I figured since there are are Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Gary Johnson threads, I felt there being no harm in making a thread for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party, especially since she's been gaining attention for her attempts to scoop up #BernieOrBust.
She also received the official Green Party nomination yesterday.
She's anti vaccination and pro homeopathy, apparently.
EDIT: She's not hugely anti-vax, but she's been called out for dog-whistle stuff before.
Jill Stein has major issues, and that's near the top of the list. Personally, I'm not too keen to support her because allegedly, she's anti-vaxx as a means to pander to a voter base, which to me is worse. If this is true, she's compromising her belief system as a means to keep with her niche base. So then I have to ask, if she's willing to compromise herself for people that deny science, why should I trust her to not compromise herself for people that deny science in Washington DC?
For the record, to everyone, I am not making this thread as Jill Stein or Green Party supporter. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter that has chosen for the time being to vote for Hillary Clinton. However, in fairness to the four major (well, four the general public knows by name) candidates, I figured that there's no harm in discussing Jill Stein, especially since she's gained attention.
She ranks in the top two as far as potential candidates go, but that means little. I'll probably just wait for things to play out and see what happens before I decide who I'm voting for. Kind of have to see how the state is voting too.
I will say her push to get BernieOrBust people seems to be working, and definitely shows there is a lot of support for non-traditional options.
She's anti vaccination and pro homeopathy, apparently.
EDIT: She's not hugely anti-vax, but she's been called out for dog-whistle stuff before.
Big downside. I don't much about her, but it will pretty hard to overcome the downside of supporting ineffective, and therefore life destroying, medicine. This is literally a matter of life and death.
Voting for Jill Stein is like voting for the crazy lady at your homeowners' association who won't shut up about how the chemtrails are poisoning her children. She has the same amount of actual political experience, and believes in the same amount of pseudoscience idiocy. She's a complete joke.
Jill Stein, as far as I can tell is not actually an anti-vaxxer; and she doesn't care about chem trails. She did, unfortunately, say something that sounded like it could be a dog whistle. The actual text was that she believed our regulatory committees needed to be transparent and gain the trust of the people; and I think that's fair, but I think it also implied that they shouldn't have the trust of the people, and she was so vague that I can't say what grounds she thought she was standing on.
That said; if you look at the green platform (which I did), it's on the whole not bad. It's more in line with my vision of what america should be than maybe any other party; and I'll have to may more attention to them in local elections.
They're focused pretty strongly on environmental issues, and as much as that should make them well grounded in science; the reality is that there's a long history of pseudo science and panic in that area of concern. That doesn't apply to wanting green energy or to get ourselves off of oil; however; which is the main part of the platform. That and ending the military industrial complex while making sure that the government provides a fair and level playing field. They also want to create public options for banking, so that you can get a decent interest rate on your savings and put your money in a place that isn't designed to profit off of you.
So, slightly left of the Democratic party and on the whole less governmental experience, but not the crazy people that people in this thread are making them out to be. There's no voting for Jill in this election though. Any sort of protest vote or voting 3rd party is simply too dangerous, imo, while Trump sits on the ballot. If the GOP were acting in a sane and rational manner my vote would be open for this party though; or if the GOP died off completely I could see myself switching to supporting this party more often.
No, I don't think she believes in chemtrails, but she does believe in similarly absurd medical conspiracies. She thinks it's dangerous to be exposing "our kids' brains" to wifi signals. She thinks we need a moratorium on GMOs. Her answers on vaccines and homeopathy are at best evasive dog whistles.
She's anti vaccination and pro homeopathy, apparently.
EDIT: She's not hugely anti-vax, but she's been called out for dog-whistle stuff before.
Jill Stein has major issues, and that's near the top of the list. Personally, I'm not too keen to support her because allegedly, she's anti-vaxx as a means to pander to a voter base, which to me is worse. If this is true, she's compromising her belief system as a means to keep with her niche base. So then I have to ask, if she's willing to compromise herself for people that deny science, why should I trust her to not compromise herself for people that deny science in Washington DC?
