I played All in Red (Air) at Pro Tour Berlin and played against Tezzeret. I was not prepared and played around counterspells that were not in his deck. For more info check out my article
I've played quite a few games against All In Red, and although the match is in their favor, I don't believe it's as unwinnable as a lot of people are saying. Ensnaring Bridge shuts them down pretty well if you can stall enough to get it out, as well as your Chalice of the Voids doing quite a bit. Even assuming they draw the perfect hand, we're still not completely out of it. The other day I went something like 4-4 against it.
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Today I played Tezzerator. I had not had a chance to even touch the deck at all, so I was playing just by looking at the cards. I was missing 3 Chrome Mox, so I put in a Repeal, a Call to Heel, and a Mana Leak.
Round 1, I play a 1900+ ranked player (who really has my number). He is playing Tron and beats me 2-0 as I proceed to draw pretty poorly. Game 2 was a little more fun when I played Blood Moon, but he soon cast Triskelion and Sundering Titans.
Round 2, I play Affinity. He overextends and I do Engineered Explosives. Game 2, an Ancient Grudge and him drawing too many lands wins it for me, 2-0.
Round 3, I play Elves. I win after 2nd turn Chalice of the Void both games. This gave me time to use Vedalken Shackles. 2-0.
Round 4, I play against Faeries. The game 1 drags on and on as I Chalice for 2. I don't know what he has and am reduced to killing Sower of Temptations with a Pyrite Spellbomb recurring w/ Academy Ruins. I mess up and don't Pyrite Spellbomb him enough and we run out of time w/ him at 8 life. This was really my mistake but I didn't look at the time. I realized that I had control of the game and didn't want to take any chances. This was a huge mistake, as he went in on Tiebreakers. I would have played the Top 4 vs. Dredge.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
This thread seems kind of dead. Is this deck not considered competitive anymore? I plan on playing this at the BIG tournaments.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
One of my teammates made T8 in his PTQ with his build yesterday; he ended up losing in the T8 to the burn deck that won the whole thing. There were 3 burn decks in that T8 overall.
EDIT: Tezz won a Euro PTQ over the weekend as well. The T8 was Tezz, Hulk, Swans, Dredge, and Faeries x4. Tezz avoided Faeries completely in the T8.
Ok can this deck work without the search lands?? I have the entire deck except the search lands and it is doing ok, i know I coul use engineered explosives more frequently if I had them but yeah... Also what are this decks good matchups? and how does it do against affinity?
As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
Ok can this deck work without the search lands?? I have the entire deck except the search lands and it is doing ok, i know I coul use engineered explosives more frequently if I had them but yeah... Also what are this decks good matchups? and how does it do against affinity?
it could work without the sac lands however as you stated it does hinder your explosives. which could be a problem. also against affinaty im not entirly sure but i think the deck should run more ensnaring bridge in general which would also give a better affinaty match in my opinion.
Im just wanted to say i hate Blood Moon, Not that i dont like playing it in my deck, but i got some decks with none-basic lands and no Red what so ever so it can really tear apart a deck that runs off of None-basic's. Thought i would just throught that in.
Im just wanted to say i hate Blood Moon, Not that i dont like playing it in my deck, but i got some decks with none-basic lands and no Red what so ever so it can really tear apart a deck that runs off of None-basic's. Thought i would just throught that in.
Congratulations you figured out why we're playing Blood Moon. Good work.
well i just got back from a 32 man tourny at my local shop and I came in first. Ran into three burn decks but it turn one chalice for one most of the time i love that card. Anyways nevr saw fae the whol time so i guess I am mister luck on that note but this deck still has lots of life. I think the deck will become super popular whenever onslaught rotates out. also hw does thisdeck hande all ion red. It was my only loss in the prelems before top 8.
As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
Well honestly againt stuff like all in...aether spellbomb is hopefull so you really dont need unsommon..you can search for it.
2) Blood moon is good...if you know youre going to have to end up playing one...just search for basic land instead of dual lands...or just the one steam vents. But in my build I do run 1x great furnace.
I'm also running 1x sunbeam spellbomb, even if they do play vortex either I bounce it with Vensar or with a command...even than its not that hard...but I love this deck. I played Fae for 2 months and just didn't get the feel for it.
But I love Tezz so Im sticking with him
why? did it place recently? can we get the new list that did well? (not a link please)
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1.) Anyone who thinks cancel is viable should be shot. in the face. with a hammer.
2.) You misunderstand, what I was suggesting was the total exclusion of Spellstutter Sprite, because it just isnt that good anymore.
3.) Understand, Dredge is not really a Magic: The Gathering deck. When a card is playable in it, it doesn't mean it's a tournament playable card. It means it's playable in whatever crazy fantasy world that Dredge operates in.
