You're in a public debate forum about Donald Trump, and you are an ardent Trump supporter. It's perfectly relevant to the thread for me to ask you to what extent you actually support your candidate.
It's a simple question, Tipsygiggle. This isn't a trick. It's perfectly straightforward. Is your support for Trump unconditional, or would there exist a condition in which you would stop supporting Trump?
Let me just make it really easy: what if, hypothetically, Donald Trump started advocating USSR-style totalitarian communism? Support Trump, or rescind your support for Trump?
Or no, you know what, too many words, let's make it shorter: Trump supports creating the Hunger Games. Support Trump or no longer support Trump?
I am for putting the military along the border so if someone is going to get away, shooting them works in my book. Obviously that is illegal now but it shouldn't be.
It is this kind of extremist attitude we are trying to fight in the middle east and keep out of the white house. How can you have so little regard for human life?
You're in a public debate forum about Donald Trump, and you are an ardent Trump supporter. It's perfectly relevant to the thread for me to ask you to what extent you actually support your candidate.
It's a simple question, Tipsygiggle. This isn't a trick. It's perfectly straightforward. Is your support for Trump unconditional, or would there exist a condition in which you would stop supporting Trump?
Let me just make it really easy: what if, hypothetically, Donald Trump switched his positions and advocated USSR-style totalitarian communism? Support Trump, or rescind your support for Trump?
The idea that trump would do this is absurd. You are throwing out purely hypothetical questions based on zero evidence.
I am for putting the military along the border so if someone is going to get away, shooting them works in my book. Obviously that is illegal now but it shouldn't be.
This is bad and you are bad for believing this.
Murder isn't some "oh well" arbitrary cost of business and this mindset is incredibly dangerous, especially in a post Trayvon Martin world of minorities being killed without legal recourse for (perceived) infractions. You get to the "Mike Brown stole cigarettes, so he deserved to be shot unarmed!" law of Draconian, smug sinister totalitarianism and I don't stand for it.
I am upset with you and hope you find something else to believe in.
An exercise for Trump supporters: picture what you'd tell your children as why you supported Trump. Picture their faces in 2035. Trump is a terrible disgrace for America, a thug, a wannabe strongman, and frankly, as Evil a man as I've ever seen in American politics.
I am for putting the military along the border so if someone is going to get away, shooting them works in my book. Obviously that is illegal now but it shouldn't be.
This is bad and you are bad for believing this.
Murder isn't some "oh well" arbitrary cost of business and this mindset is incredibly dangerous, especially in a post Trayvon Martin world of minorities being killed without legal recourse for (perceived) infractions. You get to the "Mike Brown stole cigarettes, so he deserved to be shot unarmed!" law of Draconian, smug sinister totalitarianism and I don't stand for it.
I am upset with you and hope you find something else to believe in.
They are breaking the law. Now if mexico was throwing people across the border I think it would be time to give a nice warm hello and then proceed to blow up every single mexican government building. Citing Trayvon martin is absurd he started a fight and died for it. Mike brown mugged someone then charged a police officer who went to arrest him. Acting like these people are nice decent people is absurd. My brother-in-laws identity was stolen twice by illegal immigrants one from mexico the other from Costa Rica because he is from puerto rico and had a name that matches their face.
It trump went down to the border and shot a man trying to cross it would you still support him?
I am for putting the military along the border so if someone is going to get away, shooting them works in my book. Obviously that is illegal now but it shouldn't be.
What if Trump decided that immigrants can stay in this country, but only as slaves?
Right now they are slaves which is terrible. Seriously they make below minimum wage, get scared by their employers to live in terrible conditions ,and work absurd hours. They are not treated like people now. A prison cell would be an improvement in living conditions for many of them, which is incredibly sad.
So you support the death penalty for anyone who breaks the law? Does this include jaywalking?
Once again, I'm trying to find the limit at which you will stop supporting Trump. Is it actually unconditional? Would you support Trump even if he performed heinous misdeeds?
And the amazing thing is, I've posted absurd hypotheticals specifically because I'm waiting for that moment when any remotely rational person would say, "No, I would not support Trump in this instance." But you haven't done it.
