Alright guys, it's that time of year again. 2007 is coming to a close, and that means we need to determine the ballot for Best Clan Member.
Unlike years prior, however, the Clan Moderators wish to hear your suggestions on who should fill that ballot. In this thread, please post the name of someone you feel has done the most for this forum. There are no guarantees that the person you nominate will make the ballot, but we would still like to hear everyone's input.
Some rules:
-No nominating yourself
-Please add reasoning behind your nominations. This will go a long way in helping us to determine the best candidates.
-Remember, this is for Best Clan Member, not your best buddy. Simply nominating someone because they happen to share your clan is inappropriate.
-Forum Awards are meant to be a form of fun and celebration. In this spirit, please don't comment on who you don't think deserves the award. If you strongly feel that someone that's been nominated doesn't deserve that nomination, feel free to PM one of the Clans Moderators.
Thanks to all of you that give your input,
votan, nan, Yukora.
Do you want one nomination from each clan or should we al just chime in here? And do you want the clan rep to field that if you do want only one vote per clan?
Do you want one nomination from each clan or should we al just chime in here? And do you want the clan rep to field that if you do want only one vote per clan?
This doesn't have anything to do with Clan votes, so representatives are unnecessary. Each individual member has a chance to give us their two cents.
Do the overclans count? I'd like to nominate a Gaymer but I'm not sure if thats allowed.
Most overclan members are also members of other clans.
I'm not exactly sure where the rest of the Clans Moderators stand on this, but since overclans don't count for anything else, I don't think their member base should count for this award.
Do the overclans count? I'd like to nominate a Gaymer but I'm not sure if thats allowed.
That shouldn't matter because the rules state that you can't nominate yourself. They say nothing about not being able to nominate a clanmate. They just don't want that to be the only or main reason to nominate someone, hence the call for an explanation of your nomination. In fact, I imagine many people will be nominating clan mates.
Most overclan members are also members of other clans.
I'm not exactly sure where the rest of the Clans Moderators stand on this, but since overclans don't count for anything else, I don't think their member base should count for this award.
Dang. Can you make an exception in the case of Sakura? Her clan dissolved fairly recently but she's made contributions to numerous other clans as a friend.
I don't think anyone can argue that Sakura hasn't been quite active in this subforum, even if Vagary went under. It would suck if Sakura wasn't eligible simply because her clan petered out and she's active in both of the overclans... very ironic. [and hopefully not true]
Personally I'll nominate Faerie Lord, who is just all over the place and not spamming things up. He really jsut contributes a lot to a number of threads.
Alright, let's try this. Nominate anyone that you think deserves to be nominated for making a positive impact on this forum. Just don't nominate a banned member or yourself.
Based on the input in this thread, and from personal observations, we'll choose the nominees for the 2007 Best Clan Member ballot.
I nominate Alacar Leoricar because of how much he participates in N20, CoffeeHouse, and the P&PI (even tho i know that doesn't count as a clan)... He's done a lot to support me in the running of the Coffeehouse and has helped or entirely set up several activities for many of the members of different clans...
Probably because he is very consistent at providing effort in making natural 20 a good clan. He also makes banners to support the overall theme of natural 20 as well.
Every post that says 'I nominate so and so because they're active in 547852789253(slight exaggeration for effect) Clan threads' makes me wonder if people realize the real spirit of Clans and this award. The idea is that you join a Clan that has like interests as you, and develop friendships with the people of that Clan. This award should go to the person that best embodies that ideal, not to whomever is most proficient at upping their post count by posting in a bunch of Clans that they have noting in common with. Of course, none of the 'new school' of Clans really embody any kind of ideal or principle anyway. But awarding the Best Clan Member to someone along these lines is a mockery of what the award, and the Clan concept, is supposed to mean. Seriously, the way you guys are approaching this, why do we even have Clans? There might as well just be one big thread for people to just sit around and ********/spam constantly. That is *not* what Clans is about. At all.
Anyway, I nominate Hydro. He is a great guy, and perfectly embodies what it means to be Best Clan Member.
