Alright, so yesterday our teahcer mentioned a person coming around to classrooms the next day(today, for all you slow people), to collect one dollar from each person in the class(For the tsunami). Somebody spoke up "Screw that" and the teacher was quite taken aback. She got quite angry("ExCUSE me?!), and sombody else said "Why should we give our money to them", and she was again taken aback. She said something like "I hope you change your mind by tommorow", and in the midst, I said that I didn't want to give up any of my money.
Now, jump to today's class. At the start of class, a minute ro so after the bell, once everybody was settled, she stood in front of the class and started talking "Yesterday I got a very bad feeling. I think it's the worst I've ever felt since I started teaching. I thought it would go away, but when I woke up today, it was still there, and it still is now(afternoon class). I asked her waht we did, and she started talking about the day before, and said I was part of it, and that she was saddened by our comments. I spoke up saying that I didn't see why it was such a big deal. She told me that everybody should give a dollar. So, now, I was kind of frsterated and went on a little rant "Why should I give them my money? It's MY money, and I can do what i want with it, I shouldn't be judged for it"
She responded "I think it's really wrong how you refuse to give up one little dollar for the relief effort"
I was quite frusterated now: "I really don't appreciate how you're judging me on my opinion like this. It's my money, and it's my opinion that I don't think i should have to spend any of it if I don't want to."
She had the guts to say "That's really bad. You're beliefs are wrong"
I was angry now "Who are you to judge my beliefs? It's a free country, and I'm excercising my right to an opinion. i should not be prejudiced against just because I think different from you."
She basically told me to be quiet so we could start class.
Who's side would you be on?
This is one of the most pathetic and disgusting things I've ever heard.
People are dying like flies over there, from disease, starvation, thirst, exposure, injuries, and you begrudge sending a single dollar simply on the principle that 100% belongs to you should be put to use to satisfy your own petty wants and desires? You're taking superficial, self-absorbed hedonism to a new level.
And what exactly did you do to merit this money? Did you actually lift a finger on your own to earn it at a job, or did your parents give it to you? What is the factor that makes you deserve intrinsically to possess this money, whereas those who truly need it are going without and dying because of it?
You're being vain, prideful, and petty. Because your teacher didn't ask as politely as you'd like, you allow the victims of the Tsunami to pay the price. You wonder why she was shocked by your refusal? Perhaps it had something to do with the thousands of dead and dying men, women, and children you're turning your back on, to satisfy your vanity and hubris.
You say you dislike being judged. You're angry that you were embarassed in front of your classmates. And so you lashed out in a thoughtless act of retaliation to assert your law-given rights to your precious dollar, took your symbolic, gallant stand defending the altar of materialism and self-righteous snobbery, and wallowed in the blood of countless strangers running down it in a crimson tide.
Your rights of speech were not infringed upon. She's the teacher, and you're the student. She speaks, and you have to listen, that's how the world works. You were embarassed, insulted that she took your charity for granted, when you should be complimented by the fact that she assumed you weren't enough of an arrogant prick to refuse.
You were upset because she was "judging you". "What right does anyone have to judge someone else?", you may ask. You're probably thinking the exact same thing right now, about this post. But you know, condemning and judging people happens in lots of different ways. For instance, you sent a clear message to everyone in Southeast Asia that you don't give a sh*t about them, that they're worthless to you, and their lives mean absolutely nothing. How's that for judging people? What gives you the right to judge them in that way?
Look. I know you were trying to stand up for yourself. I know you probably didn't realize how much a dollar can mean to those people right now, that it's the difference between life and death. But as human beings, whenever we judge others as worthless and turn our backs on them and look after only ourselves, the world becomes a darker, lonelier, and colder place to live in. If we can't help each other in our hours of greatest need, even if it's only strangers who we know nothing about, we're still committing the gravest of offenses by neglecting our duty to our fellow man, and woman, and child.
You may say that you didn't cause the tsunami, that you're not responsible for it, or for any of their deaths. To an extent, that's true. But it's also true that when you were given the chance to save a life, you refused. When you had the chance to show compassion and kindness when it was most desperately needed, you failed. When you had the opportunity to help show the world that there's a part of you that's noble, altruistic, selfless, and responsible enough to help your fellow man, you instead showed how depraved and dark the world can be.
