He doesn't believe that the US should be involved in international affairs, thus the Darfur vote.
His views on the Civil Rights act are similar to modern views on affirmative action.
Replace "elites" with "politicians" and his views are rather valid. All of things he said are weakening US sovereignty.
Not that I share his views, but Ron Paul is not the only person to think that banning Christmas trees and the like in public settings because people might be "offended" is ridiculous.
I don't see how the legislation posted has anything to do with the subsequent link, and even if it does to attribute causality is a huge stretch.
Our currency is tied to empty promises right now. Is that any better?
Once again, people are trying to portray Ron Paul as an insane racist nutjob when they haven't taken a good look at the reasons for his beliefs. Do you really think Ron Paul supporters have studied his views on the issues less than you have?
It never ceases to amaze me that this is an issue that people actually think about in presidential campaigns. Its such a niche issue, it just doesn't deserve the amount of attention it receives. The only people this directly affects are pregnant women.
Not so. The right to abortion and the fight over it is an issue that affects all women, because the threat of being turned into a living incubator for the state is something that might happen to any woman due to birth control failure or rape.
Not so. The right to abortion and the fight over it is an issue that affects all women, because the threat of being turned into a living incubator for the state is something that might happen to any woman due to birth control failure or rape.
The point is that it's completely irrelevant for politics because both sides will have all kinds of opinions to get elected, but once they're in, don't expect anything to actually happen. I ignore the issue completely because
A) I'm a man, thus my opinions on the matter are invalid. Let's poll all american women and do whatever they decide.
B) they don't really mean it
C) good luck legislatively overturning a supreme court ruling, did you fall asleep in civics?
I've volunteered as a clinic escort. If you think those nutters don't mean it, you're out of touch with reality.
Back on topic. As for Ron Paul, he's now got (neo-nazi website) Stormfront's endorsement and he's going to make an appearance at the Taft Club, which has links to hate groups and white supremacist groups like VDARE, American Cause, Team America PAC and the American Renaissance journal. http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/10/real-ron-paul-surfaces.html
Is he going to have to run around with a Hitler mustache, a brown shirt and a stiff arm before people drop him?
The issue with abortion is the only opposition to it is the religious idea ofthe human soul. By losing that issue, either the Church or the scientists lose a massive handhold in their political struggle.
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The issue with abortion is the only opposition to it is the religious idea ofthe human soul. By losing that issue, either the Church or the scientists lose a massive handhold in their political struggle.
That's so absolutely false it's amazing. There are plenty of atheists that are against abortion. Not to mention that when you look at abortion, the fetus is a human by any meaningful definition, thus it's murder.
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I've volunteered as a clinic escort. If you think those nutters don't mean it, you're out of touch with reality.
I'm talking about the politicians. The politicians don't mean it.
I'm saying that when a candidate gets on TV and says s/he is against/for abortion and will do something about it, s/he is lying and will do nothing one way or another. The abortion "debate" is fake and created for votes. People care about it, politicians don't care about it.
I agree! Let's do away with government and live a happy responsibility-free life in a commune where there would be none of those nasty things like human nature, and where there would be kittens and moonbeams and we could frolic among the roses...
If you had read the link you would have seen that I did think that the pro-woman slavery (anti-choice is not even nasty enough an epithet for that crowd) politicians do mean every word they say to their pro-woman slavery base, and that my "Yeah, they don't mean it at all" statement was pure sarcasm. And then you wouldn't have looked like a jack*ss bringing in some OT snarkiness from another thread.
I prefer to call them the "anti-murdering women" crowd, since they're trying to keep as many women (and men) alive as possible. That way you don't have to look like an idiot for bringing in idiotic rhetoric.
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I prefer to call them the "anti-murdering women" crowd
Considering that the only murder that ever happened in an abortion clinic was done by the 'pro-life' crowd, it's not exactly truth in advertising...
Now explain to me how the state coming in and forcing a woman to gestate an alien entity within her own body isn't slavery. We could imprison people who try to get rid of their tapeworm too, I've actually known some deep ecologist vegan morons who might support that. Make it a Left/Right coalition!
We could imprison people who try to get rid of their tapeworm too, I've actually known some deep ecologist vegan morons who might support that. Make it a Left/Right coalition!
Hmmm, well you see the problem with that is that the tapeworm isn't human, so slight flaw in your reasoning.