Every post that says 'I nominate so and so because they're active in 547852789253(slight exaggeration for effect) Clan threads' makes me wonder if people realize the real spirit of Clans and this award. The idea is that you join a Clan that has like interests as you, and develop friendships with the people of that Clan. This award should go to the person that best embodies that ideal, not to whomever is most proficient at upping their post count by posting in a bunch of Clans that they have noting in common with. Of course, none of the 'new school' of Clans really embody any kind of ideal or principle anyway. But awarding the Best Clan Member to someone along these lines is a mockery of what the award, and the Clan concept, is supposed to mean. Seriously, the way you guys are approaching this, why do we even have Clans? There might as well just be one big thread for people to just sit around and ********/spam constantly. That is *not* what Clans is about. At all.
Anyway, I nominate Hydro. He is a great guy, and perfectly embodies what it means to be Best Clan Member.
My words, Cyan....
It is not surprising to come from a Called member.
In fact, I would like to nominate almost everybody from the Greek Alliance clan, even though our threads are quite quiet recently because of all members including Hydro being pretty busy, but anyway, I am still returning back and checking what is new, because the company of these people is one of the prime reasons why I go to Salvation. That's what the clans are about.
And because my previous post could be misreaded along the lines you stated, I put the emphasis on that RickCorgan is a great person, not that he is active in other clans. Others should nominate in the same way.
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Every post that says 'I nominate so and so because they're active in 547852789253(slight exaggeration for effect) Clan threads' makes me wonder if people realize the real spirit of Clans and this award.
I'm willing to bet that you know what the real spirit of Clans is.
The idea is that you join a Clan that has like interests as you, and develop friendships with the people of that Clan. This award should go to the person that best embodies that ideal, not to whomever is most proficient at upping their post count by posting in a bunch of Clans that they have noting in common with.
And who are you to declare that someone has "nothing in common with" the clans they post in - or to insinuate that they aren't friends with the people in their clans or the clans they are active in? Really, this just sounds like bitter whining.
It's pitiful to complain about someone you aren't close friends with getting nominated or winning [which is what you're saying actually amounts to], so show some ****ing class. The older clans have had their fair share of honors, and have done more than enough *****ing about "inferior clans."
Of course, none of the 'new school' of Clans really embody any kind of ideal or principle anyway.
Quit being a prick. Of course, the Called's [self-proclaimed] ideal is "we're better than you; you can't be a friend of the clan," so I guess the attitude matches. But don't be so obtuse as to expect the majority of the Clan members, who clearly enjoy a very different vision of what a Clan should be, to fall for your absurd elitism.
But awarding the Best Clan Member to someone along these lines is a mockery of what the award, and the Clan concept, is supposed to mean. Seriously, the way you guys are approaching this, why do we even have Clans? There might as well just be one big thread for people to just sit around and ********/spam constantly. That is *not* what Clans is about. At all.
Good Lord, man. Go back on your hormones! Are you really fuming that hard over the fact that there are people who post in multiple clans? Why shouldn't people who have been helpful and friendly and cool to a larger group of people be rewarded by that very samelarger group of people?
It's nigh impossible to complain about someone's class and call them a prick in the same post. That's flaming, and it has earned you an infraction.
Ladies....please....the bickering! As someone who has been around these forums (First MTGNews, then Salvation) for nearly 10 years I have seen the "clan" change form drastically. It used to be that clans were a type of fraternity. People with similar ideals would get together and form a bond, create a thread where they would talk and discuss and argue about many things. A place where the discussion of Magic wasn't the main theme anymore, but actual friendships would form. But like a fraternity, they were exclusive in who they allowed to participate in the "private" conversations. Occasionally there would be "panty raids" where rival clans would prank each other, out of fun and spirit for their clan. The contests were taken fairly seriously....not everyone would participate, but since the clans were "elitist" in a way...each would want to be the best and most creative. Sure you could be a friend of another clan...like going to another frat's party because yours isn't partying right now and you wanna hang out with someone. But your input was limited...because although you were a friend, you weren't a member. It didn't mean you were friend of EVERY clan. There isn't anything wrong with that. It makes the place you post special for you because you're priviledged enough to belong.