Prove me wrong. Show me that I misjudged you. Do something besides watch them die. If not for their sake, for your own, so that when you wake up in the morning you won't have to look at your face in the mirror and see someone who was too proud and stubborn and cold to help save the lives of the dying when he had the chance.
DOTP, are you an American? Because if you are, you are a perfecrt example of why most of the world Hates americans. Do you know what the natives of the countries who got hit by teh Tsunami did fo the tourists, they helped them, the natives, the one's who actaully LOST everything they had, gave up stuff, to aid foreign tourists, who had cushy homes, in richer countries to go back to. you, who lives in a country (even if its not america) that is much better off than any of the ones facing this tragedy ont he front line, refuse to give up a single dollar to help. You are a disgusting human being, and I'm ashamed to share the planet with you.
I understand arguing principles, i do it, often, but in a case liek this, for something so serious, and tragic, you have to get over yourself and prove that you are not a souless, void of humanity.
Azrael, the tsunami is not the point of this. It's DotP who can decide what he wants. Obviously, it would be nice to donate money, but the point is that his teacher explicitly stated that his beliefs were wrong, which isn't good.
ZONEACE, we aren't discussing the principle of donating money or not.
Edit: yes, it probably would have been more desirable to have talked to the teacher privately, but that's...besides the point.
I admit I'm opposed to the concept of 'forced charity' myself; but that's not what this is. It's merely encouragement. I suspect that if DotP had spoken to his teacher in private and said that he didn't want to donate, that she would not have reacted as she did. As it was, he put on an air of bravado to try and impress his classmates with his indulgent materialism and provoked the reaction; certainly, the teacher overreacted, but it's unsusprising that she was so taken aback by DotP's blatant selfishness.
Anyway, I'd say more, but Azrael > me so I'll leave it at that.
I suspect that if DotP had spoken to his teacher in private and said that he didn't want to donate, that she would not have reacted as she did. As it was, he put on an air of bravado to try and impress his classmates with his indulgent materialism and provoked the reaction; certainly, the teacher overreacted, but it's unsusprising that she was so taken aback by DotP's blatant selfishness.
Exactly, he acted like a total ass, and as a result, was put in his place. he derserves no sympathy or consoling, or anything, he got what he derserved for being a prick. It's disgusting.
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Nope, sadly Zoneace, DotP is from Canada. But it's funny you thought he was American from his attitude. Poor America, all stereotyped.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go start a fire. My igloo is cold and my pet polar bear needs to go for a walk.
poor america? Im sorry, im an american, we really don't derserve sympathy, most of us are heartless money grubbing, soul suckers. WE drain every other country, and do everything possible to promote our selves, no matter what the cost.
Azrael, the tsunami is not the point of this. It's DotP who can decide what he wants. Obviously, it would be nice to donate money, but the point is that his teacher explicitly stated that his beliefs were wrong, which isn't good.
/agree
I said this earlier, but apparently, people don't listen. For the sake of argument, the teacher asked him to give to charity X. Specifics are just diluting the argument.
Exactly, he acted like a total ass, and as a result, was put in his place. he derserves no sympathy or consoling, or anything, he got what he derserved for being a prick. It's disgusting.
So I can call you a total ass and you don't deserve any sympathy?
Yes, donating money to it is great but...blah, just refer to my previous post.
I hate people that are able to werk who leeches off wellfare, I mean, if you're disabled or orphan thats ok, but if you CAN work but just doesnt want to, you're lazy, besides, they probably brought it onto themselves when instead of doing studies were off to nightclubs and partying.
I heard a rumor that most charities only spend 3/10 of the money they get for the unfortunate, and the rest is used to pay for TV commercials, workers and other stuff
You should donate, but your teacher has no right to force you to.
This has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever in any way, shape, or form, with any topic resembling to the smallest iota the one that is at hand. The question is: Should he give money to people who's lives have been destroyed by a force completely outside of their control? It has nothing to do with whether governmental welfare in a general sense is justified or not.
Azrael: A fairly brilliant response. /barning the 1 post guy.
Nowhere in Dragon's response does it say the teacher forced him to give a dollar away. As the teacher, she could not legally or ethically force him to give away money, and she did not. What it boils down to (aside from whether or not he should have donated money, which seems to already have been adressed,) is whether she has the right to tell him he is wrong.
I say yes, she does.
Dragon started the argument by effectively telling her that she was "wrong," that her views on the donation shouldn't apply to him. If he has the right to tell her her views are wrong, she has the right to tell him the same.
