Members (11/12)
Amemit
Architect
Charlie Donaldson - Semi-Pending
Erasmus
Forgotten_Hope
kobisjeruk, The Reckless - Gruul's Grunt
Master of Darkness Patron of the Nerds SheXMyXSuicide
Sqirrellord.yit
Void_Nothing Wrath_of_Dog
Xyver
Yukora, Rage of the Gruul
Honorary Members Illuvatar - For his help in the merger, even without being part of it. Loran16 - Because everybody loves loran. magic_pie - Founded the Gruul Clans Mirari - T'was once a member
Friends
Bweebwee - ARD
Blane Firehand - Azorius
Aggro_zombies - Casual[t]ies
Avatar - The ImageCrafters
PurplePirate - Izzet League
Birger - Izzet League
Doob - Izzet League
Faust - Izzet League
Canada Man - Izzet League
Oasis - Izzet League
Jumboshrimp - Gaymers
Nocturn - Golgari Swarms
Craniumuser - Greek Alliance
RickCorgan - Greek Alliance
Caranthir - Greek Alliance
spiritual herder - Greek Alliance
Spiral - Hyrule
luminum can - Orzhov Syndicate
Jack - Princes of Pauper
Charlie Donaldson - Project Mayhem
feuerdrache - Project Mayhem
diggymon123 - Project Mayhem
Doctor Teeth - Rakdos
Loran16 - RBS
hellbent4hollywood - Selesnya Conclave
Good&Evil - Selesnya Conclave
Godless Angel - ???
MD - ???
Phalanx - ???
Poukis - ???
Spanglepuppet - ???
Two-Headed Dragon - ???
Our Clan History
In the time before guildpact war released and there were no other
guild themed clans, there was a man, a man named Maxrpg. Maxrpg, decided to start a clan themed after the Boros Legion from he Ravnica: City of Guilds expansion. Many people joined and soon it became afats growing trend, and other copiers like the Selsnyans and the Dimir sprouted to copy us. But, in the middle of december, Maxrpg was doing a secret called project OL, to combine the Orzhov and the Boros together. Not only did he fail, he blew up. No one ever saw him agian. In the silence that followed it seemed the decapitated Boros Legionnaires were doomed to disband. Then the mighty PotN, or Patron of the Nerds stepped in to rescue the legion. He took command of the captainless ship and brought it to shore safe and sound. But even the mighty PotN could not do everything. As Maxrpg left, the activity of many other memebers left, and it seemed the legion couldn't last, yet again. Then Wrath_of_Dog, a memebr of the Gruul Clans had a idea. Why not combine the also faltering Gruul Clans with the Selesnya and Boros to form the RGW powerhouse of trinity!? But these thoughts were doomed to fail as the Conclave backed out of the merger, levaing just the Boros and Gruul, but offered to make a playgroup that joined the three clans, under the name they would've used: Trinity. But the merger was not ready to die yet. Without the Selesnya the intellectual Wrath_of_Dog and PotN knew that in order to keep their clans alive, that they had to merge. And so they did, and here we are.
Im 13, im Jewish and I live in Pittsburgh. W00t.
Currently Playing - BW Aggro
My name is Ben, I'm 20 and from New Zealand. Rawr.
My name is Ryan, I'll be 17 in May, and I'm proud to be an American
I'm 26 and my friends call me Dan. I used to be proud to be an American, but with the current administration I have my doubts. St. Patty's Day GO!
I'm Nazrul, 23, Butterworth, Penang, MY
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yes I have the first post on the new thread other than PotN. Now if any one is keeping track thats um.... 2 for the squirrels and none for .... I don't know.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
That was a great "debate" on the old thread about rapping. X'D
My personal choice for Second on the Clan Contest would be RBS, but I don't know if they got their flag in time because I don't think I saw thier flag in the voting thread.
Our flag was on time at RBS. Avatar by accident posted the 3/4 finished version, but it was certainly on time.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
That was a great "debate" on the old thread about rapping. X'D
My personal choice for Second on the Clan Contest would be RBS, but I don't know if they got their flag in time because I don't think I saw thier flag in the voting thread.
Third post ^^ go me.
My first place vote originally went to RBS, but I'm happy enough with Orzhov there. So I can deal with RBS in second.
Just leave him alone, TFE's antics are greatly appreciated by some and not as much by others. And sometimes you need to study his posting style for a little bit before you can laugh at it, too.
I got the citation for my accident in the mail today, it was pretty good as far as that goes. I only got nailed for running a red, and it was a pretty cheap ticket at that. I've seen plenty of speeding tickets be higher than what I got.
I think we should work on that sunforger deck from the old thread. I think it is a good deck, and my team mates won't help me with the list. Because it plays out awesome. But I can't tell if its the list or the Meta on why it doesn't work.
