Okay, I'm getting jaded with all of 'OMG MTGNEWS SUCKS' and 'Salvation is trying to kill MTGNews!' from both sides on both sites and both sides. I'd like to suggest that we start moving on and cut down on the antagonizing. I know a lot of you are already doing this, but we can promise it here to show that this is where we really do stand. Here's what I'd like you to promise by answering the poll:
No badmounting MTGNews.
Badmouth individuals if you must, but not News; for we share a lot of members, and we mostly came from there. Don't post "I left MTGNews and came here because they sucked."
Do not spam Salvation as an escape from News.
Promote Salvation, please! But don't promote it as "MTGNews is dead, come here." Promote it on its own merits - a strong and experienced rulings team including JeffV, MadWarper, and myself; reliable rumours; a new, fresh community.
Do not harass News.
No spamming the News forums or attacking News members because of their decision to stay or because of their precense there.
No flaming.
If someone comes here to troll us for leaving News, just report it and don't reply. Do not go to News and troll, do not leave flames at News when admins/mods post what you believe to be lies or insults against us.
If you're not ready to make this step, don't worry, no one's going to hate you. But the poll numbers should help cut down on the animosity from the people who have stayed at MTGNews and who think that we're out to get them.
Please. Regardless of my personal and quasireligious feelings in this matter, I don't want to see all of this back-and-forth. Do not forget, do not forgive if you're not ready, but do not dwell on the past. Let's go forwards, never looking back.
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Definately agreed. It is about time we make some news not based on people badmouthing other sites. I'm tired of people still ragging on 'News when we could be taking steps farther to be a better site.
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It's nice to see people actually caring about the community for a change. Thanks, Woap. I voted the first option, of course. I agree to everything you suggested. I think that this site will be a wonderful place, once people are willing to redirect their energy in a more constructive direction.
Oh, and I, well, uh... I "like" your latest avatar. Intense and eerie, with just a touch of "OMFG, I think I just wet myself." (Just an FYI: 'Elf's not the only one you've been terrifying... )
Definately agreed. It is about time we make some news not based on people badmouthing other sites. I'm tired of people still ragging on 'News when we could be taking steps farther to be a better site.
Here Here, it's time we let the past die, and look to the future to make this site better
I'd like to suggest that we start moving on and cut down on the antagonizing. I know a lot of you are already doing this, but we can promise it here to show that this is where we really do stand.
Add one more to the agree column.
Time to move on and create this community instead of trying to break down the other.
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He shall summon forth the ancient ones
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then shall the elder signs be shattered. Trade Thread
I agree with Woap's suggestions...MTGNews shouldn't be criticized, and Salvation should be promoted on its own merits. I won't post on News anymore, I am going to leave it behind yet still lurk.
Promote it on its own merits - a strong and experienced rulings team including JeffV, MadWarper, and myself; reliable rumours; a new, fresh community.
I've spent the last couple of days hoping someone would mention the rulings team. I know that Mtgnews is/was best known for it's rumor mill, but I always considered it to be the best site for both rumors and rulings. Hopefully this site will continue this work in both departments.
As for the poll, I want to choose option 2, but since I'd posted a whopping 23 posts in my three years at mtgnews, I think I should pick option 4 instead.
Either way, thanks for all the insights over the years. It's a shame what's happened, but I think it will all work out in the way that is best for (almost) everyone.
Woap, both of the first two options are that I would vote for. I am currently posting on both sites, but the only three subforums that I visit there are Clans, Trivia and Storyline - and from this point I am planning to be a mere lurker on other forums there. There is no need to post elsewhere (on 'news), because the rest (and of course the three mentioned too) is perfectly developing here. I see no point in flaming or spamming. The situation there does not affect my posting at the mentioned forums, and to tell the truth, I do not care about it any more. Although I found some S_S replies a bit funny in their strange way. I am a happy member of Salvation, and that is what matters to me now. MTGNews are only another forum for me now, like MT and what-I-know-which-others are.
So, I have chosen the 2.
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Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Lets list reasons why I have no intentions on coming back to news:
-My clan moved here
-R_E, and all the rumors moved here
-All the good OM posters moved here
-These boards are more advanced than news'
-I AM BANNED ON BOTH MY ACCOUNTS. The admins over there (sans S_S) CLAIMED they were working to unban me and R_E, but it will not happen.
Scott isn't handling all of this correctly, and the admins at news kind of loathe him.
I can't say all the salvation posters are behaving either.
Feyd made an excellent post today on News though, so some people know how to explicate the situation.
Censoring our URL is the nail in the coffin. Scott is making tons of childish steps in this entire thing, and fighting a losing battle.
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I'm not really concerned about what happened on MTGNews, so I have no reason to badmouth them. I moved here because of what Urza said - all the good OM posters (myself included *blush* ) are moving here, and I enjoy the conversations/debates there. If they move back, I will move with them. 'Tis all good to me.
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I definitely agree with everything woap says. I'm happy to see someone mention the rulings folk, since we're often taken for granted. I probably won't be posting much in too many places on this site, but I'll probably keep an eye on the rulings forum (especially if I'm at work and bored, like now).
I personally think it's a little rediculous that this thread needs to exist. Why people can't just post on the forum(s) they think best and let it be, I know not.
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Good deal. I think this thread was really needed. I was thinking about posting on both, but 'news just isnt the place it was (well, it started to lose its feel even before people started to leave). Im posting there for the time being, just making sure I go to bat for my decision on comming over to Salvation. Once the hostility dies down, I think im gonna make the full switch to Salvation.
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Good Ideas Woap, although I dont think the rift itself can be healed. Bridged perhaps, but there will always be a level of seperation. The trick is not to be angry about it, but to simply accept it for what it will be.