Even if she did so explicitly, and he did so implicitly, they are both guilty of trampling the others' opinion.
In America we have freedom of speech. That includes the freedom to disagree with someone, respectfully or not.
Now here's the question I want everyone who made this argument to answer: Why can't the teacher tell a student he's wrong? People do it all the time in the real world. Opinions are not sacred, they are nothing more than points of view, and we have every right to attempt to change or refute them.
So I can call you a total ass and you don't deserve any sympathy?
Yes, donating money to it is great but...blah, just refer to my previous post.
Then what are we discussing, he refused, out right refused, stating that his money was his own and they didn't deserve. I fail to see why we aren't discussing this. God i hate human beings, they are so ****ing petty, and self absorbed.
/agree
I said this earlier, but apparently, people don't listen. For the sake of argument, the teacher asked him to give to charity X. Specifics are just diluting the argument.
Exactly. She asked him. She didn't hold his arm behind his back and force him to. This conflict was brought about because of his reaction to the request; her response was clearly simply brought about by her shock at his actions, and while what she said was clearly out of line (no teacher would tell a student their beliefs are wrong if they weren't upset), so was the way DotP acted.
Then what are we discussing, he refused, out right refused, stating that his money was his own and they didn't deserve. I fail to see why we aren't discussing this. God i hate human beings, they are so ****ing petty, and self absorbed.
Hoo boy. You people just don't listen, do you.
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what she said was clearly out of line
THAT is what we're discussing. Whether or not DotP was right, or stupid, or whatever, is a different issue.
Exactly. She asked him. She didn't hold his arm behind his back and force him to. This conflict was brought about because of his reaction to the request; her response was clearly simply brought about by her shock at his actions, and while what she said was clearly out of line (no teacher would tell a student their beliefs are wrong if they weren't upset), so was the way DotP acted.
Besides, it's one measly dollar.
Okay, we all can agree that DotP probably should've just sucked it up and donated. Now this has just become a repetitious thread.
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The question is: Should he give money to people who's lives have been destroyed by a force completely outside of their control?
No it's not. The question is: Does anyone have the right to claim another's beliefs are "wrong"?
That is in essence what DotP is asking. Morals and values come in afterwards.
This thread really shouldn't continue with its rate of growth.
THAT is what we're discussing. Whether or not DotP was right, or stupid, or whatever, is a different issue.
what he did was out of line too. Interupting the class, esentially telling the teacher she was wrong. Acting like a ****ing 3 year old. How are any of these things ok? why are we letting DotP off the hook, when he too is at fault?
Originally Posted by JaresTaimet The question is: Should he give money to people who's lives have been destroyed by a force completely outside of their control?
No it's not. The question is: Does anyone have the right to claim another's beliefs are "wrong"?
That is in essence what DotP is asking. Morals and values come in afterwards.
You took my quote completely out of context, and you ignored the second 2/3 of my post which deal with the exact subject you told me to write on.
The fact that I feel it neccessary to post this does, however, prove Hobbit's point that this thread is degenerating.
what he did was out of line too. Interupting the class, esentially telling the teacher she was wrong. Acting like a ****ing 3 year old. How are any of these things ok? why are we letting DotP off the hook, when he too is at fault?
If this thread was called "Judge DotP's actions" then yes, we're letting him off the hook. But it's not. So, just stop.
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You took my quote completely out of context, and you ignored the second 2/3 of my post which deal with the exact subject you told me to write on.
Sorry about that. I'm just quite frustrated with this thread and was a little hasty. But the fact is, that exact thing has been sayed by a few others, I was just faulty in who I quoted.
The question is: Does anyone have the right to claim another's beliefs are "wrong"?
How about, should anyone have the right to ignore the dying for the sake of hubris, hedonism, and the fact that they are only faceless strangers to you until you come face to face with them?
If this thread was called "Judge DotP's actions" then yes, we're letting him off the hook. But it's not. So, just stop.
I'm sorry, but if we are gonna lay into this teacher for over stepping, then we must also lay into DotP. I mean, there's a difference between freedom of thouhgt in school and being childish and combative, IN SCHOOL.
Sing lustily and with good courage.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
THAT is what we're discussing. Whether or not DotP was right, or stupid, or whatever, is a different issue.
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Who's side would you be on?
