1. There are no alignment-changing roles, jesters, cults, or other nonsense like that in this game.
2. No post editing, no PM quoting. No discussing the game with anybody aside from me and people specifically outlined in your role PM, and only at the time and in the manner specified.
3. If you are dead, do not post or communicate with anybody about the game in any form. You may post a single "bah" post, provided that it does not contain any game-related material.
4. Election will be reached with a majority vote. No amount of unvoting will stop this.
5. If you need me to respond to something directly, please PM me. I probably won't respond to any question in-thread unless it is incredibly basic (e.g., a vote count mishap). Don't be surprised if the answer you get isn't what you expected.
6. Respect the spirit of the game and do not engage in any out-of-game behavior. Use of anything such as activity stalking or attempting to get yourself modkilled will result in a modkill, blacklisting from all of my future games, and recommendation that you be put on probation.
7. Please bold your votes. Unvote before voting for somebody else. Make all votes on a new line. If you do not follow these rules I will not count your vote.
8. If a deadline for a lynch is reached without a majority, the Day will end in No Lynch. If you fail to submit a Night action by the deadline, it will not be counted, even if I take a while to get to resolving it. Please inform me if you wish to take no action at Night.
9. Please title all game action-related PMs with "Presidential Mafia" and include the current Phase. If it's just a question, don't worry about anything like that.
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Credit for the rules goes to all of the fantastic mafia mods out there I wish I could be like.
1. This is a kingmaker game. Instead of voting to lynch, the votes are to elect a player president.
2. Election will be reached with a majority vote. No amount of unvoting will stop this. Votes for yourself will not count.
3. Once a player has been elected president, they are responsible for choosing the day's lynch. This choice is made in-thread, and in bold, like so: Lynch Player. You may use a more flavorful phrase if you wish, as long as it is clear what you are doing.
4. Players cannot be elected president more than two Days in a row.
5. Once a lynch choice has been made, it cannot be reversed.
6. There are several types of abilities. Normal abilities are always active. "Party in Power" abilities are active when your party is in power (i.e., when the president is part of the same party as you). "Presidential" abilities are active while you are president. Players may have some, all, or none of these different types of abilities.
7. Read your role PM carefully! Various abilities can be used at different times. If something is unclear, let me know!
8. The Town win condition is: "You win when all the scum have been eliminated."
9. The Scum win condition is: "You win when you control the vote"
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2. Generic (D)
10. ImTehFairy(R) (r. Stormblind)
Dropped Out (10)
5. Prophylaxis (D) (r. Mitt Romney), Charlie MacDuff, The Big Cheese, Assassinated by drone Day 1.
12. Azrael (D) (r. Vermin Supreme), Elaine Lee, The Filibusterer, Killed Night 1.
3. Jonpike1 (D), Janine Wallace, The Investigative Reporter, Resigned in shame Night 1.
1. Bill Clinton (R), Wesley Davidson, The VEEP, Expertly taken out Day 2.
6. pinkys_brain (R), Vincenza Zeffirelli, The Political Assassin, Assassinated Night 2.
4. Wheat_Grinder (D) (r. Lord_McDonalds), Richard Edwards, The Ballot Stuffer, Sniped Day 3.
9. Cythare (R) (r. Ron Paul the Hero of Time), Caleb Newcomb, The General of the War Room, Took a bullet Night 3.
11. The Most Curious Thing (D), Preston Gray, The Freshman Congressman, Messed with the wrong Cage Day 4.
8. Stephen Colbert (R) (r. rogueofoz), Minako Tomoda, The Single Issue Candidate, Incinerated Night 4.
7. PopeRonPaul (R), Cecilia Leblanc, The Corrupt Senator, Soundly defeated Day 5.
The president of the United States of America turned around to see who was addressing him, and was pleased to see that it was Nicolas Cage.
"Mr. Cage, how the hell are you!" The president went to shake Cage's hand but was rebuffed.