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Hmmm, well you see the problem with that is that the tapeworm isn't human
You SPECIEIST! </hippy-mode>
A fetus is human, but so is my hair. It's not a *person*. Until the third trimester it has no way to think, feel pain, or suffer. It's a victimless crime. I feel more guilt out of eating a steak (an adult cow *does* think and feel pain). And since I've not been vegan for over 3 years, let's just say I don't really feel much guilt out of eating steak.
he's now got (neo-nazi website) Stormfront's endorsement and he's going to make an appearance at the Taft Club, which has links to hate groups and white supremacist groups like VDARE, American Cause, Team America PAC and the American Renaissance journal. http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/10/real-ron-paul-surfaces.html
Frankly, your tendancy to wrongfully associate Ron Paul with clearly hateful and illegal people or groups is obnoxious. You know as well as the rest of us that people can stand next to Hitler and not BE Hitler. They can advertise in newspapers that print personal ads of bisexuals without BEING bisexual, and so on. Ron Paul clearly isn't racist, hateful, or a neo-nazi. He is open about all of his beliefs and plans for the US. For you to insinuate those things just shows that you're ignorant and slandering someone without knowing the facts. Either that, or you know you've got no ground to stand on, and you're hoping everyone else just isn't going to call you on it. Go away.
Ron Paul clearly isn't racist, hateful, or a neo-nazi.
I do not see how this is clear. There has been no demonstration of this, whereas there is clear evidence that he is quite at ease with frequenting and courting the vote of racist, hateful, neo-nazi types. And his views on homosexuality are appaling.
BTW, when it comes to the current crop of GOP hopefuls, it seems that they're all racing to the bottom to court the racist vote.
There's Tancredo who just hired George "macaca" Allen to help on his campaign.
Giuliani, well... I don't need to tell any New York resident about his 8 years of deliberatly targetting blacks with his policies. There's only one thing that deserves to be said about Giuliani, and it was said in an Agnostic Front song...
Giuliani, well... I don't need to tell any New York resident about his 8 years of deliberatly targetting blacks with his policies. There's only one thing that deserves to be said about Giuliani, and it was said in an Agnostic Front song...
Police State yeah..
I don't know much about him cept I have a bunch of friends in NY and I dont think any of them like him, they says some pretty bad things about him. Also in the New York times his own children stated in an enterview that they were not going to vote for him. That is pretty bad when you family hates you.
He went to his daughter Caroline's Graduation but didn't talk to her to many issues after the last of his divorces.
As for Ron Paul I like him but what can I say I am a sucker for the underdog plus I cant vote for any of them so it doesnt matter
Edit: I want to add I think from my own opinion people only like him because he looks like a heroe (or victim?) because he was mayor during 9/11.
Edit: I want to add I think from my own opinion people only like him because he looks like a heroe [sic] (or victim?) because he was mayor during 9/11.
A lot of people like him for his administration of New York through the 90s. He is credited for, and is of course now trying to take more credit for, "cleaning up" the city, in image as well as in actual numbers. (It has been pointed out that this perception might be actually more true among outsiders than New Yorkers, who have as DarkAngel pointed out had eight years to get to know him. On the other hand, despite what New Yorkers may like to believe, there are a lot more American voters living outside of the city than in it.)
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I think that if you are going to waste your vote on someone who has no chance of winning instead of voting for Ron Paul, vote for Dennis Kusinich. I mean he is for universal healthcare, repealing the patriot act, getting out of Iraq, fighting global warming, and the right to choose. Whats not to like about that?
I'd vote for Ron Paul on the meta-idea that if he got elected, politicians would start telling us what they want to do, instead of waffling on every issue and not having a stance.
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I'd vote for Ron Paul on the meta-idea that if he got elected, politicians would start telling us what they want to do
Ron Paul is running around teaming up with fascists and posing as a libertarian, so let me be a tad skeptical about whether Ron Paul is going to be the posterchild for honesty in politics...
I think that if you are going to waste your vote on someone who has no chance of winning instead of voting for Ron Paul, vote for Dennis Kusinich. I mean he is for universal healthcare, repealing the patriot act, getting out of Iraq, fighting global warming, and the right to choose. Whats not to like about that?
Well, there's the incurable insanity. I'm not so fond of that.
Ron Paul is running around teaming up with fascists and posing as a libertarian, so let me be a tad skeptical about whether Ron Paul is going to be the posterchild for honesty in politics...
You obviously are completely biased in your opinions about Ron Paul so I'm not going to try anymore, but how is he posing as a libertarian?
Ron Paul is running around teaming up with fascists and posing as a libertarian, so let me be a tad skeptical about whether Ron Paul is going to be the posterchild for honesty in politics...
you're just a flamer. You have presented no clear evidence showing Ron Paul is a so called "fascist". I suggest you watch this:
It's a 10 minute clip of Ron Paul on the Morton Downey Jr. Show back in 1988.
