It's a one-sided Wrath with the end result being a fairly big creature, but it's pretty easily disrupted. Plus, it requires a lot of spare mana, and can't be pulled off until turn 5 minimum.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
It's a one-sided Wrath with the end result being a fairly big creature, but it's pretty easily disrupted. Plus, it requires a lot of spare mana, and can't be pulled off until turn 5 minimum.
I know this won't be a factor for many more levels (at least 9th), but how does it work with Elvish Spirit Guide and Simian Spirit Guide? Are they each limited to 1 per turn, or collectively limited to 1 per turn?
And I thought of another question about abilities putting cards into play. Wood Elves and such don't count against plays per turn, but Elvish Piper does. Is it because of triggered ability versus activated ability, or land versus non-land? My question is about Academy Researchers. Which group would it fall into?
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Actually, the way I understand it, Wood Elves does count. Any land beyond the first put directly into play counts as a spell. More generally: any ability/effect that puts anything (creature, land, enchantment, etc.) directly into play (be it from your library or hand, probably graveyard) counts as a spell.
Actually, the way I understand it, Wood Elves does count. Any land beyond the first put directly into play counts as a spell. More generally: any ability/effect that puts anything (creature, land, enchantment, etc.) directly into play (be it from your library or hand, probably graveyard) counts as a spell.
This has already been discussed before... activated ability= sepll, triggered=not...
the theory behind it is that a triggered ability is PART of the spell... just looks back to the point where we discussed storm
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Id_Ego's got the point of this. If it's an activated ability that triggers the "put a card into play" effect, then it counts against spells per turn. If it's a triggered ability, it doesn't. And, as Academy Researchers' ability is triggered instead of activated . . .
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It's also quite easy to respond to. If you target me with Hidetsugu's Second Rite, I can respond with an instant that would change my life total and, due to the stack, I would then be an ineligible target for the spell.
If you targeted Ti'rin with Second Rite, I'd respond with a Healing Leaves, bringing me to 13 and making me untargetable by the spell's definition.
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What Qfx just did with one of the worst cards in Magic was utterly broken... rather, it's about to be, anyway, because I have a fair idea of what he's up to due to spells already played.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Has anyone discussed Conflagrate in this thread? It looks an awful lot like "turn 1 Conflgrate for 0, turn 2 flashback for the win" to me.
I'm also noticing cards like Barbed Shocker and its ilk that seem like they'd screw this format up pretty badly. I don't think I need to explain why these would be overpowered...
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The most you can Flashback Conflagrate for is 5, though.
Is that because you can't discard more than your "current hand size?" I mean, it makes sense, but it's not obvious from the rules--maybe somebody should add that in.
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Hand size is determined by spells left in your satchel at the time the spell is played- it's a formula somewhere on here. It's what keeps stuff like this from being ridiculous.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
It's also quite easy to respond to. If you target me with Hidetsugu's Second Rite, I can respond with an instant that would change my life total and, due to the stack, I would then be an ineligible target for the spell.
If you targeted Ti'rin with Second Rite, I'd respond with a Healing Leaves, bringing me to 13 and making me untargetable by the spell's definition.
... but the scenario I'm worried about is this one...
don't tell me Ti'irin would leave mana open for healing leaves on his first turn in arena...
I know I would. If I have a defensive spell that may be useful, I always hold back for it. Admittedly, I'm a conservative player, but I doubt I'm the only one. We're not out to ban anything that can be used in a combo, just...anything that may end up being blatantly abusable. And the Rite, by it's very definition, is VERY easy to mess up.
Truth be told, in regards to the Ante Cards, I could see them adding a huge dimension to the game, at least once we reach the legacy / vintage level of play. They would allow for an added form of competition in the Arena's that I think would be interesting to say the least... and since no monetary or such stuff is at risk, this is something that can actually be entertained on a forum in a way that it cannot otherwise be entertained.
As an additional note, I think Night's Whisper should be restricted to 2 cards per satchel... just because of the following combo once someone reaches threshold in black:
Cabal Ritual (BBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Tendrils of Agony (18 damage, 18 life)
Tendrils of Agony (20 damage, 20 life)
storm that can kill 2 mages in a single turn??? thanks but no thanks....
