Since both your educational and professional background tend to play a major influence in your various beliefs, I think this would be a grand topic to start in an attempt to figure out more of why some people here think the way they do.
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B.A in history at a state university, with an emphasis on revolutionary/late colonial U.S. history.
Current profession is in the field of electrical engineering. Attempted to go to law school but failure to achieve stellar LSAT scores killed that ambition.
I have a B.A. in history with a minor in secondary education from a private university. I'm a writer/editor/tutor and I do some work in the field of search engine optimization as well.
I have a Ph. D. and postdoctoral studies in mathematics. I'm an associate professor at a university that I'd ordinarily be happy to name but unfortunately, the campus is controlled by SJWs who could easily get me fired from my job for expressing positions that deviate from their orthodoxy. My research interests are mathematical logic, category theory, complexity theory, and related areas of discrete mathematics and computer science.
I have a Bachelor's, Masters and PhD in artificial intelligence, formal methods in software engineering, and machine learning respectively. I'm a scientist, working in R&D in the dairy industry.
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Since both your educational and professional background tend to play a major influence in your various beliefs, I think this would be a grand topic to start in an attempt to figure out more of why some people here think the way they do.
(Mods- let me know if this is an acceptable topic- I read through the rules and don't think there's anything that this violates)
I'll start-
B.A in history at a state university, with an emphasis on revolutionary/late colonial U.S. history.
Current profession is in the field of electrical engineering. Attempted to go to law school but failure to achieve stellar LSAT scores killed that ambition.
You'll find that geography and demographics plays a larger role, not just educational level on the big screen. Geography probably does the most for political beliefs in particular.
Education level:
My base education is meaningless because I am an autodidact, a life long autodidact. I encourage you too to become an autodidact. Formal education opens the door, but as with all doors they lead to other worlds that you must explore and embrace on your own.
Work:
I go where I please and I please where I go. It doesn't matter if I'm Batman, because I find such questions meaningless.
A larger portion on thought:
My personal beliefs are in a state of refinement which requires consistent work to improve relative to the difficulties face when approaching a new field by which to gain a level of expertise or at least literacy. Within this "constant striving" one must provide a place for material "works" and within those works acts as an edifice to the entire process of refinement. Once refinement occurs you are then able to move to the next level of your own self education and communicate with more people. It is something that requires a level of different thinking, sometimes to return to the root and then begin to look at things not simply rather completely. Whether that thing upon which one looks is complex or simple. Simplicity in and of itself is complexity refined and distilled, however that is not always necessary to determine an opinion.
Emotions and rationality are entwined. Passing interests and certain threats and problems require a level of understanding to be broached and managed, within and with regard to everything that is upon this world we must come to the conclusion that this world is never to be seen nor within and without. If life is a journey, then it is a journey I full embrace as a living being.
I seek to become more than I am, to transcend ignorance. To become reforged in greater challenge. To temper the mind and the soul through learning and experience. This be from the simple pleasure of reading and writing to the love of another person. Humanity is best when you embrace that humanity to its largest extent
So basically we're all just computer guys with graduate degrees. Makes sense.
Some people are and probably are proud of what they have achieved, I do not see others coming forward to say they're a McDonalds employee or some such. It should come without saying in a public display.
I thought it would be rude to straight-out ask "How much money do you make" or generally ask questions that can be considered probing.
This seemed the best alternative.
No, you missed the question: to what extent would this actually make a difference in our personal beliefs?
Probably some naive assertions that are inherently psychological and probably better pointing the OP to reading on belief formation that is better covered in political science surveys, psychological tests, and so on that attempt but not fully explain origins for beliefs. Probably looking at this as some sort of "oh I know X poster is Y in IRL therefore this substantiate what I read in Z." So my assumption probably has done some reading in that area.
I'll still assert for the OP, probably better to read within the context of the originators of certain thoughts and the implementation of specific debaters attempting to implement that thinking. It's a bit easier to study it as an intellectual history and philosophy than a psychological phenomenon. But otherwise, I agree Highroller it seems like a dumb question inherently.
Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
The more information you give out, the more likely someone can find you. I say this only because you seem to be shill on people not finding out who you are. I'm just saying in case you want it slightly to be more vague while still getting your point across about your status without relegating your own position to protect you job.
Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
You're probably right, I will reduce the degree of specificity.