"Mr. President, I'm afraid that there is a serious situation afoot. A Secret Service agent and a staffer were found dead outside of the White House. We suspect terrorist activity."
The president stood silently for a few seconds, slowly realizing the gravity of the situation. He ran the scenarios through his head—was his life at risk? Was the country being attacked?
"What do we do?"
"I have the situation under control. The Secret Service has been mobilized. I arranged for transportation for you to a secure location. Congress is on lockdown. The vice president has been secured in one of the safehouses. We're looking to root out the perpetrators. In the meantime, I'll stay with you. Let's move."
It was times like these that the president was glad that he had appointed Nicolas Cage to be director of the FBI.
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Iso, The Secret Service Agent and AsianInvasion, The White House Staffer have been found dead pregame.
It is now Day One. With 12 alive, it's 7 to elect.
Oh joy kingmaker game and a game full of gimmicks.
Yeah I'm not placing a vote on anyone right now, even for lol reasons.
@Generic: You have thoughts on how best to figure out who to give power too other then random voting?
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Thats ok, Im mexican, I can see the analogy in politics everywhere.
On voting..... I think first day is always random (apart from the scum, that is never random) we just have very little (or no info at all) day one, to make an inform vote, but if someone has a method then we can surely use it.
I've been trying to think of a way of getting out of the random and right into discussion.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
My answers:
1. yes
2. I hate that people never listen to me and I make poor arguments that get ignored, especially when I'm right
3. gut. At this point it's all I have to go on.
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I'm actually a gimmick of Prophylaxis, but I'm using this account for value.
@pinkys_brain: How come we just don't play regular mafia? Scumhunt, use FoSes in replacement for votes, and when someone reaches 7 FoSes we elect whoever is the most townie and make them lynch the guy.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
1. Me.
2. I'm running on a campaign promise of 0% crime.
3. By not getting hung up on meta. There's not much to say here
I'm actually a gimmick of Prophylaxis, but I'm using this account for value.
@pinkys_brain: How come we just don't play regular mafia? Scumhunt, use FoSes in replacement for votes, and when someone reaches 7 FoSes we elect whoever is the most townie and make them lynch the guy.
I don't see FOS work for reaction like a vote does. Plus I have never really enjoyed rvs
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I don't see FOS work for reaction like a vote does. Plus I have never really enjoyed rvs
Of course, an FoS is never as good as a vote. But this is a special game where we can't really vote in the traditional sense. I'm pretty sure if we "count" FoSes and basically treat them like a vote we can just treat this game as a regular game of mafia.
I don't see FOS work for reaction like a vote does. Plus I have never really enjoyed rvs
Of course, an FoS is never as good as a vote. But this is a special game where we can't really vote in the traditional sense. I'm pretty sure if we "count" FoSes and basically treat them like a vote we can just treat this game as a regular game of mafia.
FOS is fine later when I think someone is scum. Voting is electing someone to decide the lynch. FOS during rvs seems pointless right now
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I think our best course of action for D1 would be to elect someone as president, then scumhunt and have the person who is president lynch whoever we decide is scum. Letting someone make a unilateral decision about who dies would be a terrible play D1. Also, that leaves us with a democratic style of lynching that we are used to. I think FOSing would work just like a vote-stand in. If someone reaches 7 FOSes, then we would generally decide that's the person the president should kill.
I think our best course of action for D1 would be to elect someone as president, then scumhunt and have the person who is president lynch whoever we decide is scum. Letting someone make a unilateral decision about who dies would be a terrible play D1. Also, that leaves us with a democratic style of lynching that we are used to. I think FOSing would work just like a vote-stand in. If someone reaches 7 FOSes, then we would generally decide that's the person the president should kill.
If you feel this way, why no vote?
I'm on the fence about this. I've come across stubborn players that don't listen many times and do as they please or not really read what is being said.
Right now for me it's getting reads and figuring out who to trust
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@Bill: How would we go around electing someone as president?