The overclans are stupid! They are a place for everyone to up their post count with retarded posts about nothing in particular. Short little quips of non-relevance. I realize some of the less established clans want to survive....but the best way to survive is to become intimate which your clan mates....and the contests are the way to do this. Everyone is busy....I work 40+ hours a week, have a family (kids and all) and still make time to get involved in what happens in MY clan. Why? Because I'm proud to be Called. Say we are elitists......maybe we are....but we feel that a "friends clause" is silly. We never yell at people who post on our threads as long as they are relevant posts.
I know that he is in my clan and he is also a moderator, but I think that Yukora will get my vote. He tries to runs this place, and tries to get everyone involved in the contests. He is active...most of the time...and has become a pretty good clan member himself. I'll get panned for this but I don't give a crap! If I can't vote for a MOD then I say......Shadowlord because he is also very active here and he's not in my clan and I want people to understand that.....oh screw it.....you're gonna think The Called are all elitist because you didn't get picked!:p
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@Wamyc: Maybe should go look up the word 'Clan'. Then, if the definition isn't clear enough, try to understand the context of the word. Then feel free to get back to me when you've taken your foot out of your mouth.
@Caranthir: Don't get on my case, you know I'm right. I personally like RickCorgan, but seriously, he is not the embodiment of what a person in a Clan should aspire to be.
I would say that you guys(Clan posters in general) have lost your way, but that really isn't it. Most of you are too new to have ever known said way in the first place. The meaning and beauty of the Clans forum has become perverted by this crop of people who belong in one Clan, but are friends to 15 others, and post as much as they humanly can in all of them. The fact that Yukora agrees with me is telling, because he used to do the exact same thing.
@Caranthir: Don't get on my case, you know I'm right. I personally like RickCorgan, but seriously, he is not the embodiment of what a person in a Clan should aspire to be.
Easy, bro...I principally agree with almost everything what you have said, my post was intended to be a supportive one. The rest is purely a matter of individual opinion, I am not forcing anyone to vote for anybody... :sweat:.
I agree with jonnyjonski's post as well, and sometimes I really miss the old spirit of this forum.
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@Cyan: I admit, I was wrong. The called is awesome and only you and perhaps your clanmates understand the right way to be a clan member. If only I were worthy to be a member of the called. But I'm not. I'm a friend of Natural 20, Rakdos, House Dimir, and perhaps even others. So I have transgressed and am not, nor ever shall be, worthy to be accepted into your lofty company. I wish you could teach me the right way to be a clan member, but I'm obviously so deficient I would never understand your wisdom.
But at least I can participate in the completely unbiased punishments meted out by your clanmate, Yukora. Since I will never dine at your esteemed table, the most I can hope for its to recieve a righteous spanking that will set me straight. I take pride in being laid low by a man that completely agrees with the idea that there should be strictly imposed limits on how many clans you're allowed to be friends of and that there are so few real clans left. If Only Yukora could hit me in real life. Then I might learn my lesson and stop posting in other clan threads and also stop opposing the will of Called members. And anyone who insinuates that Yukora is a biased party who has no right to infact people on this matter deserves to be banned. Banned and crucified.
So I nominate Cyan. He's the king of awesome with a cherry on top. He should be the best Clan member of the year because he understands how inferior every other clan is. Okay, maybe the Greek Alliance isn't too inferior, but everyone else is! Please vote for Cyan because rakdos, house dimir, natural 20, the simic, the coffeehouse, the gaymers, monoblue and monoblack all suck! And the rest of the clans, like Blame, DarkKnights, and Casual [T], consider yourselves warned! You're only a little bit away from being as horrible as those other poor bastards!
I'm sure I'll get in trouble even if I'm being sarcastic. So I revoke these comments and throw myself at the mods' mercy. Please don't ban me! I'll never have an unacceptable opinion again, I promise! I only ask that you tell me what to think so I know what I'm allowed to believe.