Sorry, I think I missed the part where you gained the ability to define, to the letter, what we were allowed to discuss in a particular thread
Actually, one of the main points from the original post that I haven't really seen discussed yet is DotP's point that "he shouldn't be judged" for his actions. Excuse me? Why should you be exempt from judgement? Because you're 16? Because it's your teacher? You know, teachers, the people that judge and assess your work and you.
The teacher had every right to tell you your beliefs are wrong. After all, if you believe this is a freedom issue, why is your freedom to spend you dollar as you chose any more valid than her (his?) freedom of speech? Ok, you have a right to be stingy, myopic, and tight with your money. But she has the right to tell you what you are doing is wrong. What makes her opinion of what you should do with your money any less valid than yours, since we are talking about the free exchange of moral values here, not of the actual $1.00? Before this unravels into a "what's wrong with the way teachers coddle students in school these days" tyrade," let me try and make this clear.
You have the right to withold your money from whatever charitible organizations ask for it. They likewise have the right to ask for it. Your freedom to withold your money does not mean that you should, nor does it make you any less "wrong" for doing so. You have the right to be "wrong," and your teacher has a right to tell you she thinks that you are.
EDIT: If you can give me one better way you should spend that dollar, I will recind the previous statement. Note that I ask for a better way to spend the dollar, not what you think is a better way, as this is likewise subjective.
In my mind, discussing the morals of both sides is applicable in this situation if only because it informs the motivations of both parties. Both DotP and his teacher are up for grabs since his initial post asked us to discuss exactly whose side we'd be on and why. So, in that vein, discussing who is right or wrong and why, though completely inconsequential in the situation itself, helps to determine who we feel was just.
As far as I'm concerned, both parties faltered in some way. DotP for loudly and IMO disrespectfully denying the teacher instead of going to her in private and explaining his reasons for not wanting to donate (whatever those reasons are). The teacher, I think was not in error for telling DotP his opinion was wrong, but for doing it in front of a whole class. Though DotP left himself open for it by voicing his opinion in front of everyone, I just don't like it when teachers humiliate students in public.
The teacher had every right to tell you your beliefs are wrong. After all, if you believe this is a freedom issue, why is your freedom to spend you dollar as you chose any more valid than her (his?) freedom of speech? Ok, you have a right to be stingy, myopic, and tight with your money. But she has the right to tell you what you are doing is wrong. What makes her opinion of what you should do with your money any less valid than yours, since we are talking about the free exchange of moral values here, not of the actual $1.00? Before this unravels into a "what's wrong with the way teachers coddle students in school these days" tyrade," let me try and make this clear.
Huzzah, you win. you hit the nail on the proverbial head with that. if this an issue of free thought and expression of that thought, then the teachers opinion, and expression of it is no less valuble than your infantile maoney grubbing.
In my mind, discussing the morals of both sides is applicable in this situation if only because it informs the motivations of both parties. Both DotP and his teacher are up for grabs since his initial post asked us to discuss exactly whose side we'd be on and why. So, in that vein, discussing who is right or wrong and why, though completely inconsequential in the situation itself, helps to determine who we feel was just.
As far as I'm concerned, both parties faltered in some way. DotP for loudly and IMO disrespectfully denying the teacher instead of going to her in private and explaining his reasons for not wanting to donate (whatever those reasons are). The teacher, I think was not in error for telling DotP his opinion was wrong, but for doing it in front of a whole class. Though DotP left himself open for it by voicing his opinion in front of everyone, I just don't like it when teachers humiliate students in public.
I admire that she had the nerve to be honest with him. I don't see it as a malicious act, I view it as her trying to pound the truth of the matter into his thick, unyielding skull. Was it painful for him? Yes. But oftentimes, experiencing pain is one of the best ways for us to learn, and to be able to correct our mistakes in the future.
This is one of the most pathetic and disgusting things I've ever heard.
People are dying like flies over there, from disease, starvation, thirst, exposure, injuries, and you begrudge sending a single dollar simply on the principle that 100% belongs to you should be put to use to satisfy your own petty wants and desires? You're taking superficial, self-absorbed hedonism to a new level.
And what exactly did you do to merit this money? Did you actually lift a finger on your own to earn it at a job, or did your parents give it to you? What is the factor that makes you deserve intrinsically to possess this money, whereas those who truly need it are going without and dying because of it?