At the Calgary PTQ last weekend I top 16ed with a tezz list that ran no bloodmoons. My losses were to beasts(seriusly punted this match). And lost to loam because my opp saw dub BB both games and I couldent find an academy ruins. I beat elves, loam, ponza, martyr and r/a with battlegrace angel(surprisingly decent)
"Crovax Connections" does sound like a friendly corner store run by your local Ascendant Lord
I bet we have a case of Jon Finkel sleeping with the girl, then never calling her again and she going bat #%^% crazy and writing this article case closed.
First PTQ top 8 6/13/09(1st) Second PTQ top 8 10/7/09(5th) Second at national Qualifier 5/15/10
Third PTQ top 8 2/12/11 (2nd)
Second at Alberta 2011's
Fourth PTQ top 8 3/17/12(8th)
GP Vancouver 2012 (18th)
first, if you're not playing it again would you mind sharing your list? what were your strongest and weakest choices?
and secondly, i'm curious about this 'beast deck'. what did it look like?
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1.) Anyone who thinks cancel is viable should be shot. in the face. with a hammer.
2.) You misunderstand, what I was suggesting was the total exclusion of Spellstutter Sprite, because it just isnt that good anymore.
3.) Understand, Dredge is not really a Magic: The Gathering deck. When a card is playable in it, it doesn't mean it's a tournament playable card. It means it's playable in whatever crazy fantasy world that Dredge operates in.
why? did it place recently? can we get the new list that did well? (not a link please)
At the last two Extended Grand Prix (GP Hanover 2009 and GP Singapore 2009), which took place in the last month, Tezzerator placed 3 times in the 16 Top 8 slots of those 2 GP:
3 Tezzerator
3 Next Level Blue
3 Loam Rock
2 Elfball
2 Faeries
2 Zoo
1 Storm
The 3 Tezzerator decklists (note that Liang Chen and Tzu Ching Kuo's decklists were nearly identical, differing only slightly in their manabases, and that Tezzerator-inventor Oberg placed again w/ a Tezzerator list, albeit one modified from his original Tezzerator list at PT Berlin) were:
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No matter how you look at it, Liang Chen and Tzu Ching Kuo's lists are stronger than the Hanover version.
How so? I'm not saying that you're wrong, but you can't just make a blanket statement like that and treat it as fact without an explanation of your reasoning.
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- Chuck Norris counted to infinity twice—because he was trying to count how much damage Jon Finkel deals in an average game.
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
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- Chuck Norris counted to infinity twice—because he was trying to count how much damage Jon Finkel deals in an average game.
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
Yeah, so this deck, or this version, is better than Tron, in my opinion. As to next season, it loses stifle and riptide lab, that's about it.
I know its number 1 enemy is Bant aggro. Any thoughts on that match-up?
I play Bant in EXT and you almost cannot win without Bant Charm. Unless I draw insanely well and you don't. You play a shackles and it's really hard for Bant to recover from that, if you have a EE to back it up, it's game over for Bant.
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Yes I really like EDH
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Round 1, I play a 1900+ ranked player (who really has my number). He is playing Tron and beats me 2-0 as I proceed to draw pretty poorly. Game 2 was a little more fun when I played Blood Moon, but he soon cast Triskelion and Sundering Titans.
Round 2, I play Affinity. He overextends and I do Engineered Explosives. Game 2, an Ancient Grudge and him drawing too many lands wins it for me, 2-0.
Round 3, I play Elves. I win after 2nd turn Chalice of the Void both games. This gave me time to use Vedalken Shackles. 2-0.
Round 4, I play against Faeries. The game 1 drags on and on as I Chalice for 2. I don't know what he has and am reduced to killing Sower of Temptations with a Pyrite Spellbomb recurring w/ Academy Ruins. I mess up and don't Pyrite Spellbomb him enough and we run out of time w/ him at 8 life. This was really my mistake but I didn't look at the time. I realized that I had control of the game and didn't want to take any chances. This was a huge mistake, as he went in on Tiebreakers. I would have played the Top 4 vs. Dredge.
What can we do against Tron?
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)The deck is more or less strictly inferior to Faeries in the current metagame.
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EDIT: Tezz won a Euro PTQ over the weekend as well. The T8 was Tezz, Hulk, Swans, Dredge, and Faeries x4. Tezz avoided Faeries completely in the T8.
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As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
it could work without the sac lands however as you stated it does hinder your explosives. which could be a problem. also against affinaty im not entirly sure but i think the deck should run more ensnaring bridge in general which would also give a better affinaty match in my opinion.
Congratulations you figured out why we're playing Blood Moon. Good work.
