First off I want to say I have several decks, A demon, Soldier, Sphinx, Green, and Lifegain. my playgroup has a problem with all of them. Demons kill to many of their creatures(NO FAIR), Soldiers are to quick, Sphinx deck I draw and scry to much(OMG YOU CHEATED), Green gives me to much mana to quick therefore I get big creatures to quick ( NO WAY YOU HAVE THAT MUCH MANA ALREADY!!!) and lifegain no matter how much they hit me for I still win (THATS NOT FAIR!). Whenever I play 1 on 1 they dont seem to try and get mad when I win, when it is multiplayer they get mad because I can hold them all off no matter how they hit generally. My playgroup has great decks mostly because they always ask me to make them or reduce them for them so I am expeireinced... Anyway they dont like versing any of my decks for some reason or another and they often wont try so here is my question.... How do I make it fun for them to play me? because they arent very fun either!
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Have you talked to them about it? Most people don't have the heart to heart that you need to fix it.
If you have a big enough collection, you can Cube so that the decks aren't the issue anymore - can't blame someone's deck if it came from the same pool as yours, right?
Really though, nobody ever just approaches people and treats them like friends with a common goal (to have fun).
Have you talked to them about it? Most people don't have the heart to heart that you need to fix it.
If you have a big enough collection, you can Cube so that the decks aren't the issue anymore - can't blame someone's deck if it came from the same pool as yours, right?
Really though, nobody ever just approaches people and treats them like friends with a common goal (to have fun).
Dude, They get mad when I point it oujt..... I basicly made all of there decks from my collection, therte are few cards they have bought that they still use, which are the only ones I want, other than that their decks are lout of my collection ( im very generous with the game lol) What does CUBING mean?
Take a planned, but pretty large, collection of cards. Randomize them. Break into packs. Draft.
It's a way to give everyone access to the same pool of cards and from what I have heard it makes things more about general MTG skill - drafting, deck building, and then play.
And I don't mean for this to sound like an attack, but is it possible you have social issues and have been misreading these guys? If they are that quick to judge it sounds like something bigger is going on. I mean, I am pretty sure it would take 2-3 minutes before my playgroup got mad it me if I was to propose a wife swap. They listen first and THEN retort. We are also a bit older (no idea what your age is) and most of us value the group quite a bit - so we listen to each other and work for the greater good or something.
Take a planned, but pretty large, collection of cards. Randomize them. Break into packs. Draft.
It's a way to give everyone access to the same pool of cards and from what I have heard it makes things more about general MTG skill - drafting, deck building, and then play.
And I don't mean for this to sound like an attack, but is it possible you have social issues and have been misreading these guys? If they are that quick to judge it sounds like something bigger is going on. I mean, I am pretty sure it would take 2-3 minutes before my playgroup got mad it me if I was to propose a wife swap. They listen first and THEN retort. We are also a bit older (no idea what your age is) and most of us value the group quite a bit - so we listen to each other and work for the greater good or something.
That sounds fun.... and all I was asking is how to make the game funner becuase they complain about my decks.... my playgroup consist of older people mostly and younger people aswelll... I dunno, when I do something out of the norm or win most of the time they get upset and blame it on me :/ i dunno how to word it but it has been a continuous problem, im not to quick to judge
What would happen if you were to make one of them a deck that wins most of the time?
I... don't know. One of their birthdays are coming up and he wants a "Decking Deck" I'll probably make one for him to build into.I already made one of them a Bad*** Burn deck that wins, but she dont like red :/ lol
As has been mentioned already, Cube could be one way to go. It's also a way to teach about drafting, signals, etc.
I would like to point out two other options.
One would be Type 4. A couple of interesting reads would be here and here.
Another possibility is to continue to play with the decks you have, but rotate who plays which deck. So yes, you wouldn't always get to play one of your five decks. If you allow others to play the "best" decks then they can win sometimes. More likely, however, you will have people win with the "other" decks, and they can different interactions of the cards, and learn how to pilot certain decks better, probably by watching you.
Admittedly, part of it could also be a maturity issue. You are also the kingpin of the group, since, as you said, most of those cards come from you. So there could be a little resentment going on (you give us these cruddy decks while keeping the good ones for yourself! kind of mentality). In that regard, I think that second option would really help. If you play, and win with, the decks they tend to lose with, they'll see that the other decks can also win.
Yeah, yeah that could work... they have tried my decks they like them but they want to play with theirs more naturally... the Red, and vampire deck i gave away I won with , the problem is that they don't play as well as me it is not their decks! I know that already. lol I am the type that says you want it you can have it as far as cards and they are like if I want it it is good so they keep it And yeah maturity issue may be a problem aswelll
How do you know these people? Are they actually your friends, or just the people who happen to go to the same store/club/work/whatever that you're in?
I would second KoG's suggestion. Borrow their decks and let them play with your decks. After all, by playing with the strategies they choose, they're acknowledging it's fair game that you play with those same strategies as well, no? If you beat them with their own decks, what are they going to complain about? That it's not fair that you have more skill than they do?
It may be the case that your playgroup is a bunch of sore losers, or more likely, if you're the only player that they whine about, they have tacitly agreed that they don't enjoy you being in the group (and it sounds like you don't really enjoy playing with them either). In that case, after having an honest conversation with these people, I'd cut my losses and find a new group. Life is too short to share what should be a fun hobby with people you're not actually having fun with.
