Mangeni, and Em(eria)/Kamsa, who are really Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul), and if she's carrying an Eldrazi Spawn baby... No way, right? That's just kind of ewww....
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My tear ducts have long dried up.
That said, who says she had to get pregnant consensually? She's a 5/7 Angel. I'm sure she could have her way with some Glory Seeker or something.
But look at the art: the Glory Seeker in Rise of the Eldrazi is female!
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Yeah I can stomach that.
She does have pretty big thighs and pudgy cheeks though, so the mistake is easy to make.
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you would, wouldn't you?
She obviously comes from the Zendikar version of Louisiana
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Oh please. We're making fun of a card art because the female depicted is "fat" or "preggo" (fyi and take it from someone who has had several pregnant friends, the word 'preggo' is incredibly insulting to some women). It's not the zenith of humor by any stretch and I think we're allowed to say when we think something is not funny.
And I don't think fat/pregnancy jokes are all that funny.
The irony of posters here guffawing over physical appearances, though, has a certain delicious quality to it.
Not my department.
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I thought that was just a piece of cloth she was wearing Legionnaire style.
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In all seriousness (or at least the most I can input into this thread in this board), Deathless Angel would make sense as a pregnant Angel, since because she is without death, she MUST be full of life!
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*casts vote for pregnant, albeit purposefully for flavor*
I voted for pregnant, and on purpose, but looking at the results right now, it seems like we really have no idea!
Second, the six wings represents the Seraph class of angels. Which is the highest class. Traditionally the middle wings are meant for flying. The top wings hide the face, since it is too holy for people to see (see Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark). And the bottom for hiding the feet, that part is completely lost on me. So it has nothing to do with weight.
Third, this whole thread objectifies women and completely ignores their feelings. "Preggo" is considered a very offensive term. Currently many women are overly conscious about their weight to begin with. There is no need to make more anorexia nervosa.
Finally, I doubt anyone here will ever have an actual relationship with a women that meets their messed up standards. Perhaps if there were female magic players this would be less of a problem. Because, currently the magic community is very sexist. I was taught to play magic by a women. Their is no need to ridicule them.
No, it's not just a bit of skin. She really does have wide hips, as can be seen much more clearly in the large arts.
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lol I love how this art made the full art promo as well, haha
Ah well, she looks pretty chubby, no matter if she actually is or not.
I'm gonna say fat, though.
The top wings are for hiding their face from God because His face is too holy for them to see (See: The Bible, Revelation). The middle wings are for flying to do God's bidding whenever command. And the third are for covering their feet, for the ground they are on is holy ground (they circle God worshipping Him).
Maybe it was 'shopped, as revenge.
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This is humor, not debate. It's meaningless joking, and to tell me you've never made a racist/sexist/etc. joke would quite astound me.
They obviously taught you too spell too :p:D Sorry, I couldn't resist.
ON topic, I voted fat, because it is just like what department stores have done with mannequins, improved their girth to fit the general populace. And yes, men are fat too, so there's no reason to say that is a sexist statement.
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