I realize that the Mods and most of the members here to not condone, support, etc. the spamming raids and profanity leaden threads and posts over on 'news. However, something needs to be done to stop those miscreants. IF you know someone who is participating in such behavior, let them know they are being stupid and should stop because all it does is make all of us look bad. TO THE MODS, if we know a member at this board is doing such things they should be disciplined, at the very least warned, or like at MT, when dumbasses would raid 'news (at least more recently) suspend them. Because whether you support it or not, doing nothing looks like support. I urge you all to stop the hate, stop the name calling, just move on, get over it, and stop being petty children. No good can come from our childish behavior.
I've made it very clear that I do not condone such behavior and had better not find out anyone here is participating in such attacks. As I said before, and I say it again: There's no need to throw gasoline on a fire. If the attacks are from elsewhere, there's only so much I can do about that, as I have no control over their actions.
What is it you think we're supposed to do? We can't control what everyone on a website does. Wether they're from here, MiseTings, MTGnews, Wizards, we can't control what they're doing. All we can say is that we don't condone it and it's not right, it should not be done. But if you want to be perfectly honest, they're your problem, not ours, because as far as I know no one from here is doing it so I can't tell them to stop. Ask your wonderful owner to take care of the problem, It's not my board their spamming.
What is it you think we're supposed to do? We can't control what everyone on a website does. Wether they're from here, MiseTings, MTGnews, Wizards, we can't control what they're doing. All we can say is that we don't condone it and it's not right, it should not be done. But if you want to be perfectly honest, they're your problem, not ours, because as far as I know no one from here is doing it so I can't tell them to stop.
no but allowing them to continue to use this site after they have done what they have done is counterproductive. you claim to not condone their actions (which i honestly believe) but you do nothing to stop them from making the community as a whole look bad. The best way to prove to everyone, especially the non-believes that you don't condone these attacks is to discipline the perpetraters.
EDIT and sorry about PMing you my entire post, i thought youd find it faster in your inbox but i sent it at the same time you were posting.
I don't get it, ZONEACE. Are you saying it's Numen's fault that MTGnews has spammers? I must be missing something here. Are those Numen's alternate accounts or something? What gives?
Furthermore, they could be from any Magic site. Just because people here don't care for S_S doesn't mean other people from other places don't as well (which I'd find it hard to believe if they did)
I don't get it, ZONEACE. Are you saying it's Numen's fault that MTGnews has spammers? I must be missing something here. Are those Numen's alternate accounts or something? What gives?
what im saying is that those people spamming at News are members here, and as the adminstrators of this community you have a responsibility to it. THose morons and miscreants make us as a whole look bad, and don't help our position as a community. and in this situation, we know which members they are, so something should be done about it.
what I am saying though is that people on both sides (the 'news owners and administrators and the salvation owners, admins and mods) are acting like little children. You all need to stop acting liek a couple of 5 year olds in the sandbox fighting over who gets the big yellow dump truck and act like the grown men most of you are.
Furthermore, they could be from any Magic site. Just because people here don't care for S_S doesn't mean other people from other places don't as well (which I'd find it hard to believe if they did)
liste mister "in charge" i gave you three specific examples of members on this site who are deliberately causing problems at 'news, ok, i didn't send you on a wild goose chase or anything liek that, i gave a specific map, and even back up dirrections if you lost the map. forget people from other magic sites, i didnt mention anything about them, im talking about the members here.
Maybe we should use the banned list from MTGNews (and Misetings and other Magic boards as well) to pre-emtptively ban anyone on MTG Salvation with a similar name?
And just for clarity, I don't run MTG Salvation at all. I may be a global moderator, but I never asked to be, and I haven't handed out a single warning. Please don't tell me what duty I have here.
Maybe we should use the banned list from MTGNews (and Misetings and other Magic boards as well) to pre-emtptively ban anyone on MTG Salvation with a similar name?
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I have changed my ways! I repent! I repent!
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I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
And just for clarity, I don't run MTG Salvation at all. I may be a global moderator, but I never asked to be, and I haven't handed out a single warning. Please don't tell me what duty I have here.
if you dont want the responsibilties then quit, and give them to someone willing to use them for the better of the community.
if you dont want the responsibilties then quit, and give them to someone willing to use them for the better of the community.
It's intended to be an honorary title. Geez, you and your literalness... just go away and leave us in pease. Be little miss manners at MTGnews, why don't you?
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I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
It's intended to be an honorary title. Geez, you and your literalness... just go away and leave us in pease. Be little miss manners at MTGnews, why don't you?
dude, you realize this is exactly what Im talking about. you act like you are so much better than people who don't post here, or people post in both locations. Do you not want what is best for salvation?