I guess it doesn't help thatwhenever I play on MWS I play against that ****ing Angel Wierding deck.
@new thread: RAWR. 14th post.
@the rap debate: I dislike rap of any kind anyway...
@TFE: No comment.
@SxMxS's deck:
Out:
4x Kird Ape, he kinda sucks in a deck that isnt all-out aggro... Better to equip a Forger to a creature with evasion anyway
1x Parallectric Feedback and 1x Electrolyse - Feedback flat-out sucks, and electrolyse isn't worth splashing for, really...
2x Reito Lantern - If you can keep an active sunforger out long enough for this to actually be useful you've already won anyway...
3x Paladin en-Vec - He's blatantly a sideboard card
IN:
4x FAITH'S FETTERS - This card -expletive deleted-s on so much different stuff, and gains you four life!
3 or 4 Birds of Paradise - Mana-fixing and fun to equip Forger to.
2x Land - Forger is REALLY mana-intensive...
at least 1x Seed Spark - for those annoying Demon Fork's or an alternative to Mortify...
1x Flames of the blood Hand - 4 damage nuke for 3 mana, that stops them gaining life from Hierarch...
Perhaps 3x Suntail Hawk if you want good one-drops...
I agree with a lot of stuff you are saying, but the Paladin thing. In the environment today people are splashing either Red or Black for removal so Paladin a lot becomes an untargitable creature. And thats why I kept him in here.
I was thinking about taking the electrozyze out anyways, same with the reito. I would love to add more creatures to the deck or else I would turn the deck into Fungus Fires with *** and other cotnrol aspects.
When I built the deck I Put in 1of's to deal with alot of the Meta-game like the First Gifts Decks with Witnesses.. so I was runing Scour for any deck that runs Enchantments and Feedback against Maga and URzatron.. Having the ability to win game 1 against these decks specifically Maga and Urza is a huge boon. The sideboard should have Isao's in them against control decks.. Or Even the Green Leyline.
On that I kinda Agree with the REito Lantern coming out. but it or Troller should be in the board. It could be useful in some matchups. I was thinking of running Privileged Position in the main or sideboard to assist against heavy removal decks. or just to keep the sunforger on the table long enough to win. Plus Position is a good Foil to Emiment Domain.
Fetters is an outstanding card. But I would much rather have an instant I could fetch with the forger. The Electrolyze is in because its red. I've been thinking about putting in 1x Cerebral Vortex, 1) It can let you draw 2 cards in a pinch 2) it can really hose Greater Good or any deck that likes to draw cards..
Kird apes are good but this deck isn't very aggro. It can be but its more about having hard to deal with creatures and the ability to reach out and get "Answers" at will. I'm thinking of building a Version with Birds, Weathered Wayfarers and Gift of Estates. It'll probably be bad but meh..
I also have a version that uses Gifts Ungiven to get an Urza's Set and Life from the Loam. Its a "nifty" idea but *shrug*.
I like Sunforger for the simple reason you can run alot of 1ofs in the board to answer alot of the decks in the meta. Red and White spells have the distinction of being able to deal with any threat put down by an opponent, at instant speed. and think Dissension brings two more guilds that can benefit Sunforger.
A more tricky White/Green/Blue/Red Sunforger deck could be possible. it'd be really really really tricky.. hmm Let me put the list together and look at some cards and i'll get back to with a list..
Paladin En-vec can only be stopped by 10 spells being played in Tournament Play give or take 4 cards. There are more than 14 cards that stop paladin but many are not being played currently.
When Evaluating cards to put in the Deck with Sunforger you have to look at 2 things.
1) Would I want to Cast this from Hand.
2) How Narrow is this Card.
Some cards that would normally be sub-optimal or ineffiecent become quite good when you can cast them for RW. For Example- Electrolyze. Its a very solid card, unfortunately for it in this envirnoment it kinda lacks the required punch. but as a 1-2of in this deck paying RWfor 2dmg and drawing a card makes it worth a spot. If you happen to have it in hand its a Spliced Reach through mists Glacial ray. Many of the cards in the deck that are 1ofs fall into the 2nd part. Very Narrow Cards, good in the right circumstances but bad in almost all others.
any deck that has counters or plays putrefy is a tough matchup. granted against decks with any black spells En-vec is still pretty good. i kinda wish we had a card that gave any permanent pro-color. wait a sec... 8.5 Tails... oooo Hmmm that's tasty.. and It stops ED, and screws with Owl a touch.. The deck is already Mana-Intensive why not Make it need more mana!!! muahahahahaha.. wait thats not a good idea usually.. 8.5 Tails might be a good idea none-the-less. Against Certain decks you'd never need him.. I think I'm gonna try him out in my next version. And I decided I'm running at least 1 Congregation at Dawn at Least 1 Hierarch.
as for Glare.. Well Its kinda bad all of asudden. Mortify kills it and G/R is faster than it. all the other competitive decks don't care about it. If you were to build a new version of it that was more controllish it might be ok..