So you support the death penalty for anyone who breaks the law? Does this include jaywalking?
Once again, I'm trying to find the limit at which you will stop supporting Trump. Is it actually unconditional? Would you support Trump even if he performed heinous misdeeds?
And the amazing thing is, I've posted absurd hypotheticals specifically because I'm waiting for that moment when any remotely rational person would say, "No, I would not support Trump in this instance." But you haven't done it.
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border. My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
And the amazing thing is, I've posted absurd hypotheticals specifically because I'm waiting for that moment when any remotely rational person would say, "No, I would not support Trump in this instance." But you haven't done it.
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border.
But when presented with a hypothetical scenario in which Trump did say this exact thing, you continued to support him!
There's a huge disconnect here. You're claiming that Trump is the best of the worst, that he's your candidate by process of elimination as the other candidates are worse. But you ardently support Trump. You have consistently made arguments in favor of Trump in the face of people saying negative things about him. And you have been reluctant to answer whether or not your support for Trump has limitations.
Let me ask you this: What would Trump have to do to get you to say, "Trump is no longer the worst of all the candidates?"
My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
Ok, so there's a start. Is it just assault rifles? What else would you not support?
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border.
But when presented with a hypothetical scenario in which Trump did say this exact thing, you continued to support him!
There's a huge disconnect here. You're claiming that Trump is the best of the worst, that he's your candidate by process of elimination as the other candidates are worse. But you ardently support Trump. You have consistently made arguments in favor of Trump in the face of people saying negative things about him. And you have been reluctant to answer whether or not your support for Trump has limitations.
Let me ask you this: What would Trump have to do to get you to say, "Trump is no longer the worst of all the candidates?"
My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
Ok, so there's a start. Is it just assault rifles? What else would you not support?
If he wouldn't increase deportations of illegal immigrants.
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border.
But when presented with a hypothetical scenario in which Trump did say this exact thing, you continued to support him!
There's a huge disconnect here. You're claiming that Trump is the best of the worst, that he's your candidate by process of elimination as the other candidates are worse. But you ardently support Trump. You have consistently made arguments in favor of Trump in the face of people saying negative things about him. And you have been reluctant to answer whether or not your support for Trump has limitations.
Let me ask you this: What would Trump have to do to get you to say, "Trump is no longer the worst of all the candidates?"
My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
Ok, so there's a start. Is it just assault rifles? What else would you not support?
Not every issue is of equal importance. Also all the other guys except cruz give lip service to illegal immigration but he is too much in favor of globalization. I prefer Trumps economic policies as they are better for the working class even if they hurt GDP.
I prefer Trumps economic policies as they are better for the working class even if they hurt GDP.
What economic policies, the guy hasn't given any concrete plan on the issues aside from a statement that he will take back jobs from China and make better trade deals. Not really policies more like slogans if anything.
I prefer Trumps economic policies as they are better for the working class even if they hurt GDP.
What economic policies, the guy hasn't given any concrete plan on the issues aside from a statement that he will take back jobs from China and make better trade deals. Not really policies more like slogans if anything.
It is pretty clear he wants to them to play by the same rules for companies and stop manipulating their currency. If they keep being protectionist it is time to raise tariffs.
It is pretty clear he wants to them to play by the same rules for companies and stop manipulating their currency. If they keep being protectionist it is time to raise tariffs.
Its really not pretty clear when all he says is "we are going to win" and "I will be the greatest jobs president ever."
It is pretty clear he wants to them to play by the same rules for companies and stop manipulating their currency. If they keep being protectionist it is time to raise tariffs.
Its really not pretty clear when all he says is "we are going to win" and "I will be the greatest jobs president ever."
He has done several interviews when asked about raising tariffs. He always answered we will if we have to that. He has also talked about redoing trade deals and if they can't be redone scrap them.
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border.
But when presented with a hypothetical scenario in which Trump did say this exact thing, you continued to support him!
