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Thanks for the imput, another problem that came out is : How many Basic lands? considering that foran is a three colors deck it's tough T.T

Oh i've taken out the loam liom fot tidehollow sculler

I use 6 basics. Personally I still use Marsh Flats. I don't like catabolizing my own like to hell. I'd rather cast Thoughtseize off a Swamp and Elspeth off a plains. Maybe use 1 of each Fetid Heath and Twilight Mire, and a couple Reflecting Pools.

Loam Lion for Sculler should be fine. To me Loam Lion is the most mediocre creature in the deck. Also you can probably go lower on your discard spells if you add sculler. Finks is also really good. Might as well use one Oran-Rief, the Vastwood which you can tutor up for infinite persistance. Finks is almost autowin vs Jund IMO.

Also, at least 2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant. She's amazing.

so this is the build now:

Creaturs +Spells

4 Treefolk Harbringer
4 Doran, the siege tower
3 Tidehollow sculler
4 Putrid Leech
3 Knights of the reliquiary
3 Kitchen finks
3 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
4 Maelstrom pulse
1 Chameleon colossus
1 Crib Swap
1 Nameless Inversion

Lands
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2

so this is the build now:



Divisionbyzer0: i'dlike to know how i can tutor up Oran rief.

Also it's my impresssion or this deck lack some life gaini(fink not included), i was thinking of takin out some guys to make place for : Stoneforged mystic and Behemot sledgehammer/ Whispersilk cloack bad choiche/good choice......unless i play i won't even now it

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so this is the build now:

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4 Treefolk Harbringer 4 Doran, the siege tower 3 Tidehollow sculler 4 Putrid Leech 3 Knights of the reliquiary 3 Kitchen finks 3 Duress 4 Thoughtseize 4 Maelstrom pulse 1 Chameleon colossus 1 Crib Swap 1 Nameless Inversion	Lands 25 2 Forest 2 Swamp 2 Plain 4 Reflecting Pool 1 Fetid Heath 1 Twilight Mire 1 Oran Rief, the vastwood 4 Marsh Flats 4 verdant Catacombs 4 misty rainforest

Divisionbyzer0: i'dlike to know how i can tutor up Oran rief.

Also it's my impresssion or this deck lack some life gaini(fink not included), i was thinking of takin out some guys to make place for : Stoneforged mystic and Behemot sledgehammer/ Whispersilk cloack bad choiche/good choice......unless i play i won't even now it

Lists that don't run any life gain will indeed eat their own life as fast as they empty their hand.
[CARD]
Knight of the Reliquary[/CARD]'s activated ability makes it easy for you to run single lands as a toolbox:

:symtap:, sacrifice a Forest or Plains: Search your library for a land and put it on to the battlefield.

Sejiri Steppe, Bojuka Bog, and Tectonic Edge are all good candidates to be played with Knight. Mystic and Collar is good. I've toyed with running a Baneslayer or two, I find that Kitchen Finks makes up for the losses usually, but that this deck doesn't have the same long game power that WGb Baneslayer Junk had. But, You usually gain 4 off one Finks.

Another suggestion. If you want to use 12 fetches, you should use 4 Knights. They will get HUGE FAST. You could also drop down a Misty and a Flats for 2 Stirring Wildwood. It's a good card, and it's even better with Doran.

stirring wildwood that's what i forgot.
So let's redo the manabase again

2 Forest
2 Plain
2 Swamp
2 stirring wildwood
3 reflecting pool
1 Fetid Heath
1 Twilight Mire
1 Oran Rief, the vastwood 14
3 misty rainforest
3 verdant catacomb
3 marshflats
4 murmuring bosk

Mystic and Collar is good. I've toyed with running a Baneslayer or two, I find that Kitchen Finks makes up for the losses usually, but that this deck doesn't have the same long game power that WGb Baneslayer Junk had. But, You usually gain 4 off one Finks

the baneslayer did good?, if i wanted to add some lifegain to this deck ie: basilisk and mystic what i should cut? any other tip is welcome

Ps: i'm posting around midnight here in italy, and i wonderes why people where active here Timezones

I know that my deck is going to be a 62 cards one, but i will try it anyway.

having read everything, i think i have the worst list in this revision for doran...

here's my list so far...

creatures:
4 doran, the siege tower
4 treefolk harbinger
4 indomitable ancients
3 wurmcoil engine
3 knight of the reliquary

spells:
4 maelstrom pulse
3 thoughtsieze
3 nameless inversion
3 oblivion ring
2 day of judgement
2 behemoth sledge
1 elspeth, knight-errant

lands:
4 murmuring bosk
4 verdant catacombs
4 misty rainforest
3 treetop village
3 reflecting pool
3 forest
2 swamp
2 plains

but after reading the thread, i think i have to revise the list again...

Sleeve it up and test it!

Your list is midrange control, wheras the "treehouse" build is aggro-midrange.

i was also thinking of on putting more treefolk like timber protector for the wurmcoils and 2 primal commands...