I actually did take out the elctro, because I was drawing it a lot. That is also the reason why I added 1 Watery Grave and so I can hardcast the Mortify's in the deck if I happen to draw them.
8.5 is actually a pretty good idea, but like oyu said it is mana intesive. How does 8.5 do good against Owl? The only real thing I can see it good for is against Gigadrowse.
I like how this thread discussion is shaping up...
not that i hav anything against debate on the mediocre rapping ability of a certain Best Member 0f '05 or....wutever (hmm, i'm forgetting sumthin here but i not sure what it is...:confused2:)
Overblaze - um, yeah, u should click on the link, done? ok, u might think this is petty trick, but consider 5 damage on the stack to ur opponent dome (any 1/1 equipped), unattached, then fetch this *thing* targetting said permanent, instant Double Strike (lets hope said permanent isnt THIS :rolleyes:)*
LANDS SELECTION :-
- lands doesnt need explanation -
CREATURES SELECTION :-
"creatures? what creatures? all i see is puny 1/1s or at most 2/2...
dude, how the hell r u gonna win?"
easy now, lemme explain first...
Mourning Thrull - evasion n life suck (boost with sunforger +4/+0), similar with dryad complex(?) but better when equipped
Birds of Paradise - serving life as mana producer most of the time but can be a good sunforger feeder...win-win situation~
Blinking Spirit - *wait for it*
this might require lengthier explanation than THIS so i'll put it in point form:-
1. nigh indestructible (other than countered) 2. evasion (fly to the dome) fly damnit fly~
3. potential blocker against *insert every creature w/o trample AND FLYING here*
4. jitte counters? what jitte counters? u aint getting any bud...:rolleyes:
5. mana intensive...wait, thats not a good point...hmm
bear in mind this build is more control-oriented than any earlier suggestions
but still, it lose out to traditional control (read, anything with basic land - island) bcoz the only *real* threat r the sunforgers
i thought about making aggro-ish (heh, i didnt use controlish before this, oh wait, i did...:p) version (with s.cmauler-trample etc) but sunforger in an aggro build seems wrong to me (imo)
toolbox approach like this hav always been control-oriented...but its for a good reason....in an aggro built, every draw should be a threat on its own, not a situational threat which is good in some situation n not the others
BUT, this doesnt mean sunforger n aggro wont work...its just my IMO...
if u find an aggro build that work superb with sunforger then kudos to u
hmm...am i missing something? well, thats plenty of time...or not
wutever...anyway, E, i like u more n more**
* - thanx to sxmxs
** - in a friendly, DEFINITELY not in a sexual way
p/s:- feel free to give comments~
EDIT: sideboard? what sideboard? notice everything is white? yeah, coz i hate white
the truth is, if u think this deck suck, the s/b is 1000x suckier than that coz i dont really knw how to build a s/b...nuff sez
now if one were to play farseek could u pull out a stomping grounds with it
Yes. Because it has the "Mountain" subtype.
As far as the overblaze thing goes. No, it does not work. Lemme explain. Damage is on the stack, you play the overblaze, the permentant is targeted, it gets its effect, but wait It has already dealt damage this turn. So you just kinda used the forger ability to unnattach Forger. So overblaze is a no-no.
What about the Selesnya Guildmage? I think it would work pretty dang well. Especially if we can board Glare against Orzhova, BWG and other "slower" aggro/control type decks.
I do like the FotBH in the deck. Because when I played it one of the beggest reasons the deck lost was because of Fetters and Loxodon. >.<
As far as the overblaze thing goes. No, it does not work. Lemme explain. Damage is on the stack, you play the overblaze, the permentant is targeted, it gets its effect, but wait It has already dealt damage this turn. So you just kinda used the forger ability to unnattach Forger. So overblaze is a no-no.
so, dmg on the stack means its not the next dmg dealt by target permanent eh? thanx for that...
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So how does Blinky fly?
um, i was playing with serra angel avatar on vanguard...:rolleyes:
just kidding...
lol, all this time, even way back when W/U control use blinky, i thought it had flying...cause its a spirit damnit~
oh well, i hit n miss, not like thats the first time it ever happened...
theres was this one time i built a leyline of singularity deck and uses natural affinity to kill animated basic land when my opponent pointed out the non-land clause...duh, thats embarassing
bathe in light is a decent idea for the deck but Ghostway is better at keeping creatures alive. Bathe Targets critters, I was thinking of something to give Sunforger Protection, 8.5 does that and it can keep other permanents alive.. Mourning Thrull is a nice idea, most people would not expect it as a threat. Against decks with Blue well you just have to play sorta smart or force the Forger through. Owl Decks tend to tap out on of the first 3 turns. More traditional Control decks well thats what sideboard is for. Isao and Moldervine.. Blue eventually gets tired of countering Moldervine. 8.5 against owls Targeted Bounce. ala Eye of nowhere and Boomerang. and 8.5 would do well against ED.. Hmm I'm liking 8.5 more and more in the current Metagame. I'm working on my four color version of this, its not good but its fun. well I'll post it.
