Of course it was subjective. It was an opinion that I held, based on evidence. Like I said, trying to label that as "believing in something without proof" is disingenuous.
I would say "I don't believe in anything that I don't have proof, or good scientific reason, to believe in." was not a subjective statement, nor was it ingenuous or true.
But, if you're saying you MEANT something else, I will except that.
I don't believe that there is a god. I have explained where I fall in terms of agnosticism and atheism. I feel that calling my self an agnostic makes it sounds like I'm on the fence. If it helps, I'll say again that I'm 99.999...% atheist, and the rest agnostic.
I would like to see what number you crunched to arrive at that one. Anyway
You're 'not sure' but you DO 'believe:'
Strong Atheist:Feels there is no chance God exists."I know there is no God." Weak Atheist: Feels it's more likely that there is not a God than there is."I believe there is no God." Agnostic:Finds both God or no God equally likely/meaningless."I don't know anything about a God." Weak Theist:Feels its more likely that there is a God than there is not. "I believe there is God." Strong Theist:Feels there is no chance God does not exists."I know there is a God."
Indeed, exactly my point.
But it IS was what you said, and continue to say. See below.
I would like to see what number you crunched to arrive at that one. Anyway
You're 'not sure' but you DO 'believe:'
*facepalm*
I'll say it again. I don't believe that there is a god. I'm not saying, "I believe that there is no god." The first is a statement that requests more information in order to believe, the other is firm belief that there is not a god. Are we clear now?
You could label me a weak atheist, except your wording of: "I believe there is no god" is not something that I would accept.
As for number crunching, you know I was being figurative, don't be silly.
I'll say it again. I don't believe that there is a god. I'm not saying, "I believe that there is no god." The first is a statement that requests more information in order to believe, the other is firm belief that there is not a god. Are we clear now?
You could label me a weak atheist, except your wording of: "I believe there is no god" is not something that I would accept.
I don't see, at all, how you can say your "99.999%" sure there is no God, but NOT agree that you believe there is no God.
What the heck do you think 'believe' means? (hint: That your "pretty sure" your right about something.)
At this point we are just arguing semantics, but, no, that is not what 'believe' means. It means "I am figuratively 99.99% sure of something." Like you are.
Please read the wiki page I linked you.
If you want to have your own definitions for things, that's fine, but be aware I like speaking the common tongue, so I will be using "believe" the way wiki does. If you don't want to, that's fine, I will try to keep in mind you think "believe"="know" when I read your posts so we can avoid arguing semantics.
At this point we are just arguing schematics, but, no, that is not what 'believe' means. It means "I am figuratively 99.99% sure of something." Like you are.
Please read the wiki page I linked you.
If you want to have your own definitions for things, that's fine, but be aware I like speaking the common tongue, so I will be using "believe" the way wiki does. If you don't want to, that's fine, I will try to keep than it mind when I read your posts so we can avoid arguing schematics.
You mean semantics?
Sorry, but there is a difference in those two statements beyond ignorable semantics. If you can't see it, despite my explanations, that's not my fault.
Sorry, but there is a difference in those two statements beyond ignorable semantics. If you can't see it, despite my explanations, that's not my fault.
LOL, I can't? I'm the one that started with the whole ~B(G) vs B(~G) thing, but your not understanding the difference between 'knowing'(or being sure) of something and 'believing' something.
But, as I can see you want to hold on to your own definitions of words and not except the what the dictionary says. I don't want to argue it with you. If you want to argue, do it against the dictionary. I will change only when it does anyway. Convince it, not me.
But, if you're saying you MEANT something else, I will except that.
Indeed, exactly my point.
But it IS was what you said, and continue to say. See below.
I would like to see what number you crunched to arrive at that one. Anyway
You're 'not sure' but you DO 'believe:'
Strong Atheist: Feels there is no chance God exists. "I know there is no God."
Weak Atheist: Feels it's more likely that there is not a God than there is. "I believe there is no God."
Agnostic: Finds both God or no God equally likely/meaningless. "I don't know anything about a God."
Weak Theist: Feels its more likely that there is a God than there is not. "I believe there is God."
Strong Theist: Feels there is no chance God does not exists. "I know there is a God."
Or use Dawkins'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability
I don't care. However you slice it you have the positive belief there is no God.
*facepalm*
I'll say it again. I don't believe that there is a god. I'm not saying, "I believe that there is no god." The first is a statement that requests more information in order to believe, the other is firm belief that there is not a god. Are we clear now?
You could label me a weak atheist, except your wording of: "I believe there is no god" is not something that I would accept.
As for number crunching, you know I was being figurative, don't be silly.
I don't see, at all, how you can say your "99.999%" sure there is no God, but NOT agree that you believe there is no God.
What the heck do you think 'believe' means? (hint: That your "pretty sure" your right about something.)
You're not seeming to understand the difference between these two statements:
1. I don't believe that there is a god. <---- this is where I am
2. I believe that there is no god.
The first leaves room for more evidence to be presented. The second is a conclusion by the individual that there is no god.
Capiche?
At this point we are just arguing semantics, but, no, that is not what 'believe' means. It means "I am figuratively 99.99% sure of something." Like you are.
Please read the wiki page I linked you.
If you want to have your own definitions for things, that's fine, but be aware I like speaking the common tongue, so I will be using "believe" the way wiki does. If you don't want to, that's fine, I will try to keep in mind you think "believe"="know" when I read your posts so we can avoid arguing semantics.
You mean semantics?
Sorry, but there is a difference in those two statements beyond ignorable semantics. If you can't see it, despite my explanations, that's not my fault.
LOL, I can't? I'm the one that started with the whole ~B(G) vs B(~G) thing, but your not understanding the difference between 'knowing'(or being sure) of something and 'believing' something.
But, as I can see you want to hold on to your own definitions of words and not except the what the dictionary says. I don't want to argue it with you. If you want to argue, do it against the dictionary. I will change only when it does anyway. Convince it, not me.