I cast lots of discard and removal, and extirpate whatever is left and drop threats.
Along the way I added red and put Akroma in. For some reason the song Hips don't lie come to mind... but nevermind that =P
I could'nt really think of a good name, but the fact that Akroma can morph so Akroma says hi, and "oh!" it happen to be ASH in acronym.. and since its B/R so there. =P I suck at naming...
Onto the deck,
- only 3 extirpates as opening ones are useless.
- bo0m/bust if i have a fetchland or if I know my opponent needs land
- pox helps in the LD strategy
- Delirium Skeins has been good so far
- Damnation to clean up if the discard and targeted removal has failed
- tops to play nice with confidant
- elephant hammers to regain life (usually get bitten by the confidant quite badly), trample is good
Ignore the sideboard for the moment.
I actually wanted to try out cranial extraction MD as well... but it was a little clunky and I was kinda happy with the deck at the moment... I also briefly messed with burning wish.... but felt it made the deck a little slow...
i dont think you lose 8 life to a confidant revealed boom/bust. correct me if im wrong, but whenever a split card is referred to except on the stack, you may choose which card to treat it as..
ergo, you choose boom or bust, and lose 2 or 6 life respectively...
I wouldn't count on a creature wielding a Warhammer with the lack of them in the deck.
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i dont think you lose 8 life to a confidant revealed boom/bust. correct me if im wrong, but whenever a split card is referred to except on the stack, you may choose which card to treat it as..
ergo, you choose boom or bust, and lose 2 or 6 life respectively...
correct???
No. When you reveal a split card with Dark Confidant you will take life equal to both sides combined. Two plus six is eight, so you will take eight damage if you reveal a Boom//Bust with it.
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thats funny cause i remember reading an official rules article on mtg.com that stated when dealing with any split card, you choose 1 of the two cards it represents, and the ONLY exception is when it is a spell on the stack, where you announce what spell it is when you play it and treat it as such until it resolves.
this is why research/development can be imprinted onto isochron sceptor, then played as development for the 2,T: activation cost of sceptor. what your saying is that it cannot be imprinted, because R/D has a CMC of 7.
please explain in more detail why this is not the case when revealed from your library.
confidant dies to damnation too... i don't get why you don't run phyrexian arena instead. have you tried that one (if so, why is confidant better that arena in your deck ?)?
hmmm arena sounds good, I like the confidant because he can attack
actually in testing with boros, I actually learnt more from boros
I changed the land base to more fetches and added molten rain, for a while I had grim lavamancers as well, but they were'nt having a big effect enough for me, its better in boros.
But what really struck me was the LD, the Boom/bust + fetch together with molten rain/stone rain and simian spirit guide allows for some very fast LD.
Someone is trying a straight red LD in another thread, so mabbe mono red LD might be viable =D
Other things:
- Delirium Skein is bad against instant burn =(
- Loxodon warhammers were too slow - beside with the vamp links they act as removal *** life gain
- Extirpate is surprisingly good, if you know what hurts you and what hurts them. Generally I go for the duals but not the fetchlands
- Akroma was a little disappointing, loss of vigilance and haste are pretty big, though she is a very fast clock with firebreathing. If the morph was 4 or 5, she would have been much better... morph 6 is pretty hopeless.
@Leshurgo
thats funny cause i remember reading an official rules article on mtg.com that stated when dealing with any split card, you choose 1 of the two cards it represents, and the ONLY exception is when it is a spell on the stack, where you announce what spell it is when you play it and treat it as such until it resolves.
this is why research/development can be imprinted onto isochron sceptor, then played as development for the 2,T: activation cost of sceptor. what your saying is that it cannot be imprinted, because R/D has a CMC of 7.
please explain in more detail why this is not the case when revealed from your library.
Reaaaallly off-topic but since you asked...
The game sees the Split card's Mana Cost as 2 or 6. If Dark Confidant is in play, the game asks "what is the CMC of the Card revealed with Dark Confidant?" it sees 2 + 6, '+' being a logic symbol for "or", which is then seen by the game as addition, due to the nature of the question asked by the game, thus resulting to 8.
On the other Hand, with Isochron Scepter, the game asks "is the CMC of the imprinted card on Isochron Scepter(Research // Development) less than or equal to 2?" the game is answered with the values True or False. In logic, this is represented as True + False, or 1 + 0, which adds up to be equal to 1, consequentially is the value for True.:)
arcane7828, seriously... Aren't you getting killing by your Confidant? I mean, the chances of getting both Confidant and Top on a hand is very slim especially since they're only 10% of the deck. Could you enlighten us as to what is the actual play by play? Very much appreciated in advance!