I honestly just threw together the idea.. I Wanted to use the Gifts ungiven/Tron/Loam idea toghether and since this deck needs alot of mana figured what the hell.. I have no clue how this would play but i just needed something to work with for the idea.. I'll probably try in it a URzatorn deck and splash green for loam and Summer Bloom or Azusa.. I have a few other decks i'm working on, I'll post them when I'm satisfied with the lists..
I was toying with a G/W/R Control Deck i have a partial list
Thats the Idea more or less.. getting enough for Flame Wave isn't as tough as you think. Not Relying on Birds/Elves actually helps. Farseek lets you get whatever Duals you happen to have. the Purifications and Wildfires help against Control decks. I could see tossing in some yosei's, ryusei's, Time of need, Congregation at Dawn with Debtor's knell to get a lock after a Purification. I had a version like this that used Mana Seism as accell to cast something after a Purification/Wildfire. Life from the Loam could fit in the deck somewhere.. Karoo Lands are particularly effective with wildfire and Purification. this is definately a rough draft..
And for a particularly Silly Heavy Accel deck check this out-
This deck is at least fun to play. I've had many versions but this version I like best because you can hardcast everything with ease. The tokens from the orchard count for you when you warp world because of the wording on Warp World. The Accel is necessary only problem i've been having is not getting the Warp World in hand. Its a consistancy problem. Otherwise i'd consider it for Tournament play. it happens to be very resilent. I Usually have 2 Galvanic arcs and 2 Fists of Ironwood in the deck but there are better creatures... I thought about throwing Debtor's knell, and that red guy who tosses your creatures at opponents in.. when said and done its mostly for fun.
So we need the second vote for the clan contest...SOON.
So far we have only 2 votes, 1 for Azorious and 2 for RBS. If something doesn't change soon (as in by time I have to submit the votes) it will be Ozhorva and RBS.
I have kinda given up on the aggro fires for right now to work on Izzet Combo.
wheres the clan contest thread I musta missed it...
I'm trying to build something fun and good.. I wrote up a R/G/B Greater Good deck but everytime i go to put the cards togther one of the guys that i Team with takes all the G/B/w stuff.. (technically its G/B/W/R)..
only need 2 more cards to start playtesting my high ground deck.. I love sunforger. I just don't know if it can stand up to aggro..
I read some list in the competitive forum... I don't know what some of those guys are smoking but, some of those list are kinda bad. I still find it funny that my R/W deck can still hang with all of them.. I really want to find a way to slide Paladin in my R/W deck with Forger. Most of my Meta is split between W/B decks, U/R decks and R/G. In fact for tonight I know exactly what everyone will be playing (well the 10 people who show up every week)
3 G/R aggro
1 maga combo
2 Owl decks
1 W/b Aggro homebrew
1 U/g sea stompy
1 B/W Knell Lock
and then me with R/W
One kid has been playtesting U/B owl with underworld dreams and Puzzlebox. But any deck with howling mines in it my R/W deck beats. I'd love to play a Deck with Niv-Mizzet and I built one. Its sort of a Greater Good rehash...
Now this deck is kinda crappy but i like the idea of niv-mizzet with greater good. Through the Breach is fun with Angel of despair. I thought through the breach would be nifty granted now the deck is 5 color.. I thought about pitching the gifts and using Congregation at dawn, I would need to play a few more creatures to draw into the stuff I put on top, gifts just drops them in the yard for me. I suppose I could play Moonlight bargain or something.. or i could just run the newer version of gifts and throw niv-Mizzet in.
Masumaro essentially doubles your hand size. hmm
Well off to read and maybe write up some decks.
PotN
Wrath_of_Dog
SxMxS
Amemit
Architect
Charlie Donaldson - Semi-Pending
Erasmus
Forgotten_Hope
kobisjeruk, The Reckless - Gruul's Grunt
Master of Darkness
Patron of the Nerds
SheXMyXSuicide
Sqirrellord.yit
Void_Nothing
Wrath_of_Dog
Xyver
Yukora, Rage of the Gruul
Illuvatar - For his help in the merger, even without being part of it.