There's a huge disconnect here. You're claiming that Trump is the best of the worst, that he's your candidate by process of elimination as the other candidates are worse. But you ardently support Trump. You have consistently made arguments in favor of Trump in the face of people saying negative things about him. And you have been reluctant to answer whether or not your support for Trump has limitations.
Let me ask you this: What would Trump have to do to get you to say, "Trump is no longer the worst of all the candidates?"
My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
Ok, so there's a start. Is it just assault rifles? What else would you not support?
Donald Trump is the only person who can save this country from itself. He is a multi-billionaire business man that can bring jobs back to America. There has to be only a way, if we side with Europe we're going to be ruined to defend them forever. Russian ambitions are to transform and build the world safer for those of us in the second world. America is at the beck and call of China and other first world powers. Once we realize that our only allies are those in areas such as the Middle East, Russia, and a handful of countries who have supported us in the past. We need new allies who are not afraid to fight wars and those who are willing to starve off against European imperialist adventures into areas such as the Ukraine. Aligning ourselves with other energy powers is the only way to stop incursions for world domination to send us the Greeks and Polish over here like they did in the past. We will then have the rest of the British, Germans, and other areas of the world sending us their wantoned through peasant dumps as a policy to reduce poverty.
The Australian history was to have a penal colony, the same with the US. We were historically a place where people would dump their unwanteds. The Know Nothing Party was actually through propaganda able to stop German policy for peasant dumping on the US by being anti-immigrant. Thus far you are not supporting the truth that America only grows stronger through isolationism against people. Whenever we have a blue water navy and allow other people to fight their own wars, we are able to thrive. This is why after WWI and WWII we were able to take advantage of a destroyed world and send our goods and products abroad. Because we didn't destroy our civilization.
Now the Middle East wants to destroy its own civilization and China is going through a difficult economic crisis that may embroil it into a Asian War. We need not fight these wars, rather than to align ourselves with parties outside of the traditional context. Putin has a lot of ambition, if we through the art of the deal can make a binding American-Russian pact for world peace that makes both of our interests stronger in the world we maybe able to begin to take back our rightful place in the world. That is domestic policy for Americans and providing jobs for Americans.
Trump is supporting Reaganonomics, by producing domestic production as well as tax breaks and cutting specific areas of government. Equally maintaining the progressive tax system without having a huge giveaway to foreign influences like multinationals and evil places like Israel who oppress the sovereign nation of Palestine from its rightful place in the world. There is no excusing European and Israeli powers trying to take down Greece, Russia, Iran, and Palestine through inept policies. A nuclear Iran through American and Russian support would finally come to the realization that Israel needs to begin to conduct a more peaceful opposition as the only nuclear power in the region.
Israel is becoming more Orthodox and Netanyahu has been someone that has not only stifled the peace process, but rather since the assassination of Yizhak Rabin. The question I come down to what is that you can really do to defend against Trump's ability to actually make deals with future super powers like Russia who dominate regions of the world and can actually know how to maintain order globally. Trump is the only person who will finally stop us sending billions and billions of dollars to places like Egypt and Israel who do nothing but sow seeds of conflict in the region and stir up peaceful countries like Iran who only wish to acquire nuclear weapons to defend themselves from powers like the US who are scaring them.
When we stop scaring Russia and Iran, and allow them to dominate specific areas we can gain more leverage over Europe to begin to have their own build up. The only reason why Europe has been able to become so socialist is because of our militaristic policies. Putin's ambition for a strong Russia with designs in Europe, need to be supported because he is attempting to rebuild a strong Russian military power. The Russians were known for their ruthlessness to defend freedom during WWII through their manpower. Through American technology, an alliance with Russia and China would allow us to stabilize the regions of the world by supporting parties like Iran.
Iran, unlike terrorist states like Saudi Arabia, only have designs so as far as to oppose the US. Whenever we give them a free ride in the region, they can begin to counter Saudi influences in the area and finally turn the tide of terrorist back home to Mecca as the home of Islam rather than seeing Jerusalem as the crux. The true powers in the regions are neither the US nor the Russians nor Europe. There is a real Sunni Shia split in the region that is merely exploiting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Once Israel is forced to deal with Palestine as an equal nation-state or to finally fuse together and build a new nation-state that is more similar to other western liberal democracies that don't try to discriminate against other people. That and actually start learning how to convert Muslims into Jews to compete in religious ways like how the rest of us in the world actually compete for adherents to our religions.