The game sees the Split card's Mana Cost as 2 or 6. If Dark Confidant is in play, the game asks "what is the CMC of the Card revealed with Dark Confidant?" it sees 2 + 6, '+' being a logic symbol for "or", which is then seen by the game as addition, due to the nature of the question asked by the game, thus resulting to 8.
On the other Hand, with Isochron Scepter, the game asks "is the CMC of the imprinted card on Isochron Scepter(Research // Development) less than or equal to 2?" the game is answered with the values True or False. In logic, this is represented as True + False, or 1 + 0, which adds up to be equal to 1, consequentially is the value for True.:)
arcane7828, seriously... Aren't you getting killing by your Confidant? I mean, the chances of getting both Confidant and Top on a hand is very slim especially since they're only 10% of the deck. Could you enlighten us as to what is the actual play by play? Very much appreciated in advance!
well its pretty torrid when I do not have the top out, but if I am getting pressured and I need outs, I just drop the confidant and pray, half the time I get lucky =P for instance if you have 2 2/2s staring down at you and you need a damnation ... hey you are gonna get hit for 4 anyways =P, but if you get lucky, well its damnation
The thing is you do not draw the confidant that early when it is 3 only, so the chances of getting a top as wekk is pretty alright, also the land and other low cc spells do constitude a rather substantial portion of the deck
I have however dropped the confidant to just 2... against boros, I find the decks very even (between discard removal and their burn and critters) but they have more reach, so I need some advantage. Phyrexian Arena are worth considering, but it is a strict one for one, with confidant, if a top is out, most times I get zero damage. But an early confidant is often zapped or too risky, so 2 might be better.
I have tried taking the confidants out, but it just gets into some kind of slugfest with the aggro, eventually running out of steam and getting killed by the last weenie alive or worse... darts! With the confidants I can outdraw with more gas.
Skullmead Cauldron is surprisingly good... if only it were 3cc instead of 4, it taps to give life so in a stalemate the incremental lifegain is pretty good, and if you need a quickie you can discard for three
I have also tried imp's mischief ... when its good its pretty impressive... in its bad moments... you kinda which you have something more proactive... I think it is just waiting for a deck to use it though
I cast lots of discard and removal, and extirpate whatever is left and drop threats.
Along the way I added red and put Akroma in. For some reason the song Hips don't lie come to mind... but nevermind that =P
I could'nt really think of a good name, but the fact that Akroma can morph so Akroma says hi, and "oh!" it happen to be ASH in acronym.. and since its B/R so there. =P I suck at naming...
Onto the deck,
- only 3 extirpates as opening ones are useless.
- bo0m/bust if i have a fetchland or if I know my opponent needs land
- pox helps in the LD strategy
- Delirium Skeins has been good so far
- Damnation to clean up if the discard and targeted removal has failed
- tops to play nice with confidant
- elephant hammers to regain life (usually get bitten by the confidant quite badly), trample is good
Ignore the sideboard for the moment.
I actually wanted to try out cranial extraction MD as well... but it was a little clunky and I was kinda happy with the deck at the moment... I also briefly messed with burning wish.... but felt it made the deck a little slow...
8 Swamp
7 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
// Creatures
2 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Dark Confidant
// Spells
3 Extirpate
4 Duress
3 Delirium Skeins
3 Strangling Soot
3 Boom/Bust
2 Smallpox
4 Damnation
2 Loxodon Warhammer
4 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Zombify
2 Char
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Helldozer
1 Dimir Machinations
2 Crime/Punishment
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i mean things like
skeins -3
boombust -8
damn -4
hammer -3
zombify -4
char -3
akroma -8
very very high casting cost. and very bad without a top in play.
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i dont think you lose 8 life to a confidant revealed boom/bust. correct me if im wrong, but whenever a split card is referred to except on the stack, you may choose which card to treat it as..
ergo, you choose boom or bust, and lose 2 or 6 life respectively...
correct???
I wouldn't count on a creature wielding a Warhammer with the lack of them in the deck.