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I haven't got a clue as to "what extent" this would make,
I mean, you made a thread based entirely around the premise that one's major or profession would have an effect on one's personal beliefs. So you obviously must believe it has some effect.
That being said, your first question got me thinking and I believe you're right.
Believe I'm right as to what?
One question- Are you focusing on the "major" portion of the statement, or the entirety of it?
All of it. What effect would my major or what I do for a living have on my personal beliefs?
I mean, you made a thread based entirely around the premise that one's major or profession would have an effect on one's personal beliefs. So you obviously must believe it has some effect.
Right. I believe that one's choice of education/profession will have an influence on one's personal beliefs. Your education is a major part of how the world perceives you, and what you learn from your education is meant to help inform the way you see the world. Your profession also plays a major influence in how the world perceives you, and it's something you'll be spending a great deal of your time on. One way or another, I think all of these will have some impact on you.
It could very well be that whatever beliefs you had helped you choose that profession/education path. And your following that path will either reaffirm whatever belief you had previously or help you develop new ones.
But as to "what extent" all of this plays- I don't know. I did say a "major influence", but that's really just my gut feeling.
Right. I believe that one's choice of education/profession will have an influence on one's personal beliefs. Your education is a major part of how the world perceives you, and what you learn from your education is meant to help inform the way you see the world.
Is it? To what extent is someone going to trade school going to have their world view influenced?
See, that's the thing, yes, it's a major part of how the world judges you, but to what extent that is justified?
Your profession also plays a major influence in how the world perceives you, and it's something you'll be spending a great deal of your time on. One way or another, I think all of these will have some impact on you.
I think, especially in this economy, for most people, their job is what they do to make money.
Like, by your logic, if I switched jobs, my world view should change profoundly. But that's not a rational conclusion to make, is it?
But as to "what extent" all of this plays- I don't know. I did say a "major influence", but that's really just my gut feeling.
I'm calling this premise into question.
Obviously the education one receives - or doesn't receive, for that matter - is a factor in the shaping of one as a person. But I think you're placing far too much weight on a piece of paper. Hell, what one studied as a major has a questionable effect on one's career. To try to claim it's a major factor in determining one's personhood is absurd to me.
I've been a volunteer firefighter/emt for... well over a decade now? I worked for a private ambulance company for a couple years as well while I was in grad school.
I was also a professional graphic designer for a while, but mostly to pay for school because even in college I realized that was a dead end.
I have a Masters (MS not MPH, my focus was on pre-hospital healthcare systems) and I currently work in Public Health (although specifically in emergency operations). My educational background is in Political Science, EMS System Design and Healthcare Policy (Including Statistics, Ethics, Economics and Sociology as related to Healthcare).
Obviously the education one receives - or doesn't receive, for that matter - is a factor in the shaping of one as a person. But I think you're placing far too much weight on a piece of paper. Hell, what one studied as a major has a questionable effect on one's career. To try to claim it's a major factor in determining one's personhood is absurd to me.
It does matter in what you're exposed to, however.
Fire/EMS and Public Health are VERY opposite ends of the spectrum, policy wise. Fire/EMS is very conservative while Public Health is very liberal. Working private ambulance in a major city and transporting the sickest and poorest can really change your perspective, too. Learning how to critically analyze statistics and research also has a profound effect on what sources you view as reliable.
I'll say my worldview changed a lot by the end of undergrad and into grad school. I went from very conservative to an independent with a focus on efficacy over ideology. That's why I have weird views sometimes and come across as conservative or liberal depending on the topic, and depending on whether or not I'm correcting a liberal or conservative with facts. Strangely, partisans seem to think you're the opposite viewpoint just because you disagree with them.
I think in terms of my personhood - I'm someone who would be working to help others regardless and my personality hasn't really changed. HOW I think the best way to go about it is a matter of my experience.
Marrying a Hindu woman when you're an Irish-Italian that was raised Catholic but identify as agnostic atheist also presents... unique viewpoints.
Obviously the education one receives - or doesn't receive, for that matter - is a factor in the shaping of one as a person. But I think you're placing far too much weight on a piece of paper. Hell, what one studied as a major has a questionable effect on one's career. To try to claim it's a major factor in determining one's personhood is absurd to me.
There seems to be a severe misunderstanding going on here. I'm wasn't trying to say that your college degree, as in the physical diploma you received upon graduating, in math or biology or what have you have any determination in who you are as an individual. Rather, I am saying that your choice in choosing that major, the things you learned while taking that major, and the things you experience while working within whatever job you work at either influenced or will influence your various beliefs.