Loran16 - Because everybody loves loran.
magic_pie - Founded the Gruul Clans
Mirari - T'was once a member
Bweebwee - ARD
Blane Firehand - Azorius
Aggro_zombies - Casual[t]ies
Avatar - The ImageCrafters
PurplePirate - Izzet League
Birger - Izzet League
Doob - Izzet League
Faust - Izzet League
Canada Man - Izzet League
Oasis - Izzet League
Jumboshrimp - Gaymers
Nocturn - Golgari Swarms
Craniumuser - Greek Alliance
RickCorgan - Greek Alliance
Caranthir - Greek Alliance
spiritual herder - Greek Alliance
Spiral - Hyrule
luminum can - Orzhov Syndicate
Jack - Princes of Pauper
Charlie Donaldson - Project Mayhem
feuerdrache - Project Mayhem
diggymon123 - Project Mayhem
Doctor Teeth - Rakdos
Loran16 - RBS
hellbent4hollywood - Selesnya Conclave
Good&Evil - Selesnya Conclave
Godless Angel - ???
MD - ???
Phalanx - ???
Poukis - ???
Spanglepuppet - ???
Two-Headed Dragon - ???
guild themed clans, there was a man, a man named Maxrpg. Maxrpg, decided to start a clan themed after the Boros Legion from he Ravnica: City of Guilds expansion. Many people joined and soon it became afats growing trend, and other copiers like the Selsnyans and the Dimir sprouted to copy us. But, in the middle of december, Maxrpg was doing a secret called project OL, to combine the Orzhov and the Boros together. Not only did he fail, he blew up. No one ever saw him agian. In the silence that followed it seemed the decapitated Boros Legionnaires were doomed to disband. Then the mighty PotN, or Patron of the Nerds stepped in to rescue the legion. He took command of the captainless ship and brought it to shore safe and sound. But even the mighty PotN could not do everything. As Maxrpg left, the activity of many other memebers left, and it seemed the legion couldn't last, yet again. Then Wrath_of_Dog, a memebr of the Gruul Clans had a idea. Why not combine the also faltering Gruul Clans with the Selesnya and Boros to form the RGW powerhouse of trinity!? But these thoughts were doomed to fail as the Conclave backed out of the merger, levaing just the Boros and Gruul, but offered to make a playgroup that joined the three clans, under the name they would've used: Trinity. But the merger was not ready to die yet. Without the Selesnya the intellectual Wrath_of_Dog and PotN knew that in order to keep their clans alive, that they had to merge. And so they did, and here we are.
Im 13, im Jewish and I live in Pittsburgh. W00t.
Currently Playing - BW Aggro
My name is Ryan, I'll be 17 in May, and I'm proud to be an American
I'm 26 and my friends call me Dan. I used to be proud to be an American, but with the current administration I have my doubts. St. Patty's Day GO!
I'm Nazrul, 23, Butterworth, Penang, MY
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My personal choice for Second on the Clan Contest would be RBS, but I don't know if they got their flag in time because I don't think I saw thier flag in the voting thread.
Third post ^^ go me.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
My first place vote originally went to RBS, but I'm happy enough with Orzhov there. So I can deal with RBS in second.
In other news. Hadoken; and I'm out...
Stop being stupid, please. Troll warning.
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Just leave him alone, TFE's antics are greatly appreciated by some and not as much by others. And sometimes you need to study his posting style for a little bit before you can laugh at it, too.
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I guess it doesn't help thatwhenever I play on MWS I play against that ****ing Angel Wierding deck.
For reference here is the list again:
// Lands
4 [RAV] Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
4 [GP] Stomping Ground
4 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
4 [RAV] Temple Garden
2 [UNH] Plains
1 [UNH] Mountain
2 [UNH] Forest
1 [RAV] Watery Grave
4 [9E] Kird Ape
4 [GP] Silhana Ledgewalker
2 [RAV] Firemane Angel
3 [GP] Dryad Sophisticate
3 [9E] Paladin en-Vec
1 [SOK] Hidetsugu's Second Rite
4 [RAV] Lightning Helix
2 [GP] Mortify
3 [RAV] Char
1 [GP] Electrolyze
1 [GP] Parallectric Feedback
4 [RAV] Farseek
2 [CHK] Reito Lantern
@the rap debate: I dislike rap of any kind anyway...
@TFE: No comment.
@SxMxS's deck:
Out:
4x Kird Ape, he kinda sucks in a deck that isnt all-out aggro... Better to equip a Forger to a creature with evasion anyway
1x Parallectric Feedback and 1x Electrolyse - Feedback flat-out sucks, and electrolyse isn't worth splashing for, really...
2x Reito Lantern - If you can keep an active sunforger out long enough for this to actually be useful you've already won anyway...
3x Paladin en-Vec - He's blatantly a sideboard card
IN:
4x FAITH'S FETTERS - This card -expletive deleted-s on so much different stuff, and gains you four life!
3 or 4 Birds of Paradise - Mana-fixing and fun to equip Forger to.
2x Land - Forger is REALLY mana-intensive...
at least 1x Seed Spark - for those annoying Demon Fork's or an alternative to Mortify...