Edit: One thing to add is everyone compromises to get elected, but I've drawn the line with it comes to science with decades of research and battle scars because failure to address it could mean death. *See also view on Climate Change Catacylsm*
No, I don't think she believes in chemtrails, but she does believe in similarly absurd medical conspiracies. She thinks it's dangerous to be exposing "our kids' brains" to wifi signals. She thinks we need a moratorium on GMOs. Her answers on vaccines and homeopathy are at best evasive dog whistles.
The WHO has said that microwave radiation (emitted by cell phones/wi-fi hot spots/most electronics) is a carcinogen. There's apparently studies to back it up now; but, the level of damage is low enough that if you get a break from it at night, your body can heal; it's more that constant exposure with no break doesn't give your body the time it needs to repair itself. So, even that isn't a step too far.
GMOs pose risks for a reason that has very little to do with their genetic alterations. Which is that they tend to be invasive and create a mono-culture. And mono-cultures make our food stores susceptible to plague, pests and all sorts of other issues. I'm not against GMOs; but there are risks associated with them. So far, no risks have been linked to human health; but, there's certainly a risk to biodiversity and the stability that it creates by creating "fire-walls" between fields.
I haven't seen the material she's relying on or her quotes to know if she's in line with the scientific arguments on both points.
The dog whistling; if she's doing that intentionally is wrong and needs to stop for her to be taken seriously; and I think you do have an argument for that existing.
Give me a break. The WHO absolutely does not say that Wifi is dangerous, and they especially don't say it poses a cancer risk. Here's what their fact sheet says:
Cancer: Media or anecdotal reports of cancer clusters around mobile phone base stations have heightened public concern. It should be noted that geographically, cancers are unevenly distributed among any population. Given the widespread presence of base stations in the environment, it is expected that possible cancer clusters will occur near base stations merely by chance. Moreover, the reported cancers in these clusters are often a collection of different types of cancer with no common characteristics and hence unlikely to have a common cause.
Scientific evidence on the distribution of cancer in the population can be obtained through carefully planned and executed epidemiological studies. Over the past 15 years, studies examining a potential relationship between RF transmitters and cancer have been published. These studies have not provided evidence that RF exposure from the transmitters increases the risk of cancer. Likewise, long-term animal studies have not established an increased risk of cancer from exposure to RF fields, even at levels that are much higher than produced by base stations and wireless networks.
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Conclusions
Considering the very low exposure levels and research results collected to date, there is no convincing scientific evidence that the weak RF signals from base stations and wireless networks cause adverse health effects.
Jill Stein, as far as I can tell is not actually an anti-vaxxer; and she doesn't care about chem trails. She did, unfortunately, say something that sounded like it could be a dog whistle. The actual text was that she believed our regulatory committees needed to be transparent and gain the trust of the people; and I think that's fair, but I think it also implied that they shouldn't have the trust of the people, and she was so vague that I can't say what grounds she thought she was standing on.
That said; if you look at the green platform (which I did), it's on the whole not bad. It's more in line with my vision of what america should be than maybe any other party; and I'll have to pay more attention to them in local elections.
They're focused pretty strongly on environmental issues, and as much as that should make them well grounded in science; the reality is that there's a long history of pseudo science and panic in that area of concern. That doesn't apply to wanting green energy or to get ourselves off of oil; however; which is the main part of the platform. That and ending the military industrial complex while making sure that the government provides a fair and level playing field. They also want to create public options for banking, so that you can get a decent interest rate on your savings and put your money in a place that isn't designed to profit off of you.
So, slightly left of the Democratic party and on the whole less governmental experience, but not the crazy people that people in this thread are making them out to be. There's no voting for Jill in this election though. Any sort of protest vote or voting 3rd party is simply too dangerous, imo, while Trump sits on the ballot. If the GOP were acting in a sane and rational manner my vote would be open for this party though; or if the GOP died off completely I could see myself switching to supporting this party more often.
