As it stands I say yes it could easily. There are a lot of other broken things in the format at a higher power level than dropping an Ugin on turn 4. (Maybe turn 3 if you got the nut draw) There aren't the crazy colorless payoffs like in Legacy or Modern either.
They would either have to be printed into a Pioneer Masters/Horizons like set OR there is an outside chance they could be printed into Standard in Dominaria United or The Brothers War coming soon. I don't see the lands breaking Standard either.
Your thoughts. Pros and Cons?
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so here are a few of my thoughts without talking or thinking about it too much.
I feel the colourless searching for them isn't as easy in pioneer. No expedition map, either of the eggs modern tron runs. so I believe the only tutor pioneer tron gets that is run in modern tron is sylvan scrying
There are also less "big" payoffs as no 7 mana Karn or wurmcoil engine. That leaves us with new Ulamog and KGC.
while the reasons I listed probably just mean tron would look pretty different if they were to put in in pioneer, I still don't know if that's something worth doing. I can be convinced otherwise but they seem to have pushed ramp in ways of building up mana through spells like explosive vegetation. Plus I just think the mono g devotion deck in pioneer is so much more interesting but that's beyond the point
I don't know Pioneer at all for if they would be okay, but I could totally see them in Standard again one day. Any given Standard has almost none of the tutoring that would make it anything special and payoffs are always around, but 'good' ones are another story. It's the same problem that it's been seeing in Modern in recent years where you build your whole deck around a 3 card combo and the payoff is worse than what the tempo decks get. I feel like in Pioneer, Walking Ballista would be the thing, and a whole combo deck for a turn 3 3/3 doesn't seem warping.
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I feel like in Pioneer, Walking Ballista would be the thing
Ballista in banned in Pioneer. Hence another of those colorless payoffs that aren't available in Pioneer unlike Modern.
There are so few colorless payoffs and so few cheap land tutors in Pioneer that it wouldn't even be as fast or powerful as some of the current decks that ramp and go big. At least it could bring some Eldrazi play to the format potentially in the form of Matter ReshaperThought-Knot Seer and Reality Smasher. Those cards are NOWHERE to be found in the format. There are none of the support cards that make Eldrazi Tron a thing in Modern for Pioneer as well. It would be totally safe unless they have something bonkers planned for Dominaria United and The Brothers War.
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I even think Eldrazi Temple would be safe to port into Pioneer as well.
I know a lot of people think Pioneer is "diverse" right now. I believe that is perceived diversity of decks that are pretty much playing the same core of tier level cards just in differing amounts and color combos. To make it truly more diverse we need more cards that will open up play of other cards. Out of the what, 9000 cards available in Pioneer I would venture to say that outside of lands there are only about 200 cards that show up in top tier decks. That isn't diversity, its just the opposite. It stifles card diversity.
I guess what I am trying to say is we need a Pioneer Masters/Horizons set right now to continue the health of the format. If not its going to be the same old core of 200 cards played all the time, with one or two breakthroughs from each set release that are OP. Looking at you Greasefang. But that is another thread entirely.
I say opening up Tron would probably barely even be noticed in the meta.
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Eldrazi tron would seem super weird in pioneer without aldrazi temple but all the cheap eldrazi are in pioneer, without a real home.
Yes, its why I mentioned it above. There are wide swaths of cards in Pioneer that could have that home with the right support printed into it. It could truly be a rich and varied format with the right changes.
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Eldrazi tron would seem super weird in pioneer without aldrazi temple but all the cheap eldrazi are in pioneer, without a real home.
Yes, its why I mentioned it above. There are wide swaths of cards in Pioneer that could have that home with the right support printed into it. It could truly be a rich and varied format with the right changes.
It will never happen, but I wonder if eye of ugin would be printed in pioneer instead. Less broken starts like with multiple eldrazi temple, but it adds some late game possibilities.
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Eldrazi tron would seem super weird in pioneer without aldrazi temple but all the cheap eldrazi are in pioneer, without a real home.
Yes, its why I mentioned it above. There are wide swaths of cards in Pioneer that could have that home with the right support printed into it. It could truly be a rich and varied format with the right changes.
It will never happen, but I wonder if eye of ugin would be printed in pioneer instead. Less broken starts like with multiple eldrazi temple, but it adds some late game possibilities.
I would be down with that. Doubt it will ever happen as well. Probably just more broken Winota like cards printed into standard then banned in Pioneer. It's their current Modus Operandi.
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As it stands I say yes it could easily. There are a lot of other broken things in the format at a higher power level than dropping an Ugin on turn 4. (Maybe turn 3 if you got the nut draw) There aren't the crazy colorless payoffs like in Legacy or Modern either.
They would either have to be printed into a Pioneer Masters/Horizons like set OR there is an outside chance they could be printed into Standard in Dominaria United or The Brothers War coming soon. I don't see the lands breaking Standard either.
Your thoughts. Pros and Cons?
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I feel the colourless searching for them isn't as easy in pioneer. No expedition map, either of the eggs modern tron runs. so I believe the only tutor pioneer tron gets that is run in modern tron is sylvan scrying
There are also less "big" payoffs as no 7 mana Karn or wurmcoil engine. That leaves us with new Ulamog and KGC.
while the reasons I listed probably just mean tron would look pretty different if they were to put in in pioneer, I still don't know if that's something worth doing. I can be convinced otherwise but they seem to have pushed ramp in ways of building up mana through spells like explosive vegetation. Plus I just think the mono g devotion deck in pioneer is so much more interesting but that's beyond the point
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Ballista in banned in Pioneer. Hence another of those colorless payoffs that aren't available in Pioneer unlike Modern.
There are so few colorless payoffs and so few cheap land tutors in Pioneer that it wouldn't even be as fast or powerful as some of the current decks that ramp and go big. At least it could bring some Eldrazi play to the format potentially in the form of Matter Reshaper Thought-Knot Seer and Reality Smasher. Those cards are NOWHERE to be found in the format. There are none of the support cards that make Eldrazi Tron a thing in Modern for Pioneer as well. It would be totally safe unless they have something bonkers planned for Dominaria United and The Brothers War.
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I know a lot of people think Pioneer is "diverse" right now. I believe that is perceived diversity of decks that are pretty much playing the same core of tier level cards just in differing amounts and color combos. To make it truly more diverse we need more cards that will open up play of other cards. Out of the what, 9000 cards available in Pioneer I would venture to say that outside of lands there are only about 200 cards that show up in top tier decks. That isn't diversity, its just the opposite. It stifles card diversity.
I guess what I am trying to say is we need a Pioneer Masters/Horizons set right now to continue the health of the format. If not its going to be the same old core of 200 cards played all the time, with one or two breakthroughs from each set release that are OP. Looking at you Greasefang. But that is another thread entirely.
I say opening up Tron would probably barely even be noticed in the meta.
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Yes, its why I mentioned it above. There are wide swaths of cards in Pioneer that could have that home with the right support printed into it. It could truly be a rich and varied format with the right changes.
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It will never happen, but I wonder if eye of ugin would be printed in pioneer instead. Less broken starts like with multiple eldrazi temple, but it adds some late game possibilities.
Nylea's Intervention is a worse expedition map
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I would be down with that. Doubt it will ever happen as well. Probably just more broken Winota like cards printed into standard then banned in Pioneer. It's their current Modus Operandi.
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