My conention is that the (difficult to prove, yet intuitively true) problem is that the officers weren't treating this guy the same based on his race. And the unfavorable treatment I'm talking about takes place before the video starts. The video doesn't capture the fact that this kid was seleceted or a random screening on the basis of race or the fact that they took him to be a threat on the basis of race.
According to the LA times article, this was not a random screening, as all students in the library past a certain time are checked for ID.
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They shouldn't threaten to taser somebody that's clearly not doing anything wrong. "Wait until this problem is solved and I will give you my badge number" would be an appropriate response. Threatening innocent bystanders who are merely asking you for YOUR identification is wrong.
When I was watching the video, the only other student threatened with tasering was the guy who looked like he was trying to pick a fight. I could have easily missed other threats, though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
When I was watching the video, the only other student threatened with tasering was the guy who looked like he was trying to pick a fight. I could have easily missed other threats, though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, I watched the video a few days ago so I don't quite remember exactly who and what the situation was when the officers threatened, but I rembember it being more than once. Of course, I could be wrong on that too...I don't reallyhave the time to go watch the whole video again, but i do remember that the cops threatening bystanders more than once.
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They shouldn't threaten to taser somebody that's clearly not doing anything wrong. "Wait until this problem is solved and I will give you my badge number" would be an appropriate response. Threatening innocent bystanders who are merely asking you for YOUR identification is wrong.
And let me guess, the cops should shoot to wound people, too?
Please. In the heat of the moment, in the midst of a tense conflict, if some yahoo is in your face giving you lip about your badge number, threatening to taser the dumb bastard is perfectly fine. The police need to be concerned with their own safety and the safety of innocent bystanders, and if they feel someone is threatening either or both of those, it is appropriate for them to respond with threats of force. The police did nothing wrong here.
And let me guess, the cops should shoot to wound people, too?
Please. In the heat of the moment, in the midst of a tense conflict, if some yahoo is in your face giving you lip about your badge number, threatening to taser the dumb bastard is perfectly fine. The police need to be concerned with their own safety and the safety of innocent bystanders, and if they feel someone is threatening either or both of those, it is appropriate for them to respond with threats of force. The police did nothing wrong here.
Asking for a badge number is not threatening, and doesn't threaten anybody's safety in anyway. It's completely wrong for a cop to just go off threatening people who are exercising rights that they have.
And exercising such a right doesn't make one a "dumb bastard."
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Asking for a badge number is not threatening, and doesn't threaten anybody's safety in anyway. It's completely wrong for a cop to just go off threatening people who are exercising rights that they have.
Again, one of the people asking for the badge was within inches of one of the cops with his fists clenched and arms waving. It looked to me like he was trying to intimidate the cop and I was only watching a video shot quite some distance away. Keep in mind that the trespasser was initially refusing to leave and was trying to get other people to join him in fighting off the cops. Then, after the trespasser was tasered, a bunch of people followed the cops, yelling and screaming.
How did they (the cops) know that the crowd was not going to decide to jump in?
In a high-stress confrontational situation like this, the cops do not have a legal or moral obligation to assume that someone in their face waving their fists will not take violent action, especially when a call to violence has been made by someone being taken into police custody.
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Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. Guns just make them move really, really fast.
Asking for a badge number is not threatening, and doesn't threaten anybody's safety in anyway.
That depends on the manner in which one asks. Politely requesting a badge number from a police officer is fine. Getting all up in the cop's grill, looking like you want to take a swing, yelling and demanding things, and doing all of this aftger a physical confrontation and incitement to riot, is extremely ill-advised. A police officer in this situation would be quite justified in feeling that his safety was being threatened, and should respond with the threat of force.
It's completely wrong for a cop to just go off threatening people who are exercising rights that they have.
Exercising rights isn't holy. Someone can be a complete douchebag while exercising their rights.
And exercising such a right doesn't make one a "dumb bastard."
In this situation, the manner in which the right was exercised leads me to conclude that the person in question was indeed a dumb bastard, and is probably fourtunate he didn't get tasered for his general dumbassery.
According to the LA times article, this was not a random screening, as all students in the library past a certain time are checked for ID.
When I was watching the video, the only other student threatened with tasering was the guy who looked like he was trying to pick a fight. I could have easily missed other threats, though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, I watched the video a few days ago so I don't quite remember exactly who and what the situation was when the officers threatened, but I rembember it being more than once. Of course, I could be wrong on that too...I don't reallyhave the time to go watch the whole video again, but i do remember that the cops threatening bystanders more than once.
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And let me guess, the cops should shoot to wound people, too?
Please. In the heat of the moment, in the midst of a tense conflict, if some yahoo is in your face giving you lip about your badge number, threatening to taser the dumb bastard is perfectly fine. The police need to be concerned with their own safety and the safety of innocent bystanders, and if they feel someone is threatening either or both of those, it is appropriate for them to respond with threats of force. The police did nothing wrong here.
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Asking for a badge number is not threatening, and doesn't threaten anybody's safety in anyway. It's completely wrong for a cop to just go off threatening people who are exercising rights that they have.
And exercising such a right doesn't make one a "dumb bastard."
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Again, one of the people asking for the badge was within inches of one of the cops with his fists clenched and arms waving. It looked to me like he was trying to intimidate the cop and I was only watching a video shot quite some distance away. Keep in mind that the trespasser was initially refusing to leave and was trying to get other people to join him in fighting off the cops. Then, after the trespasser was tasered, a bunch of people followed the cops, yelling and screaming.
How did they (the cops) know that the crowd was not going to decide to jump in?
In a high-stress confrontational situation like this, the cops do not have a legal or moral obligation to assume that someone in their face waving their fists will not take violent action, especially when a call to violence has been made by someone being taken into police custody.
That depends on the manner in which one asks. Politely requesting a badge number from a police officer is fine. Getting all up in the cop's grill, looking like you want to take a swing, yelling and demanding things, and doing all of this aftger a physical confrontation and incitement to riot, is extremely ill-advised. A police officer in this situation would be quite justified in feeling that his safety was being threatened, and should respond with the threat of force.
Exercising rights isn't holy. Someone can be a complete douchebag while exercising their rights.
In this situation, the manner in which the right was exercised leads me to conclude that the person in question was indeed a dumb bastard, and is probably fourtunate he didn't get tasered for his general dumbassery.
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