If the Greens (and I guess the Libertarians as well) would spend some time and effort to win small, local elections to prove that they can actually govern and put their ideas into practice, they would do a lot better. Instead, they waste time and money every four years trying to make waves in presidential races they have no chance of winning. The fact is that even if by some miracle they won the presidency, they won't be able to do anything since they have no support in Congress.
The biodiversity point stands though. There is a risk to having homogeneous plantlife.
But that's completely irrelevant to Stein's anti-science opposition to GMOs. She wants a moratorium "until they're proven safe" - and she isn't talking about the risks of monocultures or patent issues. In a fund-raising email, Stein said:
In addition to climate change and creating an economy that works for the 99%, one of the most important is putting a moratorium on GMO foods and pesticides. Why? Because evidence is now showing that once these foods reach our digestive tract, they can affect our very DNA.
The Green Party itself has a reasonable platform that I would support. Stein herself isn't all that impressive and says some dumb things that panders a little hard to the folks that Whole Foods panders to as well, i.e., folks who want to be healthy but talk about crystals. I'm fine with folks being dumb, though, being dumb and opposing GMOs in a way that halts monocropping and global strong-arming of local economies to embrace them is fine by me if it comes off the support of worried moms. We entered a war for less than that, at least ending the commodification of genetic plant material is a worthwhile endeavor based on false facts. Also y'all being against homeopathy obviously don't know what it means, unless you're totally convinced that every ailment or pain whatsoever ought to be cured with a pill. Homeopathy doesn't equal being anti-vax and often just points to corporate interests in and the impersonal nature of our medical system that could use more focused care and less prescriptions.
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The Green Party itself has a reasonable platform that I would support. Stein herself isn't all that impressive and says some dumb things that panders a little hard to the folks that Whole Foods panders to as well, i.e., folks who want to be healthy but talk about crystals. I'm fine with folks being dumb, though, being dumb and opposing GMOs in a way that halts monocropping and global strong-arming of local economies to embrace them is fine by me if it comes off the support of worried moms. We entered a war for less than that, at least ending the commodification of genetic plant material is a worthwhile endeavor based on false facts. Also y'all being against homeopathy obviously don't know what it means, unless you're totally convinced that every ailment or pain whatsoever ought to be cured with a pill
Every ailment or pain ought to, and can only, be cured with something that can actually cure it. Homeopathy cures nothing, and is therefore a waste of time and money. Pills aren't the only form of treatment, but that does not in any way make homeopathy a viable option for the same reason it doesn't make shouting or looking at a wall a viable option. Just as it would be directly against the public interest to advocate sing-a-long as a treatment, so with homeopathy. If Jill Stein does not believe even personally believe that it works, but supports it to appeal to her voterbase, then she is directly knowingly going against her duty as a politician for votes. That is nigh unforgivable.
Also y'all being against homeopathy obviously don't know what it means, unless you're totally convinced that every ailment or pain whatsoever ought to be cured with a pill. Homeopathy doesn't equal being anti-vax and often just points to corporate interests in and the impersonal nature of our medical system that could use more focused care and less prescriptions.
Homeopathy is the belief that ailments can be cured by taking a small amount of a plant or chemical and repeatedly diluting it in water, often by factors of a trillion or more, to the point where statistically not even a single molecule of the original plant or chemical is likely to remain. Homeopaths believe that the water molecules will form "water memories" of the now-gone substances, which will magically grant the preparation curative properties.
Homeopathy is not a catch-all term for holistic medicine. It's a very specific system of very obviously fraudulent methods. I get the sense from your post here that you don't actually have a clue what it means. I suggest reading the Wikipedia page.
If homeopathy was legit all the water in the world would taste really bad because of the "water memories" of 180 million years of dinosaur piss. Come on son.
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Also y'all being against homeopathy obviously don't know what it means, unless you're totally convinced that every ailment or pain whatsoever ought to be cured with a pill. Homeopathy doesn't equal being anti-vax and often just points to corporate interests in and the impersonal nature of our medical system that could use more focused care and less prescriptions.