A couple of thoughts on that:
1. We should elect a president from whatever party is more likely to have more town members. So given that, on D1 I think we should decide who to lynch via FOS and then elect someone from the opposite party to lynch them. That way it's 6 vs. 5 in-power/out-of-power going into the Night and a lower chance of the mafia dominating the in-power abilities.
2. The president 100% needs to be a generally-accepted townie player because of presidential abilities. Preferably a generally-accepted townie player that has one.
I think our best course of action for D1 would be to elect someone as president, then scumhunt and have the person who is president lynch whoever we decide is scum. Letting someone make a unilateral decision about who dies would be a terrible play D1.
Doesn't this contradict itself, voting someone as president is the same as letting someone make a unilateral decision, we should scumfirst THAN pick a president.
Also, Did you or did you have sexual relations with that woman/
I don't think we can have FOS votes, I mean, we can all vote and such but if we elect someone president and regardless of our democratic voting, the president just outright kills another player, we can't really do anything about it other than vote the next day for another person and hope we hit one of ours (town) and lynch the bad guy.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
1. Not me, I'm new to this forums and I'm trying to adjust to the style of play and trying to analyze how everyone is on games.
2. Don't think can make an inform judgment on who is faking and who is not.
Doesn't this contradict itself, voting someone as president is the same as letting someone make a unilateral decision, we should scumfirst THAN pick a president.
Actually no. Telling whoever we vote in as president that they HAVE to kill who we as a town decide to kill is not making a unilateral decision. It will give us two pieces of information:
-Who was on board with making that kill and why.
-If the president goes against our wishes and kills someone else, we have a solid target the next day for being anti-town.
1. We should elect a president from whatever party is more likely to have more town members. So given that, on D1 I think we should decide who to lynch via FOS and then elect someone from the opposite party to lynch them. That way it's 6 vs. 5 in-power/out-of-power going into the Night and a lower chance of the mafia dominating the in-power abilities.
2. The president 100% needs to be a generally-accepted townie player because of presidential abilities. Preferably a generally-accepted townie player that has one.
Um..what? This is the scummiest possible post that could have been made at this time. FOS The Most Curious Thing
1.) That is a whole lot of gaming the mod. There is no way to know which "party is more likely to have town members." Killing along party lines is terrible logic, and something I'd expect a scum to try to trick the town into doing.
2.) Trying to out power roles this early on D1? Shame on you.
Question to bill Clinton.
Why would a person elected on the strength of being willing to lynch the person everyone else agrees on suddenly ho against it? Mafia aren't that stupid around here are they?
And it troubled me those who seem quite aggressive in this push for a group decision. We have a mafia team likely to try and work together in swaying opinion. We have a mafia team that might try to bully the game to get the out ones they want.
So right now the almost threatening attitude against independent thought is very telling already.
It's not about "threatening" "independent thought" it's about still trying to play this game the way that we all know how. How many times have you picked out a scum on D1 and been correct? In my experience the town mislynches most often on D1, but analysis of interactions between players generated during this mislynch often ends up illuminating members of the scum team.
At this time, there isn't a single player that I would trust to make that decision on reputation alone.
So how do we pick? We start working towards who we all think is scum. We find out who is the most townie, then we elect them and have them kill the person we all think is scum. I'm generally not going to vote for someone who thinks that someone is town who I think is scum, or vice versa.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
I'm fine, happy to just sit back and see what happens for the first Day, I've never played kingmaker before. As for gimmick hunting, I for one will just treat them like people we've never played with before. Don't discount things they do as newbie mistakes, analyze their voting patterns.
I don't think we can have FOS votes, I mean, we can all vote and such but if we elect someone president and regardless of our democratic voting, the president just outright kills another player, we can't really do anything about it other than vote the next day for another person and hope we hit one of ours (town) and lynch the bad guy.