@Cyan: I admit, I was wrong. The called is awesome and only you and perhaps your clanmates understand the right way to be a clan member. If only I were worthy to be a member of the called. But I'm not. I'm a friend of Natural 20, Rakdos, House Dimir, and perhaps even others. So I have transgressed and am not, nor ever shall be, worthy to be accepted into your lofty company. I wish you could teach me the right way to be a clan member, but I'm obviously so deficient I would never understand your wisdom.
But at least I can participate in the completely unbiased punishments meted out by your clanmate, Yukora. Since I will never dine at your esteemed table, the most I can hope for its to recieve a righteous spanking that will set me straight.
So I nominate Cyan. He's the king of awesome with a cherry on top. He should be the best Clan member of the year because he understands how inferior every other clan is. Okay, maybe the Greek Alliance isn't too inferior, but everyone else is! Please vote for Cyan because rakdos, house dimir, natural 20, the simic, the coffeehouse, the gaymers, monoblue and monoblack all suck! And the rest of the clans, like Blame, DarkKnights, and Casual [T], consider yourselves warned! You're only a little bit away from being as horrible as those other poor bastards!
I'm sure I'll get in trouble even if I'm being sarcasitc. So I revoke these comments and throw myself at the mods' mercy. Please don't ban me! I'll never have an unacceptable opinion again, I promise! I only ask that you tell me what to think so I know what I'm allowed to believe.
Duder, serious, it's the internet. Calm yon'self.
I tend to agree with Jonski and Cyan on this one - no, not because they're clanmates. Stop being a broken record. OH MY LAWD, INTERNET BIAS! SHOOP DA WOOP! LOOK AT ME, I'M AN INTERNET XENOPHON (historian severely biased toward sparta, fyi)!
Clans are meant to be a place where you can get to know the small group of people in the clan. Heck, that's why you joined the clan in the first place, isn't it?? Going around to 20,000 friggin clans (yes I used to do this, don't anymore, wah WAH.) just seems to defeat the purpose of it.
Overclans do, aswell. Fair enough for Gaymers because most of the conversation (last time I checked it anyway, months ago) is kinda relevant to the context and idea behind the clan. But the coffeehouse is just like, "LOL DUDERS ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" most of the time. Heck, whenever I posted there I got ignored because people like Alacar and Sakura apparently had more important things to say. It's like that clan IS just a regular clan with 20 gajillion friends. Omna, Arguas, Alacar, Sakura, Mamelon, That person with a name that is way too friggin long, Cecelia or something, Photon Eater, That guy who's name I can't remember who always talks about his fiance, hunter or something, Itinerant Soldier and someone else who I can't remember, foolycooly or something. That's essentially the coffeehouse plus stragglers. Plus we must mention the fact that it's a gigantic drama pimple, threatening to erupt. DUDES YOU IGNORED HIM. I'M LEAVING 4 EVA.
Is this really the spirit of clans????
I vote for rianalnn for his devotion to the clan contests, especially his work in the Mafia one, where he spent alot of time working it all out. Kudos.
NO, THAT ISN'T BIAS EITHER. THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I JOINED THE CALLED.
Unlike years prior, however, the Clan Moderators wish to hear your suggestions on who should fill that ballot. In this thread, please post the name of someone you feel has done the most for this forum. There are no guarantees that the person you nominate will make the ballot, but we would still like to hear everyone's input.
Some rules:
-No nominating yourself
-Please add reasoning behind your nominations. This will go a long way in helping us to determine the best candidates.
-Remember, this is for Best Clan Member, not your best buddy. Simply nominating someone because they happen to share your clan is inappropriate.
-Forum Awards are meant to be a form of fun and celebration. In this spirit, please don't comment on who you don't think deserves the award. If you strongly feel that someone that's been nominated doesn't deserve that nomination, feel free to PM one of the Clans Moderators.
Thanks to all of you that give your input,
votan, nan, Yukora.
This doesn't have anything to do with Clan votes, so representatives are unnecessary. Each individual member has a chance to give us their two cents.
Most overclan members are also members of other clans.