@divisionbyzero

really man? reading the thread so far i think this is not the most competitive list...@_@

What generally happens is that a deck places, and people follow the build very closely. The winning deck was aggro-midrange. But right now we have an uncertain metagame since extended season hasn't started, and most people devote their effort to standard. Try things out. Cards like wurmcoil engine help the weakness of this deck which is the potential to empty out the hand fast fizzle past early-midgame. Also cards like wurmcoil, finks, lark, and sun titan give a form of card advantage which outside of elsepth the regular build lacks IMO. The most lackluster card in your deck is the ancients.

I'm toying with a doran-less control deck in these colors actually, but that's a topic for another thread

got it man...

thanks...

whew...reading this thread really helps me a lot in toying with the list...

so can anyone post the most ideal list with a sideboard. I would really appreciate it.

I mean, the ideal list is probably what won in Amsterdam which is probably something like this.

• 4 bosk
  
• 4 verdant
  
• 4 misty
  
• 5 forest
  
• 1 Swamp
  
• 2 Plains
  
• 1 Arid Mesa
  
• 1 Fetid Heath
  
• 1 Wooded Bastion
  
• 1 chameleon colossus
  
• 4 loam lion
  
• 4 harbinger
  
• 4 doran
  
• 4 leech
  
• 4 knight
  
• 4 duress
  
• 4 thoughtseize
  
• 4 pulse
  
• 1 doomblade
  
• 1 nameless inversion
  
• 2 elspeth

I think he ran slaughter pact, but thats out, so doomblade or cribswap works as a replacement.

Not sure on the sideboard.

Definitely some burrenton forge-tenders, and great sable stags.

i'm using tidehollow sculler in md because i find it more useful than loam lion, even thoug a 2/3 for 1 it's good(either you have a forest or a murmuring bosk.

Okay, I have read this whole thread, and I have a deck to post but I don't know if it fits, because of the build I have, this deck appears to be a very aggro based deck, and I feel as if mine is more controlling. My list is:


No board as of yet, That is one thing I need help with, but I feel like between the perpetual advantage we create with Teeg combined with the real advantage we create with Sieze and Sculler (in my build), plus the efficient creatures, that this deck is really good. one comment I have to say on my own list, needs more Chameleon Collousus (i cant spell you guys know), where can I tuck it in at?

The rafiq list looks pretty brutal! Rafiq is so good. I always liked dark bant.

In the list above me, I don't feel the o-ring is essential. Elspeth would be better as a two of. Or even duress. Other than that I like your version a lot. Sculler should be great in a list with a high threat density and other hand control. He, sygg, and finks, actually create real card advantage which is otherwise a weakness of the deck. Teeg also synergizes with discard.

It probably won't be as consisently explosive with the lack of harbingers. But hey, pridemage is so good its played in all formats in almost any deck that can play it, so why not run him here too?

I'd like to go deeper into a toolbox fauna shaman build but I am uncertain as to how to go about it.

This is likely the skeleton I am going to start testing when I get most of the cards, it is the same list trying to replace cards that fit the same function ( ie cannonist for rule of law ) I like inquisition over duress because there are a lot of aggro decks and even against fae the ability to hit any of their earlier cards is great, any feedback and comments would be great

I'm happy to see more sap in to this thread, more ideas/version of the lists are always welcome.

@ dirka_dirka: why you didn't put a plain or a forest between your lands?

As it stands Dirka is running 8 fetches with only 5 targets. You usually want to have a few more targets than fetches, in my view.

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i was also thinking of on putting more treefolk like timber protector for the wurmcoils and 2 primal commands...

One could definitely do heavier treefolk. It'd be a more midrange deck though, since treefolk are usually cmc 3-5. Primal command is also a really good card. If I owned any I'd be trying them out. Profane command is pretty good too, and probably worthy of testing.

The better treefolk are

• Bosk Banneret
  
• Battlewand Oak
  
• Leaf crown Elder
  
• Sapling of colfenor
  
• Timber Protector
  
• Unstoppable Ash

profane command would be nice but it'll work best with swamps right?

i kinda forgot what it does...

profane Command

After some testing my new list



@ Division 0: why elspeth in the list? filler?
@ calenderkid7: try to take out the 2 o-ring, add 1 more stirring wildwood and 1 chameleon colossus
Ps: T.T i'm officially unable to create a decent manabase

@smorgonoff
thanks man...i thought profane damages like corrupt...

anyways...why not stick with the old mana base?

Well because Treetop Village isn't legal anymore ,XD
I don't know but it seem umbalanced to me:
i'm referring to this

• 4 bosk
  
• 4 verdant
  
• 4 misty
  
• 5 forest
  
• 1 Swamp
  
• 2 Plains
  
• 1 Arid Mesa
  
• 1 Fetid Heath
  
• 1 Wooded Bastion

my list should have 3 forests to make a total of 8 targets to 8 fetches, probably should be 2 forest 1 swamp in case i have turn 1 thoughtseize of catacombs and already have a second fetch in hand

@smorg- how has inquisition been over duress? i havnt been able to test because nobody has 1.X becaz "its so far away" around here