Homeopathy is the belief that ailments can be cured by taking a small amount of a plant or chemical and repeatedly diluting it in water, often by factors of a trillion or more, to the point where statistically not even a single molecule of the original plant or chemical is likely to remain. Homeopaths believe that the water molecules will form "water memories" of the now-gone substances, which will magically grant the preparation curative properties.
Homeopathy is not a catch-all term for holistic medicine. It's a very specific system of very obviously fraudulent methods. I get the sense from your post here that you don't actually have a clue what it means. I suggest reading the Wikipedia page.
Not to mention that is also based on the idea that ANY symptoms observed within an arbitrary period of completely uncontrolled activity are the result of the substance that has been diluted AND therefore this substance will cure any disease that produces these symptoms. A series of logical steps so ludicrous, no sane, honest and unbiased individual could possibly support. Homeopathy thrives off people being convinced of it's efficacy from anecdotal experience and then learning about the 'theory' behind it, now so biased they can't see the obvious wholes in the logic just as they didn't see the obvious whole in the logic that just because a few people took a 'treatment' and then got better, the 'treatment' can be said to have made them better and not their immune system fought it off or any number of things they did (including possibly take actual medicine- they don't check for this) caused their recovery. Something as simple as onion is now attributed the ability to cure literally dozens of distinct symptoms.
Dozens of experiments have been conducted using actual scientific rigour and they have not only shown no evidence for the efficacy of homeopathy, but have positively shown pretty conclusively that homeopathy doesn't work.
So yeah, there's no real argument to be had that supporting homeopathy is not a dumb idea.
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And while where at it, anti-vax arguments are based on debunked studies and wild extrapolations from extremely isolated cases where a bad reaction actually did happen. Sure, vaccines can cause problems. But so can cars. In fact, cars kill a lot more people, and contribute to serious environment damage. Does that mean that we should support car manufacture? No, because for one there are things we can do improve these issues (safety systems, car share services, electric cars and fully sustainable fuel) but also because cars provide such a huge advantage to the quality of life in society that they are worth such a cost. The same applies to vaccines- there are things we can do to reduce the downsides, and the downsides aren't at all high enough that they negate the advantages.
As with homeopathy, anti-vax support is dangerous and dumb.
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But on a positive note, while these positions are nigh unforgivable in my eyes, the rest of the green platform is pretty good, which unsurprising to me given the shared name with other country's green parties who have similar good policies. I expect that if this party becomes bigger in the future they will drop all connections to anti-vax and homeopathy support. At that point, I would favor them similarly to the democratic party, ahead if the democratic candidate is someone like Clinton rather than like Sanders or Obama. This could happen during this election cycle, not that it matters much of anything because I'm not voting in this election or any future ones, because there other elections to worry about that I am actually allowed to participate in .
Then she's a bad candidate and I won't vote for her; If she can't get these arguments right, I'm not interested. I don't byy organic, and I won't buy this either. But, that doesn't change that the green platform is on the whole good.
"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Then she's a bad candidate and I won't vote for her; If she can't get these arguments right, I'm not interested. I don't byy organic, and I won't buy this either. But, that doesn't change that the green platform is on the whole good.
"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
Ummmm... What? A reinvestigation of something that happened five years ago? Why? What could be found of real worth? Please don't tell me this trying to appeal to conspiracy nuts.
"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
Isn't this a reference to an investigation into the Saudi role in 9/11?
Or how much the CIA knew, but neglected to tell the FBI. Who then neglected to tell the local law enforcement what they did know.
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"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
This is probably a product of their equally loony toons 2008 nominee Cynthia "Bush did 9/11" McKinney.
