R_E and I are still modbanned. We still don't have banned tags, we still can't do anything on the forums.
The admins (Gato and Cyan at least) said they were working to get us unbanned.
Scott obviously won't let us be unbanned.
Plastik, why do you take everything so personally?
You really need to find a worthwhile cause and work towards that.
We have salvation, there is no need to keep marching against mtgnews.
You are almost back to where you where when we banned you a few months back.
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Just because I post under two names that are not plastik doesn't mean that I'm not part of the community anymore. And just because you think you're the God of webforums doesn't give you the right to censor people who want to be heard. Face it, he's only going to hear what he wants to, it doesn't matter what you say or do. That's all he's done so far, so why would it change? And after two years now of being around you on a forum, I honestly don't trust your judgement as any form of "community leader". I don't think that a group headed by you could express our concerns as they relate to the community. It's not a flame, I don't hate you, it's just a statement.
First of all, if you are posting under a different name while banned, that doesn't really make you much of a part of the community. Secondly, Highroller is doing his bit to stop tensions between the two forums. Whatever silly name he gives for himself doesn't matter, when it comes down to it, he won't use that to force his point, but what he says will be judged purely on what is written, not who writes it.
Lastly, there is no reason why Highroller and others can't express yur concerns. I feel just as annoyed an angry as most people by what has happened to news, but I realise that getting angry doean't help anyone.
Anger won't solve this problem. You get angry at S_S, and he isn't going to listen to a word you say.
That's irrelevant. If you're angry with S_S, he might not listen to you. But even if you approach him correctly, he'll probably still tell nothing but lies.
The problem I see here is that some of us (to name names- zoneace, gods child, and highroller) are trying to pin this on individuals of importance and the 'entire community'. I saw this earlier in the now-locked thread. The short of it: That's what Prof. Bush did that got us into war; dehumanizing the mass ('you all' need to stop spamming MTGnews) and putting a face on "who the blame should fall on" (EG: TNK). Spreading propaganda, especially among the masses of us who came here because we don't want to hear about mtgnews (unless it's that someone now has S_S's head on his or her wall), isn't something that's even relevant- it's just annoying. To even go so far as to say TNK is responsible for "harboring these net terrorists"... that's just freaking rediculous. http://www.go-gaia.com had their boards flooded last year. Did you guys start parading through MiseTings, Myg0t, or MTGnews announcing that all moderators should do their damnedest to cut down at the ankles all users who may have flooded the site? No? Didn't think so. If you're going to single people out, single out the people who ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE SPAM/FLOODING. If you want to 'stop tensions' between forums, that's one thing. But consistantly egging on members of these forums w/ "STFU- YOU WILL NOT TALK TO OR ABOUT MTGNEWS IN THAT MANNER, SIR!"
In the very same tone, Plastik- if you're going to start harassing MTGnews, that's one thing. But if you're going to do it, don't announce it to us. None of us care that you're going to keep posting the word salvation until your fingers fall off or until S_S bans you. If you want to do stupid ****, don't drag us down with you. This goes for everyone else who does stupid **** like Plastik.
There, I've said my peace on this.
Just because I post under two names that are not plastik doesn't mean that I'm not part of the community anymore. And just because you think you're the God of webforums doesn't give you the right to censor people who want to be heard. Face it, he's only going to hear what he wants to, it doesn't matter what you say or do. That's all he's done so far, so why would it change? And after two years now of being around you on a forum, I honestly don't trust your judgement as any form of "community leader". I don't think that a group headed by you could express our concerns as they relate to the community. It's not a flame, I don't hate you, it's just a statement.
This group is going to be headed by me? Really? I didn't know. When was this decided? I don't give a damn what you think of me Plastik. Just do not disrupt this effort to stop MTGNews from remedying this internally, or else you will be actively trying to damage MTGNews, which would seem to put you on the same level as S_S. Now, if you're done with your immature raving...
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That's irrelevant. If you're angry with S_S, he might not listen to you. But even if you approach him correctly, he'll probably still tell nothing but lies.
ljoss, I'm pissed off that you're banned too. I really am. You were always a great guy to debate with, and I'm thankful I knew where to find you.
But come on. It's not irrelevant at all. Are we dealing with a guy who has a lot of character flaws? Yes, we are. Can't argue there. But as I see it, there are two ways we can deal with this. We can either try to remedy this and at the same time set the right example, or we can try to actively be destructive and perpetuate a growing divide, not accomplishing anything.
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The problem I see here is that some of us (to name names- zoneace, gods child, and highroller) are trying to pin this on individuals of importance and the 'entire community'. I saw this earlier in the now-locked thread. The short of it: That's what Prof. Bush did that got us into war; dehumanizing the mass ('you all' need to stop spamming MTGnews) and putting a face on "who the blame should fall on" (EG: TNK). Spreading propaganda, especially among the masses of us who came here because we don't want to hear about mtgnews (unless it's that someone now has S_S's head on his or her wall), isn't something that's even relevant- it's just annoying. To even go so far as to say TNK is responsible for "harboring these net terrorists"... that's just freaking rediculous.
Oh I get it... Ok, I see how this works now. If people post messages against MTGNews policies, that's ok. But the minute this free speech thing goes the other way around, and the minute criticism turns toward Salvation, we're "spreading propaganda." That's cute Kijin, that's really cute.