1x Flames of the blood Hand - 4 damage nuke for 3 mana, that stops them gaining life from Hierarch...
Perhaps 3x Suntail Hawk if you want good one-drops...
Oh well, just getting my two cents in
I was thinking about taking the electrozyze out anyways, same with the reito. I would love to add more creatures to the deck or else I would turn the deck into Fungus Fires with *** and other cotnrol aspects.
What do you think about Glare in here?
On that I kinda Agree with the REito Lantern coming out. but it or Troller should be in the board. It could be useful in some matchups. I was thinking of running Privileged Position in the main or sideboard to assist against heavy removal decks. or just to keep the sunforger on the table long enough to win. Plus Position is a good Foil to Emiment Domain.
Fetters is an outstanding card. But I would much rather have an instant I could fetch with the forger. The Electrolyze is in because its red. I've been thinking about putting in 1x Cerebral Vortex, 1) It can let you draw 2 cards in a pinch 2) it can really hose Greater Good or any deck that likes to draw cards..
Kird apes are good but this deck isn't very aggro. It can be but its more about having hard to deal with creatures and the ability to reach out and get "Answers" at will. I'm thinking of building a Version with Birds, Weathered Wayfarers and Gift of Estates. It'll probably be bad but meh..
I also have a version that uses Gifts Ungiven to get an Urza's Set and Life from the Loam. Its a "nifty" idea but *shrug*.
I like Sunforger for the simple reason you can run alot of 1ofs in the board to answer alot of the decks in the meta. Red and White spells have the distinction of being able to deal with any threat put down by an opponent, at instant speed. and think Dissension brings two more guilds that can benefit Sunforger.
A more tricky White/Green/Blue/Red Sunforger deck could be possible. it'd be really really really tricky.. hmm Let me put the list together and look at some cards and i'll get back to with a list..
Paladin En-vec can only be stopped by 10 spells being played in Tournament Play give or take 4 cards. There are more than 14 cards that stop paladin but many are not being played currently.
When Evaluating cards to put in the Deck with Sunforger you have to look at 2 things.
1) Would I want to Cast this from Hand.
2) How Narrow is this Card.
Some cards that would normally be sub-optimal or ineffiecent become quite good when you can cast them for RW. For Example- Electrolyze. Its a very solid card, unfortunately for it in this envirnoment it kinda lacks the required punch. but as a 1-2of in this deck paying RWfor 2dmg and drawing a card makes it worth a spot. If you happen to have it in hand its a Spliced Reach through mists Glacial ray. Many of the cards in the deck that are 1ofs fall into the 2nd part. Very Narrow Cards, good in the right circumstances but bad in almost all others.
any deck that has counters or plays putrefy is a tough matchup. granted against decks with any black spells En-vec is still pretty good. i kinda wish we had a card that gave any permanent pro-color. wait a sec... 8.5 Tails... oooo Hmmm that's tasty.. and It stops ED, and screws with Owl a touch.. The deck is already Mana-Intensive why not Make it need more mana!!! muahahahahaha.. wait thats not a good idea usually.. 8.5 Tails might be a good idea none-the-less. Against Certain decks you'd never need him.. I think I'm gonna try him out in my next version. And I decided I'm running at least 1 Congregation at Dawn at Least 1 Hierarch.
as for Glare.. Well Its kinda bad all of asudden. Mortify kills it and G/R is faster than it. all the other competitive decks don't care about it. If you were to build a new version of it that was more controllish it might be ok..
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8.5 is actually a pretty good idea, but like oyu said it is mana intesive. How does 8.5 do good against Owl? The only real thing I can see it good for is against Gigadrowse.
not that i hav anything against debate on the mediocre rapping ability of a certain Best Member 0f '05 or....wutever (hmm, i'm forgetting sumthin here but i not sure what it is...:confused2:)
anyway, talk about decklist <-- i like
heres my take on Sunforger_Abuse.dec :-
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
3 Wood Elves
3 Paladin en-Vec
2 Blinking Spirit
// Spells
4 Sunforger
4 Lightning Helix
2 Devouring Light
2 Mortify
2 Bathe in Light
1 Flames of the Blood Hand
1 Congregation at Dawn
1 Char
0 Overblaze
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple Garden
4 Stomping Ground
3 Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
2 Plains
2 Brushland
2 Forest
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Battlefield Forge
okay, explanation n cards choices (plurals both? btw, does plural hav 's'?):-
SPELLS SELECTION (a.k.a. sunforger's target) :-
mise well address the sunforger's targets first eh?
Lightning Helix - no comment
Devouring Light - dragon legend n um, annoying creatures?
Mortify - same as above
Bathe in Light - i rather quote someone to make it clear:
voila~!
