This thread is for the discussion of Morningstar81's latest article, Legacy Analysis: Two Rings to Rule Them All. Due to technical issues the thread that is normally created when an article is published didn't occur, so I have created this thread to allow you to talk about it. As always, please keep your comments on topic.
The "split card" comparison is not entirely accurate, because it doesn't consider that you gain 2 loyalty every time you play one of your "split cards". 3 mana Cruel Edict with double proliferate on it starts to get kind of attractive.
Maybe he skips that bit since damage often comes in multiples of threes in legacy? But it still seems relevant.
Just a small thing really there's lots of other keen observations. I like his skepticism regarding ultimates.
Since the new ruling came out I have been trying to explain this exactly to my friends, but am not as eloquent with words. Now I can just link them to this and show them why they are freaking out over relatively nothing.
I also don't see why this new rule has caused Gaea's Cradle to spike so much. Based on your very sound reasoning it becomes marginally better, but for some reason is now twice the price. I am telling all my friends who have them to unload them now and buy them back in 6 months when people realize the new rule doesn't make them as amazing as all the hype.
the rule came up recently while playtesting my Stoneblade deck with a friend. I wouldn't have killed him but i "double" activated elspeths pump effect and drove him into lethal damage. It was a play that if the new rule had not of existed would have won him the match as he could have killed me the next turn. It will have a big effect on all formats.
T4 cast Jace - Jacestorm
T5 Jacestorm, cast Jace, Jacestorm
Your board was a Jace @3 loyalty before casting the second Jace and is a Jace @3 loyalty afterwards. Your 4 mana have netted you one Jacestorm and zero loyalty.
T4 cast Jace - Unsummon
T5 Unsummon, cast Jace, Jacestorm
Here your 4 mana do net you one Jacestorm and 2 loyalty, but this is one scenario, not every time.
T3 cast Liliana - Edict; T4 Discard, cast Liliana, Edict
or
T3 Discard, T4 Edict, Edict
or
T3 Discard, T4 Discard, Discard
In all 3 scenarios your 3 mana net you an Edict or a Discard, but at the cost of 1 loyalty, as your second Liliana will end up with one counter less than your first.
You do gain 2 loyalty by going T3 Discard, T4 Edict, Discard, but again that is one scenario, not every time.
Sure, there are other scenarios where you can end up with more loyalty than what you started with. But since there is no general rule, I thought it best not to overcomplicate the analysis.
In any case, thanks for your feedback.
Yeah, my post originally said "up to", but I kept modifying it sentence structure and stuff and qualifier got left out.
Redirecting damage to the walkers would be the most common way of getting extra loyalty.
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Maybe he skips that bit since damage often comes in multiples of threes in legacy? But it still seems relevant.
Just a small thing really there's lots of other keen observations. I like his skepticism regarding ultimates.
I also don't see why this new rule has caused Gaea's Cradle to spike so much. Based on your very sound reasoning it becomes marginally better, but for some reason is now twice the price. I am telling all my friends who have them to unload them now and buy them back in 6 months when people realize the new rule doesn't make them as amazing as all the hype.
Yeah, my post originally said "up to", but I kept modifying it sentence structure and stuff and qualifier got left out.
Redirecting damage to the walkers would be the most common way of getting extra loyalty.