We can have FOS votes to choose who to lynch, and anyone who is voted kingmaker, then kills someone against the popular vote either has to hit scum - or they are scum and should be summarily executed. I think that if a particular kingmaker hits scum early, then they should be the executioner in that case.
We can have FOS votes to choose who to lynch, and anyone who is voted kingmaker, then kills someone against the popular vote either has to hit scum - or they are scum and should be summarily executed. I think that if a particular kingmaker hits scum early, then they should be the executioner in that case.
So essentially you are telling a potential mafia kingmaker to bus a lower significance teammate and you will allow him to happily kill away for the rest of the game?
Is everyone in this actually a n00b?
If he wants to give up his teammates who are we to complain, hmm?
It's not about "threatening" "independent thought" it's about still trying to play this game the way that we all know how. How many times have you picked out a scum on D1 and been correct? In my experience the town mislynches most often on D1, but analysis of interactions between players generated during this mislynch often ends up illuminating members of the scum team.
How many times have you seen people not read what is being said in thread and go to a beat of their own and be town?
How many times have seen scum go against the town?
I'm generally not going to vote for someone who thinks that someone is town who I think is scum, or vice versa.
If everyone agreed with each others reads games would be a lot quicker.
@Bill: Would you tell me who you really are under that gimmick?
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
I'm fine, happy to just sit back and see what happens for the first Day, I've never played kingmaker before. As for gimmick hunting, I for one will just treat them like people we've never played with before. Don't discount things they do as newbie mistakes, analyze their voting patterns.
I don't think we can have FOS votes, I mean, we can all vote and such but if we elect someone president and regardless of our democratic voting, the president just outright kills another player, we can't really do anything about it other than vote the next day for another person and hope we hit one of ours (town) and lynch the bad guy.
We can have FOS votes to choose who to lynch, and anyone who is voted kingmaker, then kills someone against the popular vote either has to hit scum - or they are scum and should be summarily executed. I think that if a particular kingmaker hits scum early, then they should be the executioner in that case.
Listen I'm not going to give a free pass if someone goes against the town here, but I'm also wanting to see reasoning from everyone on who is scum. I don't think scum would be stupid with all the threats against them to go with the town.
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So far I like that he is reading the game, I see he picked up on some things that most players miss. I also like he is willing to put his beliefs on the like despite public opinion. Not something I would see scum do.
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How many times have you seen people not read what is being said in thread and go to a beat of their own and be town?
How many times have seen scum go against the town?
Quite often, and those players aren't the ones usually pegging scum. They are usually pretty misguided and pegging other townies and causing mislynches for which they, in turn, get mislynched.
Often enough to where I'd still expect a scum to not kill a teammate in order to kill off the most suspicious townie and try to get townie points for killing them with a "good reason."
If everyone agreed with each others reads games would be a lot quicker.
@Bill: Would you tell me who you really are under that gimmick?
If everyone agreed these games wouldn't be any fun. That being said, I'd trust someone who has a similar mindset to me to have killing power over someone who doesn't.
I haven't played with anyone here before that's using their real account. As far as possibly having played with other gimmicks here, I don't know. That being said, I'd rather be judged on my patterns and logic than any kind of meta.
Why would a person willing to go against the grain be voted as the day 1 president?
There's a few players new to this site and a bunch of gimmicks. We have no idea who is willing to go against the grain on D1. Just like politicians in real life, someone could be completely different on the campaign trail than they are once they are voted into office.
It's like saying "we have picked player A because he said he would vote for player C, but if he picks player B he must die!"
1. It goes without saying surely? Unless you mean it as a threat that is (bullying). And 2. Refer to point 1.
1.) I never said anything like if they go don't do what they said they were going to do they "must die!" I said that we'd have a solid anti-town action to look into the next day.
2.) You say here that it goes without saying that we would look into someone who goes against town wishes, which is agreeing with what I said. Then you accuse me of being "threatening" for stating that we should consider anyone who is going against the majority wishes anti-town. Could you clarify for me what you mean here.