Flames of the Blood Hand - situational anti-lifegain
Congregation at Dawn - more feeder to the sunforger
Overblaze - um, yeah, u should click on the link, done? ok, u might think this is petty trick, but consider 5 damage on the stack to ur opponent dome (any 1/1 equipped), unattached, then fetch this *thing* targetting said permanent, instant Double Strike (lets hope said permanent isnt THIS :rolleyes:)*LANDS SELECTION :-
- lands doesnt need explanation -
CREATURES SELECTION :-
"creatures? what creatures? all i see is puny 1/1s or at most 2/2...
dude, how the hell r u gonna win?"
easy now, lemme explain first...
Mourning Thrull - evasion n life suck (boost with sunforger +4/+0), similar with dryad complex(?) but better when equipped
Birds of Paradise - serving life as mana producer most of the time but can be a good sunforger feeder...win-win situation~
Silhana Ledgewalker - evasion critter numero dos (#2, or isit tres? #3)
Wood Elves - the weakest link, no other need than to fetch that dreaded overgrown tomb
Paladin en-Vec - MVP no matter what ppl sez
Blinking Spirit - *wait for it*
this might require lengthier explanation than THIS so i'll put it in point form:-
1. nigh indestructible (other than countered)
2. evasion (fly to the dome)fly damnit fly~3. potential blocker against *insert every creature w/o trample AND FLYING here*
4. jitte counters? what jitte counters? u aint getting any bud...:rolleyes:
5. mana intensive...wait, thats not a good point...hmm
bear in mind this build is more control-oriented than any earlier suggestions
but still, it lose out to traditional control (read, anything with basic land - island) bcoz the only *real* threat r the sunforgers
i thought about making aggro-ish (heh, i didnt use controlish before this, oh wait, i did...:p) version (with s.cmauler-trample etc) but sunforger in an aggro build seems wrong to me (imo)
toolbox approach like this hav always been control-oriented...but its for a good reason....in an aggro built, every draw should be a threat on its own, not a situational threat which is good in some situation n not the others
BUT, this doesnt mean sunforger n aggro wont work...its just my IMO...
if u find an aggro build that work superb with sunforger then kudos to u
hmm...am i missing something? well, thats plenty of time...or not
wutever...anyway, E, i like u more n more**
* - thanx to sxmxs
** - in a friendly, DEFINITELY not in a sexual way
p/s:- feel free to give comments~
EDIT: sideboard? what sideboard? notice everything is white? yeah, coz i hate white
the truth is, if u think this deck suck, the s/b is 1000x suckier than that coz i dont really knw how to build a s/b...nuff sez
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Yes. Because it has the "Mountain" subtype.
As far as the overblaze thing goes. No, it does not work. Lemme explain. Damage is on the stack, you play the overblaze, the permentant is targeted, it gets its effect, but wait It has already dealt damage this turn. So you just kinda used the forger ability to unnattach Forger. So overblaze is a no-no.
What about the Selesnya Guildmage? I think it would work pretty dang well. Especially if we can board Glare against Orzhova, BWG and other "slower" aggro/control type decks.
I do like the FotBH in the deck. Because when I played it one of the beggest reasons the deck lost was because of Fetters and Loxodon. >.<
So how does Blinky fly?
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um, i was playing with serra angel avatar on vanguard...:rolleyes:
just kidding...
lol, all this time, even way back when W/U control use blinky, i thought it had flying...cause its a spirit damnit~
oh well, i hit n miss, not like thats the first time it ever happened...
theres was this one time i built a leyline of singularity deck and uses natural affinity to kill animated basic land when my opponent pointed out the non-land clause...duh, thats embarassing
n Avvy mod by me4 Paladin En-vec
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
3 Eight-and-a-half-Tails
1 Firemane Angel
16 total
Spells
4 Kodama's Reach
3 Gifts ungiven
1 Life from the Loam
4 Lightning Helix
2 flames of the blood hand
1 hidetsugu's second Rite
1 ghostway
1 scour
1 Paralectric Feedback
2 Devouring Light
2 other cards
1 Urza's Mine
1 Urza's Tower
1 Urza's Power Plant
2 Sacred foundry
4 Temple Gardens
4 Stomping Grounds
1 Steam Vents
3 Forest
1 Island
2 Plains
2 Boros Garrison
22 Land
I honestly just threw together the idea.. I Wanted to use the Gifts ungiven/Tron/Loam idea toghether and since this deck needs alot of mana figured what the hell.. I have no clue how this would play but i just needed something to work with for the idea.. I'll probably try in it a URzatorn deck and splash green for loam and Summer Bloom or Azusa.. I have a few other decks i'm working on, I'll post them when I'm satisfied with the lists..