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To be fair, Battle of Wits is near-impossible. Minimum, you'd have to have the capacity for over 100 satchel points (50+ full-cast gems of tenth-edition commons plus the ability to cast the spell).
But the others? I'm reasonably certain I could acheive the requirements for Epic Struggle or Test of Endurance fairly quickly (hell, I'm already close to the latter in Maelstrom).
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I think the 30 life max should definitely be enforced in Arena Matches, the only place where this kind of card really would see any play anyways. There by preventing Test of Endurance from being valid unless erata'd for MTGRPG.
This card is kind of a "build around me" type of card, but I would agree this kind of card definitely presents some problems, especially in an environment where creatures tend to stay in ones graveyard from encounter to encounter (20 creatures in ones graveyard, ritual this card into play somehow, auto win that encounter)... seems broken to say the least.
This one is kind of hard to implement, not to mention that it kind of requires being built around, you would need a metric crap ton of coin flip effects for it to even be a useful card in the first place.
This one is kind of difficult to do in this environment, unless you build your deck around one drops.... which can be done. But you would be sorely at a disadvantage if this card was somehow disabled, not to mention on quests.
In short, while these cards do present a problem from a logistic standpoint, they also present interesting deck building and flavor perspectives that I kind of want to encourage people to be able to play around. They kind of seem fun to try to build a deck to take advantage of some of them if you ask me.
That doesn't change the fact that Night's Whisper when coupled with Cabal Ritual after a person reaches Threshold, essentially enables storm to the extent that it is no longer fun. I would really like to see that card (Night's Whisper) banned in this format due to its ability to enable such broken combo's in black as Tendril's Storm.
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Although it is desperately far in the future for anyone to get ahold of, a card that needs either a rewrite, or at least restriction is Exploration. I mean...as it stands, it's a 4 land drop on your first turn, and 5 lands on each subsequent turn.
What I propose is a 2 cast restriction, and errata it that lands brought into play with it come into play tapped.
Since it's Legacy, I don't think we need to:
a. consider it now
b. consider it at all
At Legacy level, things just get disgusting, so Exploration doesn't bother me.
Yet.
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Just out of curiosity, why hasn't Seismic Assault been banned/abused?
I think the reason for this is because you can only discard your non-basics to it in this game. You would need 9 non-basics (there aren't many people who have this many non-basics) to do win an arena match, AND you can only discard a number of cards equal to your "hand size." So it shouldn't be a big issue.
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Until you can get those Dark Rituals, that is.
I know this won't be a factor for many more levels (at least 9th), but how does it work with Elvish Spirit Guide and Simian Spirit Guide? Are they each limited to 1 per turn, or collectively limited to 1 per turn?
And I thought of another question about abilities putting cards into play. Wood Elves and such don't count against plays per turn, but Elvish Piper does. Is it because of triggered ability versus activated ability, or land versus non-land? My question is about Academy Researchers. Which group would it fall into?
This has already been discussed before... activated ability= sepll, triggered=not...
the theory behind it is that a triggered ability is PART of the spell... just looks back to the point where we discussed storm
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At the time, I had no answer, but it just came to me.
Do we put the word "the" in front of God? A Storyteller is not a GM. A GM is God. God is one of the Storyteller's little minions.
If you targeted Ti'rin with Second Rite, I'd respond with a Healing Leaves, bringing me to 13 and making me untargetable by the spell's definition.
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Yes, I am referring to One with Nothing.
In this instance, OwN + any mass reanimation spell = sick and wrong. It's better than Entomb on every level.
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I did it versus Fenris with Platinum Angel, but I then got destroyed.
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I'm also noticing cards like Barbed Shocker and its ilk that seem like they'd screw this format up pretty badly. I don't think I need to explain why these would be overpowered...
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... but the scenario I'm worried about is this one...
don't tell me Ti'irin would leave mana open for healing leaves on his first turn in arena...