It's basically what Jay13x wrote- I'm interested in what you've been exposed to professionally and academically.
I've worked for a couple of months at a major clothes store in the past. I now deliberately make sure I return clothing to the best condition after I try them on, because I know how ******* tedious it can get when I fold and clean up the same clothes over and over.
Now, when I wrote I believe you're correct I meant that I believe I may have overstated the importance of these things in my mind.
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Exactly which I'm not telling as I'm pretty sure I've listed my university here before and I'd rather not get SWATed.
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Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
You're probably right, I will reduce the degree of specificity.
No probably about it. I've tracked people down to get divorce papers sent with no more than what kind of job they have, what region of the state they live in, and a willingness to pretend to be a manager for a Red Lobster. Then the Bounty Hunter we knew served the guy some divorce papers.
Fun day. Did it all on my phone from a coffee shop.
I'm kinda sad I haven't been active lately because if I'd read FD4's comment before you edit'd your original remark I'd have found you just because I like puzzles and, well, "ECP says what up brosef" is probably a best case scenario
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I graduated *** laude in Psychology, Business and Sales. I don't know if I want to claim that I'm necessarily an autodidact, per se, outside the notion that, of course, everyone is self taught to an extent, but I'm a published artist, I've run a political satire website (and just got tapped to be the EiC of a magazine that I get to create alongside some really interesting people) as well as actual electoral campaigns and the occasional bit of citizen lobbying at my state capitol. I've also been a teacher, military vet, all kinds of wonky stuff. Oh, and I'm reasonably well versed in a wide range of topics due, in part, to a particular member of this forum insisting I buy a bunch of books I otherwise wouldn't (thanks man
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I'll start-
B.A in history at a state university, with an emphasis on revolutionary/late colonial U.S. history.
Current profession is in the field of electrical engineering. Attempted to go to law school but failure to achieve stellar LSAT scores killed that ambition.
Which if thou dost not use for clearing away the clouds from thy mind
It will go and thou wilt go, never to return.
I thought it would be rude to straight-out ask "How much money do you make" or generally ask questions that can be considered probing.
This seemed the best alternative.
You'll find that geography and demographics plays a larger role, not just educational level on the big screen. Geography probably does the most for political beliefs in particular.
Education level:
Work:
A larger portion on thought:
Emotions and rationality are entwined. Passing interests and certain threats and problems require a level of understanding to be broached and managed, within and with regard to everything that is upon this world we must come to the conclusion that this world is never to be seen nor within and without. If life is a journey, then it is a journey I full embrace as a living being.
I seek to become more than I am, to transcend ignorance. To become reforged in greater challenge. To temper the mind and the soul through learning and experience. This be from the simple pleasure of reading and writing to the love of another person. Humanity is best when you embrace that humanity to its largest extent
Some people are and probably are proud of what they have achieved, I do not see others coming forward to say they're a McDonalds employee or some such. It should come without saying in a public display.
Probably some naive assertions that are inherently psychological and probably better pointing the OP to reading on belief formation that is better covered in political science surveys, psychological tests, and so on that attempt but not fully explain origins for beliefs. Probably looking at this as some sort of "oh I know X poster is Y in IRL therefore this substantiate what I read in Z." So my assumption probably has done some reading in that area.
I'll still assert for the OP, probably better to read within the context of the originators of certain thoughts and the implementation of specific debaters attempting to implement that thinking. It's a bit easier to study it as an intellectual history and philosophy than a psychological phenomenon. But otherwise, I agree Highroller it seems like a dumb question inherently.
Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
The more information you give out, the more likely someone can find you. I say this only because you seem to be shill on people not finding out who you are. I'm just saying in case you want it slightly to be more vague while still getting your point across about your status without relegating your own position to protect you job.
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You're probably right, I will reduce the degree of specificity.
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I haven't got a clue as to "what extent" this would make,
That being said, your first question got me thinking and I believe you're right.
One question- Are you focusing on the "major" portion of the statement, or the entirety of it?
In any case, this thread was an attempt to learn more about those who post on this subforum. I'd say it was successful, especially with Frostdragon4.
Believe I'm right as to what?
All of it. What effect would my major or what I do for a living have on my personal beliefs?