I was toying with a G/W/R Control Deck i have a partial list
3 Firemane Angels
4 Sakura-tribe Elders
1 Skarrgan Firebird
2 Shard Phoenix
1 Kodama of the North Tree
1 Phtyohyrda
12 Creatures
4 Savage Twister
4 Wrath of God
4 Flame Wave
4 Razia's Purification
4 Wildfire
20 Spells
4 Kodama's Reach
4 Farseek
8 spells
Land
20 land..
Thats the Idea more or less.. getting enough for Flame Wave isn't as tough as you think. Not Relying on Birds/Elves actually helps. Farseek lets you get whatever Duals you happen to have. the Purifications and Wildfires help against Control decks. I could see tossing in some yosei's, ryusei's, Time of need, Congregation at Dawn with Debtor's knell to get a lock after a Purification. I had a version like this that used Mana Seism as accell to cast something after a Purification/Wildfire. Life from the Loam could fit in the deck somewhere.. Karoo Lands are particularly effective with wildfire and Purification. this is definately a rough draft..
And for a particularly Silly Heavy Accel deck check this out-
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Wood Elves
3 Sakura-Tribe Elders
3 Silhana Starfletcher
18 Total
Business Creatures
4 Anarchists
2 Angel of Despair
3 Flame-Kin Zealot
2 Skeletal Vampire
1 Kiki-Jiki, the mirror breaker
1 Kumano, Master Yamabushi
1 Conclave Phalanx
14 total
4 Warp World
4 Heartbeat of Spring
8 total
Land
3 Forbidden Orchard
4 Stomping Grounds
2 Temple Garden
2 Overgrown tomb
2 forests
4 mountains
2 plains
1 swamp
20 Land
This deck is at least fun to play. I've had many versions but this version I like best because you can hardcast everything with ease. The tokens from the orchard count for you when you warp world because of the wording on Warp World. The Accel is necessary only problem i've been having is not getting the Warp World in hand. Its a consistancy problem. Otherwise i'd consider it for Tournament play. it happens to be very resilent. I Usually have 2 Galvanic arcs and 2 Fists of Ironwood in the deck but there are better creatures... I thought about throwing Debtor's knell, and that red guy who tosses your creatures at opponents in.. when said and done its mostly for fun.
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So far we have only 2 votes, 1 for Azorious and 2 for RBS. If something doesn't change soon (as in by time I have to submit the votes) it will be Ozhorva and RBS.
I have kinda given up on the aggro fires for right now to work on Izzet Combo.
I'm trying to build something fun and good.. I wrote up a R/G/B Greater Good deck but everytime i go to put the cards togther one of the guys that i Team with takes all the G/B/w stuff.. (technically its G/B/W/R)..
only need 2 more cards to start playtesting my high ground deck.. I love sunforger. I just don't know if it can stand up to aggro..
I read some list in the competitive forum... I don't know what some of those guys are smoking but, some of those list are kinda bad. I still find it funny that my R/W deck can still hang with all of them.. I really want to find a way to slide Paladin in my R/W deck with Forger. Most of my Meta is split between W/B decks, U/R decks and R/G. In fact for tonight I know exactly what everyone will be playing (well the 10 people who show up every week)
3 G/R aggro
1 maga combo
2 Owl decks
1 W/b Aggro homebrew
1 U/g sea stompy
1 B/W Knell Lock
and then me with R/W
One kid has been playtesting U/B owl with underworld dreams and Puzzlebox. But any deck with howling mines in it my R/W deck beats. I'd love to play a Deck with Niv-Mizzet and I built one. Its sort of a Greater Good rehash...
4 birds of paradise
4 Sakura-tribe Elder
3 Loxodon Hierarch
2 Angel of Despair
1 Masumaro, first to live
1 Niv-Mizzet, the firemind
1 Kokusho, the evening Star
1 yosei, the morning star
1 Jugan, the rising star
18 total
3 goryo's Vengeance
3 Footsteps of the Goryo
3 Greater Good
2 Through the Breach (hehe)
2 debtor's knell
3 Gifts ungiven
4 Kodama's Reach
20 total
Land
4 Temple Garden
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 stomping Grounds
2 forest
2 mountains
2 plains
3 swamps
1 island
22 total
Now this deck is kinda crappy but i like the idea of niv-mizzet with greater good. Through the Breach is fun with Angel of despair. I thought through the breach would be nifty granted now the deck is 5 color.. I thought about pitching the gifts and using Congregation at dawn, I would need to play a few more creatures to draw into the stuff I put on top, gifts just drops them in the yard for me. I suppose I could play Moonlight bargain or something.. or i could just run the newer version of gifts and throw niv-Mizzet in.
Masumaro essentially doubles your hand size. hmm
Well off to read and maybe write up some decks.
"One Day Reason and Sanity will rule the World....."
"Unfortunately that day will be the day after all us Homo Sapiens explode in fiery balls of death from a Thermonuclear Hell..."
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