No. When you reveal a split card with Dark Confidant you will take life equal to both sides combined. Two plus six is eight, so you will take eight damage if you reveal a Boom//Bust with it.
thats funny cause i remember reading an official rules article on mtg.com that stated when dealing with any split card, you choose 1 of the two cards it represents, and the ONLY exception is when it is a spell on the stack, where you announce what spell it is when you play it and treat it as such until it resolves.
this is why research/development can be imprinted onto isochron sceptor, then played as development for the 2,T: activation cost of sceptor. what your saying is that it cannot be imprinted, because R/D has a CMC of 7.
please explain in more detail why this is not the case when revealed from your library.
hmmm arena sounds good, I like the confidant because he can attack
not so much the lack of them , but keeping them around... lol
not really actually, it looks bad, but when you run them, the confidant either gives you a pretty quick advantage, or he dies to something =(
the answer for the confidant split and your life go boom can be found here.. I like the explanation by madwarper =)
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5 Swamp
4 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
4 Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Dark Confidant
2 Kokusho, the Evening Star
4 Extirpate
4 Duress
4 Boom/Bust
4 Damnation
4 Vampiric Link
2 Eradicate
3 Molten Rain
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Zombify
actually in testing with boros, I actually learnt more from boros
I changed the land base to more fetches and added molten rain, for a while I had grim lavamancers as well, but they were'nt having a big effect enough for me, its better in boros.
But what really struck me was the LD, the Boom/bust + fetch together with molten rain/stone rain and simian spirit guide allows for some very fast LD.
Someone is trying a straight red LD in another thread, so mabbe mono red LD might be viable =D
Other things:
- Delirium Skein is bad against instant burn =(
- Loxodon warhammers were too slow - beside with the vamp links they act as removal *** life gain
- Extirpate is surprisingly good, if you know what hurts you and what hurts them. Generally I go for the duals but not the fetchlands
- Akroma was a little disappointing, loss of vigilance and haste are pretty big, though she is a very fast clock with firebreathing. If the morph was 4 or 5, she would have been much better... morph 6 is pretty hopeless.
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Reaaaallly off-topic but since you asked...
The game sees the Split card's Mana Cost as 2 or 6. If Dark Confidant is in play, the game asks "what is the CMC of the Card revealed with Dark Confidant?" it sees 2 + 6, '+' being a logic symbol for "or", which is then seen by the game as addition, due to the nature of the question asked by the game, thus resulting to 8.
On the other Hand, with Isochron Scepter, the game asks "is the CMC of the imprinted card on Isochron Scepter(Research // Development) less than or equal to 2?" the game is answered with the values True or False. In logic, this is represented as True + False, or 1 + 0, which adds up to be equal to 1, consequentially is the value for True.:)
arcane7828, seriously... Aren't you getting killing by your Confidant? I mean, the chances of getting both Confidant and Top on a hand is very slim especially since they're only 10% of the deck. Could you enlighten us as to what is the actual play by play? Very much appreciated in advance!
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well its pretty torrid when I do not have the top out, but if I am getting pressured and I need outs, I just drop the confidant and pray, half the time I get lucky =P for instance if you have 2 2/2s staring down at you and you need a damnation ... hey you are gonna get hit for 4 anyways =P, but if you get lucky, well its damnation
The thing is you do not draw the confidant that early when it is 3 only, so the chances of getting a top as wekk is pretty alright, also the land and other low cc spells do constitude a rather substantial portion of the deck
I have however dropped the confidant to just 2... against boros, I find the decks very even (between discard removal and their burn and critters) but they have more reach, so I need some advantage. Phyrexian Arena are worth considering, but it is a strict one for one, with confidant, if a top is out, most times I get zero damage. But an early confidant is often zapped or too risky, so 2 might be better.
I have tried taking the confidants out, but it just gets into some kind of slugfest with the aggro, eventually running out of steam and getting killed by the last weenie alive or worse... darts! With the confidants I can outdraw with more gas.
Skullmead Cauldron is surprisingly good... if only it were 3cc instead of 4, it taps to give life so in a stalemate the incremental lifegain is pretty good, and if you need a quickie you can discard for three
The deck currently looks like this:
4 Swamp
4 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
4 Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Dark Confidant
2 Kokusho, the Evening Star
4 Extirpate
4 Duress
4 Boom/Bust
4 Damnation
4 Vampiric Link
3 Eradicate
3 Molten Rain
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Zombify
1 Skullmead Cauldron
I have also tried imp's mischief ... when its good its pretty impressive... in its bad moments... you kinda which you have something more proactive... I think it is just waiting for a deck to use it though
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