I'm not exactly sure where the rest of the Clans Moderators stand on this, but since overclans don't count for anything else, I don't think their member base should count for this award.
That shouldn't matter because the rules state that you can't nominate yourself. They say nothing about not being able to nominate a clanmate. They just don't want that to be the only or main reason to nominate someone, hence the call for an explanation of your nomination. In fact, I imagine many people will be nominating clan mates.
So nominate away, it seems!
Dang. Can you make an exception in the case of Sakura? Her clan dissolved fairly recently but she's made contributions to numerous other clans as a friend.
Personally I'll nominate Faerie Lord, who is just all over the place and not spamming things up. He really jsut contributes a lot to a number of threads.
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Based on the input in this thread, and from personal observations, we'll choose the nominees for the 2007 Best Clan Member ballot.
Does that work better?
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Probably because he is very consistent at providing effort in making natural 20 a good clan. He also makes banners to support the overall theme of natural 20 as well.
not jsut because of his contributions but because of his dragonforce knowledge
That's a terrible reason to nominate someone. This isn't for "most dragonlance knowledge," it's for "Best clan member."
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Anyway, I nominate Hydro. He is a great guy, and perfectly embodies what it means to be Best Clan Member.
My words, Cyan....
It is not surprising to come from a Called member.
In fact, I would like to nominate almost everybody from the Greek Alliance clan, even though our threads are quite quiet recently because of all members including Hydro being pretty busy, but anyway, I am still returning back and checking what is new, because the company of these people is one of the prime reasons why I go to Salvation. That's what the clans are about.
And because my previous post could be misreaded along the lines you stated, I put the emphasis on that RickCorgan is a great person, not that he is active in other clans. Others should nominate in the same way.
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I'm willing to bet that you know what the real spirit of Clans is.
And who are you to declare that someone has "nothing in common with" the clans they post in - or to insinuate that they aren't friends with the people in their clans or the clans they are active in? Really, this just sounds like bitter whining.
It's pitiful to complain about someone you aren't close friends with getting nominated or winning [which is what you're saying actually amounts to], so show some ****ing class. The older clans have had their fair share of honors, and have done more than enough *****ing about "inferior clans."
Quit being a prick. Of course, the Called's [self-proclaimed] ideal is "we're better than you; you can't be a friend of the clan," so I guess the attitude matches. But don't be so obtuse as to expect the majority of the Clan members, who clearly enjoy a very different vision of what a Clan should be, to fall for your absurd elitism.
Good Lord, man. Go back on your hormones! Are you really fuming that hard over the fact that there are people who post in multiple clans? Why shouldn't people who have been helpful and friendly and cool to a larger group of people be rewarded by that very same larger group of people?
It's nigh impossible to complain about someone's class and call them a prick in the same post. That's flaming, and it has earned you an infraction.
-Yukora
The overclans are stupid! They are a place for everyone to up their post count with retarded posts about nothing in particular. Short little quips of non-relevance. I realize some of the less established clans want to survive....but the best way to survive is to become intimate which your clan mates....and the contests are the way to do this. Everyone is busy....I work 40+ hours a week, have a family (kids and all) and still make time to get involved in what happens in MY clan. Why? Because I'm proud to be Called. Say we are elitists......maybe we are....but we feel that a "friends clause" is silly. We never yell at people who post on our threads as long as they are relevant posts.
I know that he is in my clan and he is also a moderator, but I think that Yukora will get my vote. He tries to runs this place, and tries to get everyone involved in the contests. He is active...most of the time...and has become a pretty good clan member himself. I'll get panned for this but I don't give a crap! If I can't vote for a MOD then I say......Shadowlord because he is also very active here and he's not in my clan and I want people to understand that.....oh screw it.....you're gonna think The Called are all elitist because you didn't get picked!:p
@Caranthir: Don't get on my case, you know I'm right. I personally like RickCorgan, but seriously, he is not the embodiment of what a person in a Clan should aspire to be.