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As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
2) Blood moon is good...if you know youre going to have to end up playing one...just search for basic land instead of dual lands...or just the one steam vents. But in my build I do run 1x great furnace.
I'm also running 1x sunbeam spellbomb, even if they do play vortex either I bounce it with Vensar or with a command...even than its not that hard...but I love this deck. I played Fae for 2 months and just didn't get the feel for it.
But I love Tezz so Im sticking with him
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why? did it place recently? can we get the new list that did well? (not a link please)
First PTQ top 8 6/13/09(1st)
Second PTQ top 8 10/7/09(5th)
Second at national Qualifier 5/15/10
Third PTQ top 8 2/12/11 (2nd)
Second at Alberta 2011's
Fourth PTQ top 8 3/17/12(8th)
GP Vancouver 2012 (18th)
first, if you're not playing it again would you mind sharing your list? what were your strongest and weakest choices?
and secondly, i'm curious about this 'beast deck'. what did it look like?
At the last two Extended Grand Prix (GP Hanover 2009 and GP Singapore 2009), which took place in the last month, Tezzerator placed 3 times in the 16 Top 8 slots of those 2 GP:
3 Tezzerator
3 Next Level Blue
3 Loam Rock
2 Elfball
2 Faeries
2 Zoo
1 Storm
The 3 Tezzerator decklists (note that Liang Chen and Tzu Ching Kuo's decklists were nearly identical, differing only slightly in their manabases, and that Tezzerator-inventor Oberg placed again w/ a Tezzerator list, albeit one modified from his original Tezzerator list at PT Berlin) were:
//2009 Grand Prix Hanover - Top 8
//Main deck: 60 cards
2 Academy Ruins
1 Breeding Pool
4 Flooded Strand
1 Great Furnace
4 Polluted Delta
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Seat of the Synod
5 Snow-Covered Island
2 Steam Vents
1 Tolaria West
4 Trinket Mage
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Chrome Mox
3 Condescend
3 Cryptic Command
3 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Pithing Needle
1 Pyrite Spellbomb
3 Spell Snare
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Vedalken Shackles
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Firespout
2 Future Sight
3 Stifle
2 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere
//Grand Prix: Singapore Top 8
//Main deck: 60 cards
2 Academy Ruins
1 Breeding Pool
4 Flooded Strand
1 Great Furnace
6 Island
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
3 Polluted Delta
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Seat of the Synod
2 Steam Vents
4 Trinket Mage
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Chrome Mox
2 Cryptic Command
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Firespout
1 Pithing Needle
3 Spell Snare
3 Stifle
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Vedalken Shackles
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Future Sight
2 Quagnoth
2 Sower of Temptation
2 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere
//Grand Prix: Singapore Top 8
//Main deck: 60 cards
2 Academy Ruins
1 Breeding Pool
3 Flooded Strand
1 Great Furnace
6 Island
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
4 Polluted Delta
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Seat of the Synod
2 Steam Vents
4 Trinket Mage
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Chrome Mox
2 Cryptic Command
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Firespout
1 Pithing Needle
3 Spell Snare
3 Stifle
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Vedalken Shackles
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Future Sight
2 Quagnoth
2 Sower of Temptation
2 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
How so? I'm not saying that you're wrong, but you can't just make a blanket statement like that and treat it as fact without an explanation of your reasoning.
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
//GP Kobe 2009 / Top 8
//Main deck: 61 cards
2 Academy Ruins
1 Breeding Pool
3 Flooded Strand
1 Great Furnace
6 Island
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
4 Polluted Delta
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Seat of the Synod
2 Steam Vents
4 Trinket Mage
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Chrome Mox
2 Cryptic Command
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Firespout
1 Pithing Needle
1 Relic of Progenitus
3 Spell Snare
3 Stifle
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Vedalken Shackles
2 Wildfire
3 Blood Moon
2 Krosan Grip
1 Pithing Needle
2 Quagnoth
3 Sower of Temptation
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
How is Bant our worst matchup?
Play around Bant Charm and win.
Play Ensnaring Bridge and Blood Moon.
You just need to Clique Bant Charm out of their hand.
I said,
Play around Bant Charm;
Land Bridge,
and win.
Game 2 should be fairly simple.
I play Bant in EXT and you almost cannot win without Bant Charm. Unless I draw insanely well and you don't. You play a shackles and it's really hard for Bant to recover from that, if you have a EE to back it up, it's game over for Bant.
Decks:
EDH:
B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B
G Verdeloth the Ancient G
R Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactition R
BUW Sharrum of the Hedgemon BUW
GUW Jenara GUW
BURGW Reaper King BURGW
Yes I really like EDH
Standard
BURGW FCC BURGW
BR Goblins BR
CotV at zero, right?