You're being vain, prideful, and petty. Because your teacher didn't ask as politely as you'd like, you allow the victims of the Tsunami to pay the price. You wonder why she was shocked by your refusal? Perhaps it had something to do with the thousands of dead and dying men, women, and children you're turning your back on, to satisfy your vanity and hubris.
You say you dislike being judged. You're angry that you were embarassed in front of your classmates. And so you lashed out in a thoughtless act of retaliation to assert your law-given rights to your precious dollar, took your symbolic, gallant stand defending the altar of materialism and self-righteous snobbery, and wallowed in the blood of countless strangers running down it in a crimson tide.
Your rights of speech were not infringed upon. She's the teacher, and you're the student. She speaks, and you have to listen, that's how the world works. You were embarassed, insulted that she took your charity for granted, when you should be complimented by the fact that she assumed you weren't enough of an arrogant prick to refuse.
You were upset because she was "judging you". "What right does anyone have to judge someone else?", you may ask. You're probably thinking the exact same thing right now, about this post. But you know, condemning and judging people happens in lots of different ways. For instance, you sent a clear message to everyone in Southeast Asia that you don't give a sh*t about them, that they're worthless to you, and their lives mean absolutely nothing. How's that for judging people? What gives you the right to judge them in that way?
Look. I know you were trying to stand up for yourself. I know you probably didn't realize how much a dollar can mean to those people right now, that it's the difference between life and death. But as human beings, whenever we judge others as worthless and turn our backs on them and look after only ourselves, the world becomes a darker, lonelier, and colder place to live in. If we can't help each other in our hours of greatest need, even if it's only strangers who we know nothing about, we're still committing the gravest of offenses by neglecting our duty to our fellow man, and woman, and child.
You may say that you didn't cause the tsunami, that you're not responsible for it, or for any of their deaths. To an extent, that's true. But it's also true that when you were given the chance to save a life, you refused. When you had the chance to show compassion and kindness when it was most desperately needed, you failed. When you had the opportunity to help show the world that there's a part of you that's noble, altruistic, selfless, and responsible enough to help your fellow man, you instead showed how depraved and dark the world can be.
Prove me wrong. Show me that I misjudged you. Do something besides watch them die. If not for their sake, for your own, so that when you wake up in the morning you won't have to look at your face in the mirror and see someone who was too proud and stubborn and cold to help save the lives of the dying when he had the chance.
I understand arguing principles, i do it, often, but in a case liek this, for something so serious, and tragic, you have to get over yourself and prove that you are not a souless, void of humanity.
DotP
Plastik
ZONEACE, we aren't discussing the principle of donating money or not.
Edit: yes, it probably would have been more desirable to have talked to the teacher privately, but that's...besides the point.
Anyway, I'd say more, but Azrael > me so I'll leave it at that.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go start a fire. My igloo is cold and my pet polar bear needs to go for a walk.
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Exactly, he acted like a total ass, and as a result, was put in his place. he derserves no sympathy or consoling, or anything, he got what he derserved for being a prick. It's disgusting.
poor america? Im sorry, im an american, we really don't derserve sympathy, most of us are heartless money grubbing, soul suckers. WE drain every other country, and do everything possible to promote our selves, no matter what the cost.
DotP
Plastik
/agree
I said this earlier, but apparently, people don't listen. For the sake of argument, the teacher asked him to give to charity X. Specifics are just diluting the argument.
So I can call you a total ass and you don't deserve any sympathy?
Yes, donating money to it is great but...blah, just refer to my previous post.
This has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever in any way, shape, or form, with any topic resembling to the smallest iota the one that is at hand. The question is: Should he give money to people who's lives have been destroyed by a force completely outside of their control? It has nothing to do with whether governmental welfare in a general sense is justified or not.
Azrael: A fairly brilliant response. /barning the 1 post guy.
Nowhere in Dragon's response does it say the teacher forced him to give a dollar away. As the teacher, she could not legally or ethically force him to give away money, and she did not. What it boils down to (aside from whether or not he should have donated money, which seems to already have been adressed,) is whether she has the right to tell him he is wrong.
I say yes, she does.
Dragon started the argument by effectively telling her that she was "wrong," that her views on the donation shouldn't apply to him. If he has the right to tell her her views are wrong, she has the right to tell him the same.
Even if she did so explicitly, and he did so implicitly, they are both guilty of trampling the others' opinion.