I know I would. If I have a defensive spell that may be useful, I always hold back for it. Admittedly, I'm a conservative player, but I doubt I'm the only one. We're not out to ban anything that can be used in a combo, just...anything that may end up being blatantly abusable. And the Rite, by it's very definition, is VERY easy to mess up.
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Chaos Orb - has to be banned due to impractibility of playing the card in an online environment.
Falling Star - same reasons for banning as Chaos Orb.
Shahrazad - this one I could actually see not being banned
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Truth be told, in regards to the Ante Cards, I could see them adding a huge dimension to the game, at least once we reach the legacy / vintage level of play. They would allow for an added form of competition in the Arena's that I think would be interesting to say the least... and since no monetary or such stuff is at risk, this is something that can actually be entertained on a forum in a way that it cannot otherwise be entertained.
As an additional note, I think Night's Whisper should be restricted to 2 cards per satchel... just because of the following combo once someone reaches threshold in black:
Cabal Ritual (BBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Cabal Ritual (BBBBBBBB)
Night's Wisper (2 cards, total 3 spells)
Tendrils of Agony (18 damage, 18 life)
Tendrils of Agony (20 damage, 20 life)
storm that can kill 2 mages in a single turn??? thanks but no thanks....
Test of Endurance
Battle of Wits
Mortal Combat
Chance Encounter
Epic Struggle
To be fair, Battle of Wits is near-impossible. Minimum, you'd have to have the capacity for over 100 satchel points (50+ full-cast gems of tenth-edition commons plus the ability to cast the spell).
But the others? I'm reasonably certain I could acheive the requirements for Epic Struggle or Test of Endurance fairly quickly (hell, I'm already close to the latter in Maelstrom).
Someone once asked me why, when I talk about House Dimir, I don't put the word "the" in front of it.
At the time, I had no answer, but it just came to me.
Do we put the word "the" in front of God? A Storyteller is not a GM. A GM is God. God is one of the Storyteller's little minions.
I think the 30 life max should definitely be enforced in Arena Matches, the only place where this kind of card really would see any play anyways. There by preventing Test of Endurance from being valid unless erata'd for MTGRPG.
I agree, if you have taken the time to obtain the requirement for this card, you deserve to win every ▒▒▒▒ing single Arena match you play
This card is kind of a "build around me" type of card, but I would agree this kind of card definitely presents some problems, especially in an environment where creatures tend to stay in ones graveyard from encounter to encounter (20 creatures in ones graveyard, ritual this card into play somehow, auto win that encounter)... seems broken to say the least.
This one is kind of hard to implement, not to mention that it kind of requires being built around, you would need a metric crap ton of coin flip effects for it to even be a useful card in the first place.
This one is kind of difficult to do in this environment, unless you build your deck around one drops.... which can be done. But you would be sorely at a disadvantage if this card was somehow disabled, not to mention on quests.
In short, while these cards do present a problem from a logistic standpoint, they also present interesting deck building and flavor perspectives that I kind of want to encourage people to be able to play around. They kind of seem fun to try to build a deck to take advantage of some of them if you ask me.
That doesn't change the fact that Night's Whisper when coupled with Cabal Ritual after a person reaches Threshold, essentially enables storm to the extent that it is no longer fun. I would really like to see that card (Night's Whisper) banned in this format due to its ability to enable such broken combo's in black as Tendril's Storm.
What I propose is a 2 cast restriction, and errata it that lands brought into play with it come into play tapped.
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a. consider it now
b. consider it at all
At Legacy level, things just get disgusting, so Exploration doesn't bother me.
Yet.
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At the time, I had no answer, but it just came to me.
Do we put the word "the" in front of God? A Storyteller is not a GM. A GM is God. God is one of the Storyteller's little minions.
Ti'rin: there's a difference between Powerful and Broken.
Also, we'll need to consider Mind Funeral. That could get disgusting. Maybe not so much with the changes to Non-Basic lands, but still ouch.
I think the reason for this is because you can only discard your non-basics to it in this game. You would need 9 non-basics (there aren't many people who have this many non-basics) to do win an arena match, AND you can only discard a number of cards equal to your "hand size." So it shouldn't be a big issue.
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