Zoneace has a point, but I think this evening (morning) EVERYONE is a little too defensive.
I see that we should try to make it known that we are NOT inherintly anti MTGNews, and that members should be tapped on the shoulder and reminded from time to time, but thats the extend of what should be done.
I think for now whats more important is that we get THIS community up and running coherently.
If i had known that my was going to be so ill-recieved and that the lot of you wanted bad blood between the sites, then i would kept my helpul ideas to myself.
Well whoever Pwnd is that username isn't even registered here. I'll PM the other two and tell them not to spam but I'm not going to punish them for their actions on another website, even if it is MTGnews. What they do here is here, what they do there is there. If they persist to spam even after I ask them not to, its your problem, not mine. For all we know they may not even be the same persons but using that name, impersonating them. Heck, for all we know, someone at MTGnews could be doing that to try and get people here in trouble. If you're getting spam attacked thank your wonderful owner for making people want to.
Well the only thing i can think is that news could pass the admins here a list of any offending ip's and we can offer to check them , but my ip rotates every 15 mins as i am sure others do.
My IP rotates every time I press the button. It's really pointless to ban any Bellsouth member by IP because eventually every member cycles through every IP, so one morning you'll wake up and it'll tell you you're banned, whether you are or aren't. It's annoying.
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Well whoever Pwnd is that username isn't even registered here. I'll PM the other two and tell them not to spam but I'm not going to punish them for their actions on another website, even if it is MTGnews. What they do here is here, what they do there is there. If they persist to spam even after I ask them not to, its your problem, not mine. For all we know they may not even be the same persons but using that name, impersonating them. Heck, for all we know, someone at MTGnews could be doing that to try and get people here in trouble.
well its good to see apathy is still alive and well.
He's mainly that as an honorary thing sort of like knightship. He can see behind the scenes because in the eyes of the public he is above a normal member and has some say, but he doesn't have the responsibilities of the position b/c he isn't that position. He just has the access, that he didn't even ask for.
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New Rules come out for 1999 6th Edition... "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO PORTAL! THE GAME IS RUINED! EVERYONE PETITION AND GET THEM TO CHANGE IT BACK!"
New Rules come out for 2010 Edition... "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO YU-GI-OH! THE GAME IS RUINED! EVERYONE PETITION AND GET THEM TO CHANGE IT BACK!"
New Rules come out for *Reserved for something in 2020* "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO *currently "simple" game by the more "skilled" players*! THE GAME IS..." etc.
I just dont understand this complete lack of pride in our new community. We come here to get away from specific actions, but then we do many of the same things.
well its good to see apathy is still alive and well.
Likewise its nice to see that arrogance is alive and well.
My IP changes as well. They have no responsibility for what happens on other sites. They can rant till they are blue in the face, but if someone's really causing that much of a problem on another site, then its that site's responsibility to ban them, not ours. We can ban them ten times, that won't do a thing for the OTHER site that they are flaming and spamming on.
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New Rules come out for 1999 6th Edition... "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO PORTAL! THE GAME IS RUINED! EVERYONE PETITION AND GET THEM TO CHANGE IT BACK!"
New Rules come out for 2010 Edition... "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO YU-GI-OH! THE GAME IS RUINED! EVERYONE PETITION AND GET THEM TO CHANGE IT BACK!"
New Rules come out for *Reserved for something in 2020* "THEY'RE TURNING MAGIC INTO *currently "simple" game by the more "skilled" players*! THE GAME IS..." etc.
what im saying is that those people spamming at News are members here, and as the adminstrators of this community you have a responsibility to it. THose morons and miscreants make us as a whole look bad, and don't help our position as a community. and in this situation, we know which members they are, so something should be done about it.
SS is making R_E and several others over here look bad as well. Why don't you stop him? Further, as R_E said: what exactly do you want us to do? Import a ban list from 'news?!?! This is our site. You take care of your own business, do what you have to do to get rid of spammers/flamers. TNK and the staff here has made it plainly clear that they do not endorse people flaming or spamming news. Furthermore, the staff has posted on certain threads here in an attempt to make it even more clear that spamming 'news will not benefit anyone.
What more can they do? You're being unreasonable. They've made every attempt possible to keep everyone civil. It's not their responsibility to monitor your boards. If they had been telling people to do such a thing, or maybe if they hadn't responded negatively towards it... I might see your point. But that's not the case at all.
The truth: the owners and mod team here did not create the problem, don't have any responsibility to fix the problem and yet still helped out as much as they could.
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what I am saying though is that people on both sides (the 'news owners and administrators and the salvation owners, admins and mods) are acting like little children. You all need to stop acting liek a couple of 5 year olds in the sandbox fighting over who gets the big yellow dump truck and act like the grown men most of you are.