Right. I believe that one's choice of education/profession will have an influence on one's personal beliefs. Your education is a major part of how the world perceives you, and what you learn from your education is meant to help inform the way you see the world. Your profession also plays a major influence in how the world perceives you, and it's something you'll be spending a great deal of your time on. One way or another, I think all of these will have some impact on you.
It could very well be that whatever beliefs you had helped you choose that profession/education path. And your following that path will either reaffirm whatever belief you had previously or help you develop new ones.
But as to "what extent" all of this plays- I don't know. I did say a "major influence", but that's really just my gut feeling.
See, that's the thing, yes, it's a major part of how the world judges you, but to what extent that is justified?
I think, especially in this economy, for most people, their job is what they do to make money.
Like, by your logic, if I switched jobs, my world view should change profoundly. But that's not a rational conclusion to make, is it?
I'm calling this premise into question.
Obviously the education one receives - or doesn't receive, for that matter - is a factor in the shaping of one as a person. But I think you're placing far too much weight on a piece of paper. Hell, what one studied as a major has a questionable effect on one's career. To try to claim it's a major factor in determining one's personhood is absurd to me.
I was also a professional graphic designer for a while, but mostly to pay for school because even in college I realized that was a dead end.
I have a Masters (MS not MPH, my focus was on pre-hospital healthcare systems) and I currently work in Public Health (although specifically in emergency operations). My educational background is in Political Science, EMS System Design and Healthcare Policy (Including Statistics, Ethics, Economics and Sociology as related to Healthcare).
It does matter in what you're exposed to, however.
Fire/EMS and Public Health are VERY opposite ends of the spectrum, policy wise. Fire/EMS is very conservative while Public Health is very liberal. Working private ambulance in a major city and transporting the sickest and poorest can really change your perspective, too. Learning how to critically analyze statistics and research also has a profound effect on what sources you view as reliable.
I'll say my worldview changed a lot by the end of undergrad and into grad school. I went from very conservative to an independent with a focus on efficacy over ideology. That's why I have weird views sometimes and come across as conservative or liberal depending on the topic, and depending on whether or not I'm correcting a liberal or conservative with facts. Strangely, partisans seem to think you're the opposite viewpoint just because you disagree with them.
I think in terms of my personhood - I'm someone who would be working to help others regardless and my personality hasn't really changed. HOW I think the best way to go about it is a matter of my experience.
Marrying a Hindu woman when you're an Irish-Italian that was raised Catholic but identify as agnostic atheist also presents... unique viewpoints.
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There seems to be a severe misunderstanding going on here. I'm wasn't trying to say that your college degree, as in the physical diploma you received upon graduating, in math or biology or what have you have any determination in who you are as an individual. Rather, I am saying that your choice in choosing that major, the things you learned while taking that major, and the things you experience while working within whatever job you work at either influenced or will influence your various beliefs.
It's basically what Jay13x wrote- I'm interested in what you've been exposed to professionally and academically.
I've worked for a couple of months at a major clothes store in the past. I now deliberately make sure I return clothing to the best condition after I try them on, because I know how ******* tedious it can get when I fold and clean up the same clothes over and over.
Now, when I wrote I believe you're correct I meant that I believe I may have overstated the importance of these things in my mind.
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Exactly which I'm not telling as I'm pretty sure I've listed my university here before and I'd rather not get SWATed.
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How is the job at McDonalds working out for you?
No probably about it. I've tracked people down to get divorce papers sent with no more than what kind of job they have, what region of the state they live in, and a willingness to pretend to be a manager for a Red Lobster. Then the Bounty Hunter we knew served the guy some divorce papers.
Fun day. Did it all on my phone from a coffee shop.
I'm kinda sad I haven't been active lately because if I'd read FD4's comment before you edit'd your original remark I'd have found you just because I like puzzles and, well, "ECP says what up brosef" is probably a best case scenario
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I graduated *** laude in Psychology, Business and Sales. I don't know if I want to claim that I'm necessarily an autodidact, per se, outside the notion that, of course, everyone is self taught to an extent, but I'm a published artist, I've run a political satire website (and just got tapped to be the EiC of a magazine that I get to create alongside some really interesting people) as well as actual electoral campaigns and the occasional bit of citizen lobbying at my state capitol. I've also been a teacher, military vet, all kinds of wonky stuff. Oh, and I'm reasonably well versed in a wide range of topics due, in part, to a particular member of this forum insisting I buy a bunch of books I otherwise wouldn't (thanks man