Trump is the only man who can set a new world order in which people take care of themselves and learn how to be more American.
I got really bored with the old exercises, so I'm playing "Pro-Trump" out of amusement.
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It has more to do with us spending blood and treasure for the idea we are the shining city on the hill. We aren't and we have problems at home that need to be fixed.
I am for putting the military along the border so if someone is going to get away, shooting them works in my book. Obviously that is illegal now but it shouldn't be.
This is bad and you are bad for believing this.
Murder isn't some "oh well" arbitrary cost of business and this mindset is incredibly dangerous, especially in a post Trayvon Martin world of minorities being killed without legal recourse for (perceived) infractions. You get to the "Mike Brown stole cigarettes, so he deserved to be shot unarmed!" law of Draconian, smug sinister totalitarianism and I don't stand for it.
I am upset with you and hope you find something else to believe in.
An exercise for Trump supporters: picture what you'd tell your children as why you supported Trump. Picture their faces in 2035. Trump is a terrible disgrace for America, a thug, a wannabe strongman, and frankly, as Evil a man as I've ever seen in American politics.
Illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be in this country. Law enforcement individuals "murder" people in the line of duty all the time. The military is there to engage in national security. I also would have no problem with our military on our border. Illegal immigrants would actually have more options than Trayvon Martin, they could just literally not engage in Crime. Of course I'd rather them be captured but if they run, well...
Illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be in this country. Law enforcement individuals "murder" people in the line of duty all the time. The military is there to engage in national security. I also would have no problem with our military on our border. Illegal immigrants would actually have more options than Trayvon Martin, they could just literally not engage in Crime. Of course I'd rather them be captured but if they run, well...
lethal force is supposed to be a last resort to protect against imminent harm to innocent people. It is very far from the appropriate response to the crime of illegal immigration. Cops are not supposed to shoot unarmed lawbreakers even if they run, the same common decency should be applied to all criminals.
Illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be in this country. Law enforcement individuals "murder" people in the line of duty all the time. The military is there to engage in national security. I also would have no problem with our military on our border. Illegal immigrants would actually have more options than Trayvon Martin, they could just literally not engage in Crime. Of course I'd rather them be captured but if they run, well...
lethal force is supposed to be a last resort to protect against imminent harm to innocent people. It is very far from the appropriate response to the crime of illegal immigration. Cops are not supposed to shoot unarmed lawbreakers even if they run, the same common decency should be applied to all criminals.
A large portion of these people are bringing drugs, stolen documents, and weapons across. No one makes them cross the border. Cartels control the border and rarely do they just charge cash to get across.
So... Kasich doesn't even get a majority in his own State and then has a confetti party like he won the nomination. This guy delusional or what?
It's no different than when Rubio was hailed and praised and given a participation award for coming in Third in Iowa. The establishment just doesn't get that they've failed through and through.
So... Kasich doesn't even get a majority in his own State and then has a confetti party like he won the nomination. This guy delusional or what?
They have to hype it up so when they inevitable force their brokered convention they can get votes to Kasich.
That is what they are trying to do but that isn't going to happen. As much as they hate trump they are going to have to bite the bullet. They either campaign for hillary or campaign for trump This is assuming he doesn't win outright which is entirely possible he is polling very well in the winner take all states.
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It's a simple question, Tipsygiggle. This isn't a trick. It's perfectly straightforward. Is your support for Trump unconditional, or would there exist a condition in which you would stop supporting Trump?
Let me just make it really easy: what if, hypothetically, Donald Trump started advocating USSR-style totalitarian communism? Support Trump, or rescind your support for Trump?
Or no, you know what, too many words, let's make it shorter: Trump supports creating the Hunger Games. Support Trump or no longer support Trump?
The idea that trump would do this is absurd. You are throwing out purely hypothetical questions based on zero evidence.