Anyway, I assume that you're some kind of leftist (anarcho-syndicalist, maybe?) and that your opposition to Ron Paul comes from his support of corporations. Let it be known that Ron Paul is not a corporatist. Dr. Paul wants to cut corporate welfare. He wants to eliminate the bond between the government and the business world. This is perhaps the antithesis of the fascist economic policies implemented by the Nazis and the Italian regime in the 1930s and 1940s.
In addition, Ron Paul considers himself to be a civil libertarian. If you watch the clip, you'll see the Congressman Paul is avidly opposed to the "war on drugs". In the past, he spoke out against the suspension of the writ of habeus corpes and voted 'no' to regulate the internet.
Do you regard him as a fascist because he is a Christian?
On a side note regarding the Gold Standard. Ron Paul doesn't want to eliminate the IRS and Federal Reserve overnight. He essentially wants to "legalize" gold and silver, thereby making it legal to pay off debts with them. I don't fully understand it, but there are two schools of economics that supports going back to the gold standard (chicago and austrian) and both have many brilliant minds. <-- this was in response to a post on page two where the author made the point that "any economist will tell you that the Gold Standard would be bad.."
By the way, I applaud anarcho-syndicalism, DarkAngel, and respect it as a philosophy. I'd just like to point out that your syndicalist society could easily exist within a "free market" anarchy. With no official currency your communes would be free to trade with each other without having to pay a tax to any government. Bakunin's Dream?
He doesn't believe that the US should be involved in international affairs, thus the Darfur vote.
His views on the Civil Rights act are similar to modern views on affirmative action.
Replace "elites" with "politicians" and his views are rather valid. All of things he said are weakening US sovereignty.
Not that I share his views, but Ron Paul is not the only person to think that banning Christmas trees and the like in public settings because people might be "offended" is ridiculous.
I don't see how the legislation posted has anything to do with the subsequent link, and even if it does to attribute causality is a huge stretch.
Our currency is tied to empty promises right now. Is that any better?
Once again, people are trying to portray Ron Paul as an insane racist nutjob when they haven't taken a good look at the reasons for his beliefs. Do you really think Ron Paul supporters have studied his views on the issues less than you have?
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Unfortunately he also has a lot of opposition from both Republicans and Democrats.
Not so. The right to abortion and the fight over it is an issue that affects all women, because the threat of being turned into a living incubator for the state is something that might happen to any woman due to birth control failure or rape.
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The point is that it's completely irrelevant for politics because both sides will have all kinds of opinions to get elected, but once they're in, don't expect anything to actually happen. I ignore the issue completely because
A) I'm a man, thus my opinions on the matter are invalid. Let's poll all american women and do whatever they decide.
B) they don't really mean it
C) good luck legislatively overturning a supreme court ruling, did you fall asleep in civics?
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Back on topic. As for Ron Paul, he's now got (neo-nazi website) Stormfront's endorsement and he's going to make an appearance at the Taft Club, which has links to hate groups and white supremacist groups like VDARE, American Cause, Team America PAC and the American Renaissance journal.
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/10/real-ron-paul-surfaces.html
Is he going to have to run around with a Hitler mustache, a brown shirt and a stiff arm before people drop him?
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That's so absolutely false it's amazing. There are plenty of atheists that are against abortion. Not to mention that when you look at abortion, the fetus is a human by any meaningful definition, thus it's murder.
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I'm talking about the politicians. The politicians don't mean it.
I'm saying that when a candidate gets on TV and says s/he is against/for abortion and will do something about it, s/he is lying and will do nothing one way or another. The abortion "debate" is fake and created for votes. People care about it, politicians don't care about it.
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Yeah. They don't mean it at all.
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If you had read the link you would have seen that I did think that the pro-woman slavery (anti-choice is not even nasty enough an epithet for that crowd) politicians do mean every word they say to their pro-woman slavery base, and that my "Yeah, they don't mean it at all" statement was pure sarcasm. And then you wouldn't have looked like a jack*ss bringing in some OT snarkiness from another thread.
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Considering that the only murder that ever happened in an abortion clinic was done by the 'pro-life' crowd, it's not exactly truth in advertising...
Now explain to me how the state coming in and forcing a woman to gestate an alien entity within her own body isn't slavery. We could imprison people who try to get rid of their tapeworm too, I've actually known some deep ecologist vegan morons who might support that. Make it a Left/Right coalition!
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Well, for one it's not an alien. Two, she put it there (except in cases of rape). Three, slavery for 9 months is less evil than murder
Hmmm, well you see the problem with that is that the tapeworm isn't human, so slight flaw in your reasoning.