1. Your so called "points" are irrelevant. TNK has already adopted a banning policy towards those who SPAM other forums.
2. I don't see how any of your George Bush analogies are in anyway relevant given that you've twisted my words completely. But *shrug* guess you can make up your own evidence.
3. If you didn't want to hear about MTGNews, THEN WHY ARE YOU IN THE MTGNEWS DISCUSSION FORUM?! Moreover, why are you on MTG Salvation? MTG Salvation is MTGNews with a different URL and staff, and has always held that policy. But I guess hypocricy's ok if you're Kijin.
highroller: You DO know that flaming is against the rules on this board, old chap.
Don't you?
Either way, could you please stop flaming me? It seems you're the one being juvenile about this whole thing.
EDIT: And also, dear old boy, aren't the caps a bit unneccessary? I mean, you've got quite an agressive tone as it is, now you're just ranting and pissing off Kijin, who's as free to express his opinion as you are.
Plastik, grow up. Before you outstay your welcome on these boards too.
Your attitude is doing no good for anyone. Flame Warning.
highroller: You DO know that flaming is against the rules on this board, old chap.
Don't you?
Either way, could you please stop flaming me? It seems you're the one being juvenile about this whole thing.
EDIT: And also, dear old boy, aren't the caps a bit unneccessary? I mean, you've got quite an agressive tone as it is, now you're just ranting and pissing off Kijin, who's as free to express his opinion as you are.
Do you ever wonder why you are banned repeatedly, and not very well liked?
Highroller's argument defeats yours on every level, so you resort to name-calling. Highroller is trying to make a difference, you are some sort of religious zealot, fighting for the glory of MTGsalvation.
Don't tell anyone to stop flaming when you yourself are flaming.
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The admins (Gato and Cyan at least) said they were working to get us unbanned.
Scott obviously won't let us be unbanned.
Plastik, why do you take everything so personally?
You really need to find a worthwhile cause and work towards that.
We have salvation, there is no need to keep marching against mtgnews.
You are almost back to where you where when we banned you a few months back.
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First of all, if you are posting under a different name while banned, that doesn't really make you much of a part of the community. Secondly, Highroller is doing his bit to stop tensions between the two forums. Whatever silly name he gives for himself doesn't matter, when it comes down to it, he won't use that to force his point, but what he says will be judged purely on what is written, not who writes it.
Lastly, there is no reason why Highroller and others can't express yur concerns. I feel just as annoyed an angry as most people by what has happened to news, but I realise that getting angry doean't help anyone.
That's irrelevant. If you're angry with S_S, he might not listen to you. But even if you approach him correctly, he'll probably still tell nothing but lies.
In the very same tone, Plastik- if you're going to start harassing MTGnews, that's one thing. But if you're going to do it, don't announce it to us. None of us care that you're going to keep posting the word salvation until your fingers fall off or until S_S bans you. If you want to do stupid ****, don't drag us down with you. This goes for everyone else who does stupid **** like Plastik.
There, I've said my peace on this.
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This group is going to be headed by me? Really? I didn't know. When was this decided?
I don't give a damn what you think of me Plastik. Just do not disrupt this effort to stop MTGNews from remedying this internally, or else you will be actively trying to damage MTGNews, which would seem to put you on the same level as S_S. Now, if you're done with your immature raving...
ljoss, I'm pissed off that you're banned too. I really am. You were always a great guy to debate with, and I'm thankful I knew where to find you.
But come on. It's not irrelevant at all. Are we dealing with a guy who has a lot of character flaws? Yes, we are. Can't argue there. But as I see it, there are two ways we can deal with this. We can either try to remedy this and at the same time set the right example, or we can try to actively be destructive and perpetuate a growing divide, not accomplishing anything.
http://www.go-gaia.com had their boards flooded last year.
Oh I get it... Ok, I see how this works now. If people post messages against MTGNews policies, that's ok. But the minute this free speech thing goes the other way around, and the minute criticism turns toward Salvation, we're "spreading propaganda." That's cute Kijin, that's really cute.
1. Your so called "points" are irrelevant. TNK has already adopted a banning policy towards those who SPAM other forums.
2. I don't see how any of your George Bush analogies are in anyway relevant given that you've twisted my words completely. But *shrug* guess you can make up your own evidence.
3. If you didn't want to hear about MTGNews, THEN WHY ARE YOU IN THE MTGNEWS DISCUSSION FORUM?! Moreover, why are you on MTG Salvation? MTG Salvation is MTGNews with a different URL and staff, and has always held that policy. But I guess hypocricy's ok if you're Kijin.
Don't you?
Either way, could you please stop flaming me? It seems you're the one being juvenile about this whole thing.
EDIT: And also, dear old boy, aren't the caps a bit unneccessary? I mean, you've got quite an agressive tone as it is, now you're just ranting and pissing off Kijin, who's as free to express his opinion as you are.
Plastik, grow up. Before you outstay your welcome on these boards too.
Your attitude is doing no good for anyone. Flame Warning.
I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
Do you ever wonder why you are banned repeatedly, and not very well liked?
Highroller's argument defeats yours on every level, so you resort to name-calling. Highroller is trying to make a difference, you are some sort of religious zealot, fighting for the glory of MTGsalvation.
Don't tell anyone to stop flaming when you yourself are flaming.