This is bad and you are bad for believing this.
Murder isn't some "oh well" arbitrary cost of business and this mindset is incredibly dangerous, especially in a post Trayvon Martin world of minorities being killed without legal recourse for (perceived) infractions. You get to the "Mike Brown stole cigarettes, so he deserved to be shot unarmed!" law of Draconian, smug sinister totalitarianism and I don't stand for it.
I am upset with you and hope you find something else to believe in.
An exercise for Trump supporters: picture what you'd tell your children as why you supported Trump. Picture their faces in 2035. Trump is a terrible disgrace for America, a thug, a wannabe strongman, and frankly, as Evil a man as I've ever seen in American politics.
Once again, would you support Trump? Yes or no? It's a very simple question. Trump, Hunger Games, yes or no?
Umm, is that a sensible choice when he will make decisions that effect the entire nation? Toss the dice for things that only effect you, please.
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They are breaking the law. Now if mexico was throwing people across the border I think it would be time to give a nice warm hello and then proceed to blow up every single mexican government building. Citing Trayvon martin is absurd he started a fight and died for it. Mike brown mugged someone then charged a police officer who went to arrest him. Acting like these people are nice decent people is absurd. My brother-in-laws identity was stolen twice by illegal immigrants one from mexico the other from Costa Rica because he is from puerto rico and had a name that matches their face.
Right now they are slaves which is terrible. Seriously they make below minimum wage, get scared by their employers to live in terrible conditions ,and work absurd hours. They are not treated like people now. A prison cell would be an improvement in living conditions for many of them, which is incredibly sad.
If I know the other guys are doomed to failure. At least there is a chance for upside at the worst.
Once again, I'm trying to find the limit at which you will stop supporting Trump. Is it actually unconditional? Would you support Trump even if he performed heinous misdeeds?
And the amazing thing is, I've posted absurd hypotheticals specifically because I'm waiting for that moment when any remotely rational person would say, "No, I would not support Trump in this instance." But you haven't done it.
Well trump never said shoot anyone coming across the border. My stance is certainly harsher than his. I wouldn't support Trump if he currently supported an assault weapon ban. I am saving up for a new Kriss vector sbr.
False dichotomy: another option is he is actively bad - that's the worst.
His very own David Duke moment.
There's a huge disconnect here. You're claiming that Trump is the best of the worst, that he's your candidate by process of elimination as the other candidates are worse. But you ardently support Trump. You have consistently made arguments in favor of Trump in the face of people saying negative things about him. And you have been reluctant to answer whether or not your support for Trump has limitations.
Let me ask you this: What would Trump have to do to get you to say, "Trump is no longer the worst of all the candidates?"
Ok, so there's a start. Is it just assault rifles? What else would you not support?
If he wouldn't increase deportations of illegal immigrants.
Not every issue is of equal importance. Also all the other guys except cruz give lip service to illegal immigration but he is too much in favor of globalization. I prefer Trumps economic policies as they are better for the working class even if they hurt GDP.
It is pretty clear he wants to them to play by the same rules for companies and stop manipulating their currency. If they keep being protectionist it is time to raise tariffs.
He has done several interviews when asked about raising tariffs. He always answered we will if we have to that. He has also talked about redoing trade deals and if they can't be redone scrap them.
Donald Trump is the only person who can save this country from itself. He is a multi-billionaire business man that can bring jobs back to America. There has to be only a way, if we side with Europe we're going to be ruined to defend them forever. Russian ambitions are to transform and build the world safer for those of us in the second world. America is at the beck and call of China and other first world powers. Once we realize that our only allies are those in areas such as the Middle East, Russia, and a handful of countries who have supported us in the past. We need new allies who are not afraid to fight wars and those who are willing to starve off against European imperialist adventures into areas such as the Ukraine. Aligning ourselves with other energy powers is the only way to stop incursions for world domination to send us the Greeks and Polish over here like they did in the past. We will then have the rest of the British, Germans, and other areas of the world sending us their wantoned through peasant dumps as a policy to reduce poverty.