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You SPECIEIST! </hippy-mode>
A fetus is human, but so is my hair. It's not a *person*. Until the third trimester it has no way to think, feel pain, or suffer. It's a victimless crime. I feel more guilt out of eating a steak (an adult cow *does* think and feel pain). And since I've not been vegan for over 3 years, let's just say I don't really feel much guilt out of eating steak.
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Frankly, your tendancy to wrongfully associate Ron Paul with clearly hateful and illegal people or groups is obnoxious. You know as well as the rest of us that people can stand next to Hitler and not BE Hitler. They can advertise in newspapers that print personal ads of bisexuals without BEING bisexual, and so on. Ron Paul clearly isn't racist, hateful, or a neo-nazi. He is open about all of his beliefs and plans for the US. For you to insinuate those things just shows that you're ignorant and slandering someone without knowing the facts. Either that, or you know you've got no ground to stand on, and you're hoping everyone else just isn't going to call you on it. Go away.
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I do not see how this is clear. There has been no demonstration of this, whereas there is clear evidence that he is quite at ease with frequenting and courting the vote of racist, hateful, neo-nazi types. And his views on homosexuality are appaling.
BTW, when it comes to the current crop of GOP hopefuls, it seems that they're all racing to the bottom to court the racist vote.
There's Tancredo who just hired George "macaca" Allen to help on his campaign.
Giuliani, well... I don't need to tell any New York resident about his 8 years of deliberatly targetting blacks with his policies. There's only one thing that deserves to be said about Giuliani, and it was said in an Agnostic Front song...
Ron Paul, sadly, is just par for the course.
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Police State yeah..
I don't know much about him cept I have a bunch of friends in NY and I dont think any of them like him, they says some pretty bad things about him. Also in the New York times his own children stated in an enterview that they were not going to vote for him. That is pretty bad when you family hates you.
He went to his daughter Caroline's Graduation but didn't talk to her to many issues after the last of his divorces.
As for Ron Paul I like him but what can I say I am a sucker for the underdog plus I cant vote for any of them so it doesnt matter
Edit: I want to add I think from my own opinion people only like him because he looks like a heroe (or victim?) because he was mayor during 9/11.
A lot of people like him for his administration of New York through the 90s. He is credited for, and is of course now trying to take more credit for, "cleaning up" the city, in image as well as in actual numbers. (It has been pointed out that this perception might be actually more true among outsiders than New Yorkers, who have as DarkAngel pointed out had eight years to get to know him. On the other hand, despite what New Yorkers may like to believe, there are a lot more American voters living outside of the city than in it.)
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I'd vote for Ron Paul on the meta-idea that if he got elected, politicians would start telling us what they want to do, instead of waffling on every issue and not having a stance.
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Ron Paul is running around teaming up with fascists and posing as a libertarian, so let me be a tad skeptical about whether Ron Paul is going to be the posterchild for honesty in politics...
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Well, there's the incurable insanity. I'm not so fond of that.
(i also don't like universal healthcare)
You obviously are completely biased in your opinions about Ron Paul so I'm not going to try anymore, but how is he posing as a libertarian?
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you're just a flamer. You have presented no clear evidence showing Ron Paul is a so called "fascist". I suggest you watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k
It's a 10 minute clip of Ron Paul on the Morton Downey Jr. Show back in 1988.
Anyway, I assume that you're some kind of leftist (anarcho-syndicalist, maybe?) and that your opposition to Ron Paul comes from his support of corporations. Let it be known that Ron Paul is not a corporatist. Dr. Paul wants to cut corporate welfare. He wants to eliminate the bond between the government and the business world. This is perhaps the antithesis of the fascist economic policies implemented by the Nazis and the Italian regime in the 1930s and 1940s.
In addition, Ron Paul considers himself to be a civil libertarian. If you watch the clip, you'll see the Congressman Paul is avidly opposed to the "war on drugs". In the past, he spoke out against the suspension of the writ of habeus corpes and voted 'no' to regulate the internet.
Do you regard him as a fascist because he is a Christian?
On a side note regarding the Gold Standard. Ron Paul doesn't want to eliminate the IRS and Federal Reserve overnight. He essentially wants to "legalize" gold and silver, thereby making it legal to pay off debts with them. I don't fully understand it, but there are two schools of economics that supports going back to the gold standard (chicago and austrian) and both have many brilliant minds. <-- this was in response to a post on page two where the author made the point that "any economist will tell you that the Gold Standard would be bad.."
By the way, I applaud anarcho-syndicalism, DarkAngel, and respect it as a philosophy. I'd just like to point out that your syndicalist society could easily exist within a "free market" anarchy. With no official currency your communes would be free to trade with each other without having to pay a tax to any government. Bakunin's Dream?