In America we have freedom of speech. That includes the freedom to disagree with someone, respectfully or not.
Now here's the question I want everyone who made this argument to answer: Why can't the teacher tell a student he's wrong? People do it all the time in the real world. Opinions are not sacred, they are nothing more than points of view, and we have every right to attempt to change or refute them.
Then what are we discussing, he refused, out right refused, stating that his money was his own and they didn't deserve. I fail to see why we aren't discussing this. God i hate human beings, they are so ****ing petty, and self absorbed.
DotP
Plastik
Exactly. She asked him. She didn't hold his arm behind his back and force him to. This conflict was brought about because of his reaction to the request; her response was clearly simply brought about by her shock at his actions, and while what she said was clearly out of line (no teacher would tell a student their beliefs are wrong if they weren't upset), so was the way DotP acted.
Besides, it's one measly dollar.
Hoo boy. You people just don't listen, do you.
THAT is what we're discussing. Whether or not DotP was right, or stupid, or whatever, is a different issue.
Okay, we all can agree that DotP probably should've just sucked it up and donated. Now this has just become a repetitious thread.
No it's not. The question is: Does anyone have the right to claim another's beliefs are "wrong"?
That is in essence what DotP is asking. Morals and values come in afterwards.
This thread really shouldn't continue with its rate of growth.
*cough*
Sorry, forgot this was a serious thread.
..my bad.
Now imagine life without it...
what he did was out of line too. Interupting the class, esentially telling the teacher she was wrong. Acting like a ****ing 3 year old. How are any of these things ok? why are we letting DotP off the hook, when he too is at fault?
Flame warning. -Senori
DotP
Plastik
You took my quote completely out of context, and you ignored the second 2/3 of my post which deal with the exact subject you told me to write on.
The fact that I feel it neccessary to post this does, however, prove Hobbit's point that this thread is degenerating.
If this thread was called "Judge DotP's actions" then yes, we're letting him off the hook. But it's not. So, just stop.
Sorry about that. I'm just quite frustrated with this thread and was a little hasty. But the fact is, that exact thing has been sayed by a few others, I was just faulty in who I quoted.
How about, should anyone have the right to ignore the dying for the sake of hubris, hedonism, and the fact that they are only faceless strangers to you until you come face to face with them?
I'm sorry, but if we are gonna lay into this teacher for over stepping, then we must also lay into DotP. I mean, there's a difference between freedom of thouhgt in school and being childish and combative, IN SCHOOL.
DotP
Plastik
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Sorry, I think I missed the part where you gained the ability to define, to the letter, what we were allowed to discuss in a particular thread
Actually, one of the main points from the original post that I haven't really seen discussed yet is DotP's point that "he shouldn't be judged" for his actions. Excuse me? Why should you be exempt from judgement? Because you're 16? Because it's your teacher? You know, teachers, the people that judge and assess your work and you.
You have the right to withold your money from whatever charitible organizations ask for it. They likewise have the right to ask for it. Your freedom to withold your money does not mean that you should, nor does it make you any less "wrong" for doing so. You have the right to be "wrong," and your teacher has a right to tell you she thinks that you are.
EDIT: If you can give me one better way you should spend that dollar, I will recind the previous statement. Note that I ask for a better way to spend the dollar, not what you think is a better way, as this is likewise subjective.
As far as I'm concerned, both parties faltered in some way. DotP for loudly and IMO disrespectfully denying the teacher instead of going to her in private and explaining his reasons for not wanting to donate (whatever those reasons are). The teacher, I think was not in error for telling DotP his opinion was wrong, but for doing it in front of a whole class. Though DotP left himself open for it by voicing his opinion in front of everyone, I just don't like it when teachers humiliate students in public.
Archatmos
Excellion
Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
Huzzah, you win. you hit the nail on the proverbial head with that. if this an issue of free thought and expression of that thought, then the teachers opinion, and expression of it is no less valuble than your infantile maoney grubbing.
DotP
Plastik
I admire that she had the nerve to be honest with him. I don't see it as a malicious act, I view it as her trying to pound the truth of the matter into his thick, unyielding skull. Was it painful for him? Yes. But oftentimes, experiencing pain is one of the best ways for us to learn, and to be able to correct our mistakes in the future.
Also, the debate continues here as well, for those who are interested: http://misetings.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11364&page=1&pp=15