If your level is much higher from the others just handicap yourself a bit. Starting with 6 or 15 life goes a long way to make the games more enjoyable for everyone (yes including you).
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Don't play to win in casual games. Just play so everyone has a fun time. I purposely play stupid in EDH matches and let everyone put out their armies even though I could have comboed off turns ago.
Don't play to win in casual games. Just play so everyone has a fun time. I purposely play stupid in EDH matches and let everyone put out their armies even though I could have comboed off turns ago.
I typically play "dumb" then try to recover from the mistake, makes the game more interesting and you learn more from failure than success as it forces you to think through your deck on game B and C plans. Especially as people gain skill and become more aggressive over time.
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I typically play "dumb" then try to recover from the mistake, makes the game more interesting and you learn more from failure than success as it forces you to think through your deck on game B and C plans. Especially as people gain skill and become more aggressive over time.
This is an interesting concept..... and could be valuable to competitive play as well.
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Don't play to win in casual games. Just play so everyone has a fun time. I purposely play stupid in EDH matches and let everyone put out their armies even though I could have comboed off turns ago.
I do the same things, my decks were too good, so I cut out some of the more ridiculous combos and moved my mana curve to the higher end so that they'd have fun and I'd be competitive with them rather than blatantly better.
I know I could crush them all at any time with certain strategies, but casual is far more about fun than winning, and when you friends enjoy the game but just aren't all that good, it's better to play to their level.
You ever have one guy in your group who is ridiculously good at a competitive video game? You know how unfun it is to play him over and over? It's that situation.
I've been in similar situations. There's a lot of good advice in this thread. I myself vary the power levels of my decks so that I can adjust based on the skill of my opponents. As they beat the weaker decks I start using the more powerful ones.
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If you have a big enough collection, you can Cube so that the decks aren't the issue anymore - can't blame someone's deck if it came from the same pool as yours, right?
Really though, nobody ever just approaches people and treats them like friends with a common goal (to have fun).
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Dude, They get mad when I point it oujt..... I basicly made all of there decks from my collection, therte are few cards they have bought that they still use, which are the only ones I want, other than that their decks are lout of my collection ( im very generous with the game lol) What does CUBING mean?
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Take a planned, but pretty large, collection of cards. Randomize them. Break into packs. Draft.
It's a way to give everyone access to the same pool of cards and from what I have heard it makes things more about general MTG skill - drafting, deck building, and then play.
And I don't mean for this to sound like an attack, but is it possible you have social issues and have been misreading these guys? If they are that quick to judge it sounds like something bigger is going on. I mean, I am pretty sure it would take 2-3 minutes before my playgroup got mad it me if I was to propose a wife swap. They listen first and THEN retort. We are also a bit older (no idea what your age is) and most of us value the group quite a bit - so we listen to each other and work for the greater good or something.
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That sounds fun.... and all I was asking is how to make the game funner becuase they complain about my decks.... my playgroup consist of older people mostly and younger people aswelll... I dunno, when I do something out of the norm or win most of the time they get upset and blame it on me :/ i dunno how to word it but it has been a continuous problem, im not to quick to judge
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I... don't know. One of their birthdays are coming up and he wants a "Decking Deck" I'll probably make one for him to build into.I already made one of them a Bad*** Burn deck that wins, but she dont like red :/ lol
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I would like to point out two other options.
One would be Type 4. A couple of interesting reads would be here and here.
Another possibility is to continue to play with the decks you have, but rotate who plays which deck. So yes, you wouldn't always get to play one of your five decks. If you allow others to play the "best" decks then they can win sometimes. More likely, however, you will have people win with the "other" decks, and they can different interactions of the cards, and learn how to pilot certain decks better, probably by watching you.
Admittedly, part of it could also be a maturity issue. You are also the kingpin of the group, since, as you said, most of those cards come from you. So there could be a little resentment going on (you give us these cruddy decks while keeping the good ones for yourself! kind of mentality). In that regard, I think that second option would really help. If you play, and win with, the decks they tend to lose with, they'll see that the other decks can also win.
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I would second KoG's suggestion. Borrow their decks and let them play with your decks. After all, by playing with the strategies they choose, they're acknowledging it's fair game that you play with those same strategies as well, no? If you beat them with their own decks, what are they going to complain about? That it's not fair that you have more skill than they do?
It may be the case that your playgroup is a bunch of sore losers, or more likely, if you're the only player that they whine about, they have tacitly agreed that they don't enjoy you being in the group (and it sounds like you don't really enjoy playing with them either). In that case, after having an honest conversation with these people, I'd cut my losses and find a new group. Life is too short to share what should be a fun hobby with people you're not actually having fun with.
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Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I typically play "dumb" then try to recover from the mistake, makes the game more interesting and you learn more from failure than success as it forces you to think through your deck on game B and C plans. Especially as people gain skill and become more aggressive over time.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
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Tibor, and Lumia - Savra, Queen of the Golgari
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This is an interesting concept..... and could be valuable to competitive play as well.
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I do the same things, my decks were too good, so I cut out some of the more ridiculous combos and moved my mana curve to the higher end so that they'd have fun and I'd be competitive with them rather than blatantly better.
I know I could crush them all at any time with certain strategies, but casual is far more about fun than winning, and when you friends enjoy the game but just aren't all that good, it's better to play to their level.
You ever have one guy in your group who is ridiculously good at a competitive video game? You know how unfun it is to play him over and over? It's that situation.
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