The Green Party itself has a reasonable platform that I would support. Stein herself isn't all that impressive and says some dumb things that panders a little hard to the folks that Whole Foods panders to as well, i.e., folks who want to be healthy but talk about crystals. I'm fine with folks being dumb, though, being dumb and opposing GMOs in a way that halts monocropping and global strong-arming of local economies to embrace them is fine by me if it comes off the support of worried moms. We entered a war for less than that, at least ending the commodification of genetic plant material is a worthwhile endeavor based on false facts. Also y'all being against homeopathy obviously don't know what it means, unless you're totally convinced that every ailment or pain whatsoever ought to be cured with a pill. Homeopathy doesn't equal being anti-vax and often just points to corporate interests in and the impersonal nature of our medical system that could use more focused care and less prescriptions.
Homeopathy; as defined; is the act of taking extremely small negligent amounts of a natural poison; adding it into a solution and intaking it. That doesn't work. There's no science to prove it works. And there's absolutely no medical reason to do something like that. Either the elements aren't present so there's no affect; or, they are and you poison yourself.
I wouldn't confuse the side effects and efficacy of prescription drugs and alternative treatments with an argument in favor of pseudo science.
Did you by any chance mean to talk about alternative medicine? Or did you actually mean homeopathy? Homeopathy is solidly in crystal-land.
If you meant medicine should just be practiced differently; I'd recommend reading some Atul Gwande. I've heard the man speak, and I've read portions of his books. His works feature an excellent scientific approach to medicine and the social aspect that often gets lost. What's more, he spends a lot of his time actually testing out his ideas. He's a practitioner of the highest degree; not just a theoretician.
I feel like I've heard homeopathy referred to completely different things than what y'all are pointing to, but I'm willing to be wrong. I'll accept alternative medicine as the catch all for what I was referring to.
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I feel like I've heard homeopathy referred to completely different things than what y'all are pointing to, but I'm willing to be wrong. I'll accept alternative medicine as the catch all for what I was referring to.
Alternative medicine, for all intents and purposes, is a catch-all phrase used for medical practices that either haven't been studied extensively under the medical version of the Scientific Method or has been without success.
"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
Isn't this a reference to an investigation into the Saudi role in 9/11?
I don't think so. I find "including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests," very telling.
"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
Isn't this a reference to an investigation into the Saudi role in 9/11?
I don't think so. I find "including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests," very telling.
I think it's what Tiax wrote.
I just read this as an investigation of Cheney and Haliburton. Among other private corporations that used the rebuilding funds as an ATM only to flee the country and not complete any work based off of clauses that freed them from any obligation in "combat situations."
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She also received the official Green Party nomination yesterday.
Thoughts?
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EDIT: She's not hugely anti-vax, but she's been called out for dog-whistle stuff before.
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For the record, to everyone, I am not making this thread as Jill Stein or Green Party supporter. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter that has chosen for the time being to vote for Hillary Clinton. However, in fairness to the four major (well, four the general public knows by name) candidates, I figured that there's no harm in discussing Jill Stein, especially since she's gained attention.
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I will say her push to get BernieOrBust people seems to be working, and definitely shows there is a lot of support for non-traditional options.
Big downside. I don't much about her, but it will pretty hard to overcome the downside of supporting ineffective, and therefore life destroying, medicine. This is literally a matter of life and death.
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No, I don't think she believes in chemtrails, but she does believe in similarly absurd medical conspiracies. She thinks it's dangerous to be exposing "our kids' brains" to wifi signals. She thinks we need a moratorium on GMOs. Her answers on vaccines and homeopathy are at best evasive dog whistles.
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Give me a break. The WHO absolutely does not say that Wifi is dangerous, and they especially don't say it poses a cancer risk. Here's what their fact sheet says:
You're just as bad as she is.
If the Greens (and I guess the Libertarians as well) would spend some time and effort to win small, local elections to prove that they can actually govern and put their ideas into practice, they would do a lot better. Instead, they waste time and money every four years trying to make waves in presidential races they have no chance of winning. The fact is that even if by some miracle they won the presidency, they won't be able to do anything since they have no support in Congress.