The Australian history was to have a penal colony, the same with the US. We were historically a place where people would dump their unwanteds. The Know Nothing Party was actually through propaganda able to stop German policy for peasant dumping on the US by being anti-immigrant. Thus far you are not supporting the truth that America only grows stronger through isolationism against people. Whenever we have a blue water navy and allow other people to fight their own wars, we are able to thrive. This is why after WWI and WWII we were able to take advantage of a destroyed world and send our goods and products abroad. Because we didn't destroy our civilization.
Now the Middle East wants to destroy its own civilization and China is going through a difficult economic crisis that may embroil it into a Asian War. We need not fight these wars, rather than to align ourselves with parties outside of the traditional context. Putin has a lot of ambition, if we through the art of the deal can make a binding American-Russian pact for world peace that makes both of our interests stronger in the world we maybe able to begin to take back our rightful place in the world. That is domestic policy for Americans and providing jobs for Americans.
Trump is supporting Reaganonomics, by producing domestic production as well as tax breaks and cutting specific areas of government. Equally maintaining the progressive tax system without having a huge giveaway to foreign influences like multinationals and evil places like Israel who oppress the sovereign nation of Palestine from its rightful place in the world. There is no excusing European and Israeli powers trying to take down Greece, Russia, Iran, and Palestine through inept policies. A nuclear Iran through American and Russian support would finally come to the realization that Israel needs to begin to conduct a more peaceful opposition as the only nuclear power in the region.
Israel is becoming more Orthodox and Netanyahu has been someone that has not only stifled the peace process, but rather since the assassination of Yizhak Rabin. The question I come down to what is that you can really do to defend against Trump's ability to actually make deals with future super powers like Russia who dominate regions of the world and can actually know how to maintain order globally. Trump is the only person who will finally stop us sending billions and billions of dollars to places like Egypt and Israel who do nothing but sow seeds of conflict in the region and stir up peaceful countries like Iran who only wish to acquire nuclear weapons to defend themselves from powers like the US who are scaring them.
When we stop scaring Russia and Iran, and allow them to dominate specific areas we can gain more leverage over Europe to begin to have their own build up. The only reason why Europe has been able to become so socialist is because of our militaristic policies. Putin's ambition for a strong Russia with designs in Europe, need to be supported because he is attempting to rebuild a strong Russian military power. The Russians were known for their ruthlessness to defend freedom during WWII through their manpower. Through American technology, an alliance with Russia and China would allow us to stabilize the regions of the world by supporting parties like Iran.
Iran, unlike terrorist states like Saudi Arabia, only have designs so as far as to oppose the US. Whenever we give them a free ride in the region, they can begin to counter Saudi influences in the area and finally turn the tide of terrorist back home to Mecca as the home of Islam rather than seeing Jerusalem as the crux. The true powers in the regions are neither the US nor the Russians nor Europe. There is a real Sunni Shia split in the region that is merely exploiting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Once Israel is forced to deal with Palestine as an equal nation-state or to finally fuse together and build a new nation-state that is more similar to other western liberal democracies that don't try to discriminate against other people. That and actually start learning how to convert Muslims into Jews to compete in religious ways like how the rest of us in the world actually compete for adherents to our religions.
Trump is the only man who can set a new world order in which people take care of themselves and learn how to be more American.
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Illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be in this country. Law enforcement individuals "murder" people in the line of duty all the time. The military is there to engage in national security. I also would have no problem with our military on our border. Illegal immigrants would actually have more options than Trayvon Martin, they could just literally not engage in Crime. Of course I'd rather them be captured but if they run, well...
A large portion of these people are bringing drugs, stolen documents, and weapons across. No one makes them cross the border. Cartels control the border and rarely do they just charge cash to get across.
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It's no different than when Rubio was hailed and praised and given a participation award for coming in Third in Iowa. The establishment just doesn't get that they've failed through and through.
That is what they are trying to do but that isn't going to happen. As much as they hate trump they are going to have to bite the bullet. They either campaign for hillary or campaign for trump This is assuming he doesn't win outright which is entirely possible he is polling very well in the winner take all states.