Look in the mirror. You're coming over here to whine about your own problems at 'news. The staff here has tried to help you with that, and to such a level that I am almost amazed at their composure. Yet, you're here... blaming them.
There's no reason we all can't be civil, but I think your demands are alittle outrageous. The staff here can't control the internet, you know.
This is my last time in this thread before I close it, so I'm going to make this clear: If you're so concerned about the problem, then go take care of it, and quit coming over here blaming us for your problems and telling us to control things we can't control.
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this looks like another http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/member.php?u=722
and another http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/member.php?u=687
all three of those are from this one thread
http://forums.mtgnews.com/showthread.php?t=190452
something must be done.
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no but allowing them to continue to use this site after they have done what they have done is counterproductive. you claim to not condone their actions (which i honestly believe) but you do nothing to stop them from making the community as a whole look bad. The best way to prove to everyone, especially the non-believes that you don't condone these attacks is to discipline the perpetraters.
EDIT and sorry about PMing you my entire post, i thought youd find it faster in your inbox but i sent it at the same time you were posting.
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what im saying is that those people spamming at News are members here, and as the adminstrators of this community you have a responsibility to it. THose morons and miscreants make us as a whole look bad, and don't help our position as a community. and in this situation, we know which members they are, so something should be done about it.
what I am saying though is that people on both sides (the 'news owners and administrators and the salvation owners, admins and mods) are acting like little children. You all need to stop acting liek a couple of 5 year olds in the sandbox fighting over who gets the big yellow dump truck and act like the grown men most of you are.
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Plastik
liste mister "in charge" i gave you three specific examples of members on this site who are deliberately causing problems at 'news, ok, i didn't send you on a wild goose chase or anything liek that, i gave a specific map, and even back up dirrections if you lost the map. forget people from other magic sites, i didnt mention anything about them, im talking about the members here.
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And just for clarity, I don't run MTG Salvation at all. I may be a global moderator, but I never asked to be, and I haven't handed out a single warning. Please don't tell me what duty I have here.
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*blinks* nooooooooooooooooo!
I have changed my ways! I repent! I repent!
I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
if you dont want the responsibilties then quit, and give them to someone willing to use them for the better of the community.
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Plastik
It's intended to be an honorary title. Geez, you and your literalness... just go away and leave us in pease. Be little miss manners at MTGnews, why don't you?
I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
dude, you realize this is exactly what Im talking about. you act like you are so much better than people who don't post here, or people post in both locations. Do you not want what is best for salvation?
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Plastik
I see that we should try to make it known that we are NOT inherintly anti MTGNews, and that members should be tapped on the shoulder and reminded from time to time, but thats the extend of what should be done.
I think for now whats more important is that we get THIS community up and running coherently.
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Plastik
(Also known as Xenphire)
My IP rotates every time I press the button. It's really pointless to ban any Bellsouth member by IP because eventually every member cycles through every IP, so one morning you'll wake up and it'll tell you you're banned, whether you are or aren't. It's annoying.
I have no extendo-sig. Sorry, I'm just not vain enough to think someone will click on it.
well its good to see apathy is still alive and well.
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Likewise its nice to see that arrogance is alive and well.
My IP changes as well. They have no responsibility for what happens on other sites. They can rant till they are blue in the face, but if someone's really causing that much of a problem on another site, then its that site's responsibility to ban them, not ours. We can ban them ten times, that won't do a thing for the OTHER site that they are flaming and spamming on.
SS is making R_E and several others over here look bad as well. Why don't you stop him? Further, as R_E said: what exactly do you want us to do? Import a ban list from 'news?!?! This is our site. You take care of your own business, do what you have to do to get rid of spammers/flamers. TNK and the staff here has made it plainly clear that they do not endorse people flaming or spamming news. Furthermore, the staff has posted on certain threads here in an attempt to make it even more clear that spamming 'news will not benefit anyone.
What more can they do? You're being unreasonable. They've made every attempt possible to keep everyone civil. It's not their responsibility to monitor your boards. If they had been telling people to do such a thing, or maybe if they hadn't responded negatively towards it... I might see your point. But that's not the case at all.
The truth: the owners and mod team here did not create the problem, don't have any responsibility to fix the problem and yet still helped out as much as they could.
Look in the mirror. You're coming over here to whine about your own problems at 'news. The staff here has tried to help you with that, and to such a level that I am almost amazed at their composure. Yet, you're here... blaming them.
There's no reason we all can't be civil, but I think your demands are alittle outrageous. The staff here can't control the internet, you know.
Thread closed. - TNK
(Also known as Xenphire)