But that's completely irrelevant to Stein's anti-science opposition to GMOs. She wants a moratorium "until they're proven safe" - and she isn't talking about the risks of monocultures or patent issues. In a fund-raising email, Stein said:
Every ailment or pain ought to, and can only, be cured with something that can actually cure it. Homeopathy cures nothing, and is therefore a waste of time and money. Pills aren't the only form of treatment, but that does not in any way make homeopathy a viable option for the same reason it doesn't make shouting or looking at a wall a viable option. Just as it would be directly against the public interest to advocate sing-a-long as a treatment, so with homeopathy. If Jill Stein does not believe even personally believe that it works, but supports it to appeal to her voterbase, then she is directly knowingly going against her duty as a politician for votes. That is nigh unforgivable.
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Homeopathy is the belief that ailments can be cured by taking a small amount of a plant or chemical and repeatedly diluting it in water, often by factors of a trillion or more, to the point where statistically not even a single molecule of the original plant or chemical is likely to remain. Homeopaths believe that the water molecules will form "water memories" of the now-gone substances, which will magically grant the preparation curative properties.
Homeopathy is not a catch-all term for holistic medicine. It's a very specific system of very obviously fraudulent methods. I get the sense from your post here that you don't actually have a clue what it means. I suggest reading the Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
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Not to mention that is also based on the idea that ANY symptoms observed within an arbitrary period of completely uncontrolled activity are the result of the substance that has been diluted AND therefore this substance will cure any disease that produces these symptoms. A series of logical steps so ludicrous, no sane, honest and unbiased individual could possibly support. Homeopathy thrives off people being convinced of it's efficacy from anecdotal experience and then learning about the 'theory' behind it, now so biased they can't see the obvious wholes in the logic just as they didn't see the obvious whole in the logic that just because a few people took a 'treatment' and then got better, the 'treatment' can be said to have made them better and not their immune system fought it off or any number of things they did (including possibly take actual medicine- they don't check for this) caused their recovery. Something as simple as onion is now attributed the ability to cure literally dozens of distinct symptoms.
Dozens of experiments have been conducted using actual scientific rigour and they have not only shown no evidence for the efficacy of homeopathy, but have positively shown pretty conclusively that homeopathy doesn't work.
So yeah, there's no real argument to be had that supporting homeopathy is not a dumb idea.
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And while where at it, anti-vax arguments are based on debunked studies and wild extrapolations from extremely isolated cases where a bad reaction actually did happen. Sure, vaccines can cause problems. But so can cars. In fact, cars kill a lot more people, and contribute to serious environment damage. Does that mean that we should support car manufacture? No, because for one there are things we can do improve these issues (safety systems, car share services, electric cars and fully sustainable fuel) but also because cars provide such a huge advantage to the quality of life in society that they are worth such a cost. The same applies to vaccines- there are things we can do to reduce the downsides, and the downsides aren't at all high enough that they negate the advantages.
As with homeopathy, anti-vax support is dangerous and dumb.
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But on a positive note, while these positions are nigh unforgivable in my eyes, the rest of the green platform is pretty good, which unsurprising to me given the shared name with other country's green parties who have similar good policies. I expect that if this party becomes bigger in the future they will drop all connections to anti-vax and homeopathy support. At that point, I would favor them similarly to the democratic party, ahead if the democratic candidate is someone like Clinton rather than like Sanders or Obama. This could happen during this election cycle, not that it matters much of anything because I'm not voting in this election or any future ones, because there other elections to worry about that I am actually allowed to participate in
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"The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, impartial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."
Haven't got a clue what to make of that.
Ummmm... What? A reinvestigation of something that happened five years ago? Why? What could be found of real worth? Please don't tell me this trying to appeal to conspiracy nuts.
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Or how much the CIA knew, but neglected to tell the FBI. Who then neglected to tell the local law enforcement what they did know.
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This is probably a product of their equally loony toons 2008 nominee Cynthia "Bush did 9/11" McKinney.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
Alternative medicine, for all intents and purposes, is a catch-all phrase used for medical practices that either haven't been studied extensively under the medical version of the Scientific Method or has been without success.
I don't think so. I find "including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests," very telling.
I think it's what Tiax wrote.