Now this is the thread "MTGNews Discussion" needed.
People seem to be making a huge deal about the "rift" or the "competition" between the sites. Why? There might be a small one, but not large enough to bother worrying about. There's nothing anchoring you to one site and denying you access to the other (excepting server-down :)) and the community is extremely similar.
I think people are missing that the point isn't to win, but rather to have a good community. As long as people are trying to win, that will likely not happen.
I have said this many times: I'm sticking with Salvation.
These boards are much more advanced than what 'News is, and even if news becomes better, I still won't go.
dude, their are some many good smilieys that i am avoiding the problem and not doing anything. I'll post on 'news, and I will ocassionally post here, but mostly just to read stuff that i'm used to reading from certain people
I guess I'm living proof that it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I'm posting on both and still wishing none of this had ever happened.
I see a great amount of energy and enthusiasm here while news is like my favorite old chair next to the fireplace. Such is life.
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Anyone else think it's time this forum is locked and archived? I mean, the significant events are over, and we're beginning to make a name for ourselves as a Magic forum, not just as the "Other MTGNews". It's time to separate, and it's time to act like this nasty little squabble is where it is, in the past. Most of these threads are really outdated, and the entire thing is devolving into a comparison between the incident and war or a revolution. This isn't really appropriate, and I'd quite like to see our members and those oif MTGNews getting along, as I still have friends over there. So lets close this forum and bury it, and extend an olive branch over to 'News.
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No badmounting MTGNews.
Badmouth individuals if you must, but not News; for we share a lot of members, and we mostly came from there. Don't post "I left MTGNews and came here because they sucked."
Do not spam Salvation as an escape from News.
Promote Salvation, please! But don't promote it as "MTGNews is dead, come here." Promote it on its own merits - a strong and experienced rulings team including JeffV, MadWarper, and myself; reliable rumours; a new, fresh community.
Do not harass News.
No spamming the News forums or attacking News members because of their decision to stay or because of their precense there.
No flaming.
If someone comes here to troll us for leaving News, just report it and don't reply. Do not go to News and troll, do not leave flames at News when admins/mods post what you believe to be lies or insults against us.
If you're not ready to make this step, don't worry, no one's going to hate you. But the poll numbers should help cut down on the animosity from the people who have stayed at MTGNews and who think that we're out to get them.
Please. Regardless of my personal and quasireligious feelings in this matter, I don't want to see all of this back-and-forth. Do not forget, do not forgive if you're not ready, but do not dwell on the past. Let's go forwards, never looking back.
"Sufficiently advanced experience is indistinguishable from clairvoyance." -Carsten
"Ah those eyes, those horrible creepy eyes!" -Chaosof99
DCI Level 3 Judge & TO
"I do not consider myself a hero. I know only what the Vec teach:
justice must always be served and corruption must always be opposed."
Go read! I am one of the three authors of Cranial Insertion.
But seriously, if you can't remember "Woapalanne", just call me Eli.
"Sufficiently advanced experience is indistinguishable from clairvoyance." -Carsten
"Ah those eyes, those horrible creepy eyes!" -Chaosof99
DCI Level 3 Judge & TO
"I do not consider myself a hero. I know only what the Vec teach:
justice must always be served and corruption must always be opposed."
Go read! I am one of the three authors of Cranial Insertion.
But seriously, if you can't remember "Woapalanne", just call me Eli.
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It's nice to see people actually caring about the community for a change. Thanks, Woap. I voted the first option, of course. I agree to everything you suggested. I think that this site will be a wonderful place, once people are willing to redirect their energy in a more constructive direction.
Oh, and I, well, uh... I "like" your latest avatar. Intense and eerie, with just a touch of "OMFG, I think I just wet myself." (Just an FYI: 'Elf's not the only one you've been terrifying... )
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Here Here, it's time we let the past die, and look to the future to make this site better
Add one more to the agree column.
Time to move on and create this community instead of trying to break down the other.
for he is the messenger between the spheres
and the traveler between the realms of the living and the dead.
He shall summon forth the ancient ones
and wake them from their deathly slumber
then shall the elder signs be shattered.
Trade Thread
I've spent the last couple of days hoping someone would mention the rulings team. I know that Mtgnews is/was best known for it's rumor mill, but I always considered it to be the best site for both rumors and rulings. Hopefully this site will continue this work in both departments.
As for the poll, I want to choose option 2, but since I'd posted a whopping 23 posts in my three years at mtgnews, I think I should pick option 4 instead.
Either way, thanks for all the insights over the years. It's a shame what's happened, but I think it will all work out in the way that is best for (almost) everyone.
Rob
So, I have chosen the 2.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
-My clan moved here
-R_E, and all the rumors moved here
-All the good OM posters moved here
-These boards are more advanced than news'
-I AM BANNED ON BOTH MY ACCOUNTS. The admins over there (sans S_S) CLAIMED they were working to unban me and R_E, but it will not happen.
Scott isn't handling all of this correctly, and the admins at news kind of loathe him.
I can't say all the salvation posters are behaving either.
Feyd made an excellent post today on News though, so some people know how to explicate the situation.
Censoring our URL is the nail in the coffin. Scott is making tons of childish steps in this entire thing, and fighting a losing battle.
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People seem to be making a huge deal about the "rift" or the "competition" between the sites. Why? There might be a small one, but not large enough to bother worrying about. There's nothing anchoring you to one site and denying you access to the other (excepting server-down :)) and the community is extremely similar.
I think people are missing that the point isn't to win, but rather to have a good community. As long as people are trying to win, that will likely not happen.
I voted 2, but could also have voted 1.
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