I would say that you guys(Clan posters in general) have lost your way, but that really isn't it. Most of you are too new to have ever known said way in the first place. The meaning and beauty of the Clans forum has become perverted by this crop of people who belong in one Clan, but are friends to 15 others, and post as much as they humanly can in all of them. The fact that Yukora agrees with me is telling, because he used to do the exact same thing.
Easy, bro...I principally agree with almost everything what you have said, my post was intended to be a supportive one. The rest is purely a matter of individual opinion, I am not forcing anyone to vote for anybody... :sweat:.
I agree with jonnyjonski's post as well, and sometimes I really miss the old spirit of this forum.
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@Cyan: I admit, I was wrong. The called is awesome and only you and perhaps your clanmates understand the right way to be a clan member. If only I were worthy to be a member of the called. But I'm not. I'm a friend of Natural 20, Rakdos, House Dimir, and perhaps even others. So I have transgressed and am not, nor ever shall be, worthy to be accepted into your lofty company. I wish you could teach me the right way to be a clan member, but I'm obviously so deficient I would never understand your wisdom.
But at least I can participate in the completely unbiased punishments meted out by your clanmate, Yukora. Since I will never dine at your esteemed table, the most I can hope for its to recieve a righteous spanking that will set me straight. I take pride in being laid low by a man that completely agrees with the idea that there should be strictly imposed limits on how many clans you're allowed to be friends of and that there are so few real clans left. If Only Yukora could hit me in real life. Then I might learn my lesson and stop posting in other clan threads and also stop opposing the will of Called members. And anyone who insinuates that Yukora is a biased party who has no right to infact people on this matter deserves to be banned. Banned and crucified.
So I nominate Cyan. He's the king of awesome with a cherry on top. He should be the best Clan member of the year because he understands how inferior every other clan is. Okay, maybe the Greek Alliance isn't too inferior, but everyone else is! Please vote for Cyan because rakdos, house dimir, natural 20, the simic, the coffeehouse, the gaymers, monoblue and monoblack all suck! And the rest of the clans, like Blame, DarkKnights, and Casual [T], consider yourselves warned! You're only a little bit away from being as horrible as those other poor bastards!
I'm sure I'll get in trouble even if I'm being sarcastic. So I revoke these comments and throw myself at the mods' mercy. Please don't ban me! I'll never have an unacceptable opinion again, I promise! I only ask that you tell me what to think so I know what I'm allowed to believe.
Duder, serious, it's the internet. Calm yon'self.
I tend to agree with Jonski and Cyan on this one - no, not because they're clanmates. Stop being a broken record. OH MY LAWD, INTERNET BIAS! SHOOP DA WOOP! LOOK AT ME, I'M AN INTERNET XENOPHON (historian severely biased toward sparta, fyi)!
Clans are meant to be a place where you can get to know the small group of people in the clan. Heck, that's why you joined the clan in the first place, isn't it?? Going around to 20,000 friggin clans (yes I used to do this, don't anymore, wah WAH.) just seems to defeat the purpose of it.
Overclans do, aswell. Fair enough for Gaymers because most of the conversation (last time I checked it anyway, months ago) is kinda relevant to the context and idea behind the clan. But the coffeehouse is just like, "LOL DUDERS ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" most of the time. Heck, whenever I posted there I got ignored because people like Alacar and Sakura apparently had more important things to say. It's like that clan IS just a regular clan with 20 gajillion friends. Omna, Arguas, Alacar, Sakura, Mamelon, That person with a name that is way too friggin long, Cecelia or something, Photon Eater, That guy who's name I can't remember who always talks about his fiance, hunter or something, Itinerant Soldier and someone else who I can't remember, foolycooly or something. That's essentially the coffeehouse plus stragglers. Plus we must mention the fact that it's a gigantic drama pimple, threatening to erupt. DUDES YOU IGNORED HIM. I'M LEAVING 4 EVA.
Is this really the spirit of clans????
I vote for rianalnn for his devotion to the clan contests, especially his work in the Mafia one, where he spent alot of time working it all out. Kudos.
NO, THAT ISN'T BIAS EITHER. THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I JOINED THE CALLED.