Now on the point. You said it yourself, day 1 we have very little to go in in picking a president who we can be sure is town. So if we have trouble identifying a definite town what makes you think we as a group will he the perfect minds to identify a scum to lynch? It's a contradiction.
That's a pretty bad misrepresentation. I said we pick someone who is the "most townie" and have them kill the person "we all think is scum." I never said anything about "definite town" or that we would hit scum D1.
There's no contradiction. I think it's just as hard to peg someone town D1 as it is to peg scum. I'm saying that we learn a lot from player interactions once we have people commit to a stance on a player and the alignment of that player is revealed upon death.
But you have that person choose for thensves, you have all manner of stuff to look at. Why did they choose them? What excuses do they make if they mislynch? If mafia would they bus a teammate to look good?
You masteran has the person elected absolved of all responsibility, and we could still end up with s mislynch. Genius.
Would you trade the possible reads and viewing interactions of all players in the game for "all manner of stuff to look at" in regards to a single player?
You can get a lot of info based off the elected presidents stance on who we are telling them to kill. Do they seem remorseful? Are they making statements with inside information? Do they have conviction that the target is scum?
Your master plan almost guarantees a mislynch, then absolves the other 10 players of all responsibility. Anyone could just say "I can't believe the president killed a townie, I totally wouldn't have done that!"
Bill, there is a difference between having a person make a decision based on evidence that others have posted as well as their own thoughts, and electing someone who is only allowed to lynch the majority opinions choice.
I have played in games where three or four players stubbornly maintained a vote on a player when the rest were adamant another player was scum. And the minority had it right in the end, but were overshadowed by a majority opinion that turned out wrong.
Call me an optimist, but I'd like to think that if a majority thinks that someone is scum there will be plenty of evidence in thread to justify that opinion.
We have slightly different experience then.
Now say you get elected bill, cos I will say now your follow up post there was markably more pro town than your previous ones. You are in power and you have got someone who in your mind is scum. You have seen a scum tell that leaves you in no doubt and I have also posted something that further convinces you that person is torn. But we are outnumbered by pinkys brain arguement against someone else that everyone else prefers to see lynched.
You got the choice, which way would you go? The player you and I have seen as scum, or the player that 6 or 7 have pointed out as the best lynch for day 1?
Assuming we are talking about D1:
That kind of depends on if the person that the minority opinion thinks is scum is part of the 7 other players calling for a lynch. For example: Both you and I have made certain that we are clearly displaying why person X is scum, and person X, along with 6 other players, is calling for the lynch of player Y. In that case, I would point out repeatedly why the majority is wrong. If a large majority still insisted on killing player Y, I would of course make that kill. But it would be public record that I was against it, why I was against it, and out of my hands that that person had to die. If that person was scum, then I look terrible, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. If my reads are that bad that I think someone is clearly town and they flip scum, then obviously don't ever vote me again. If they flip town, at that point I'm certainly going to go "I told you so, now lets get to pressuring player X for all the stated reasons, as well as in addition causing a town death."
The biggest power of the president is that they decide when the day ends. If the FOSes against a kill target are random votes, barn votes, bandwagon votes, etc. The president can withhold killing the target until people clarify their reasons or justify their votes. We don't have to worry about scum coming in and hammering to end the day. We can get a lot more information out of every player if a president doesn't let people lurk or bandwagon their way through the day.
1.) That is a whole lot of gaming the mod. There is no way to know which "party is more likely to have town members." Killing along party lines is terrible logic, and something I'd expect a scum to try to trick the town into doing.
You're misquoting me; I said "whatever party is more likely to have more town members." Which is the party that has more living players overall.
Let's say there are three scum and we lynch a scum-Democrat Day 1. Without further information or modgaming, there are three different ways the two remaining scum could be distributed:
If all of those possibilities are equal, it favors the town if the Republicans are in power.
Now let's say there are three scum and we mislynch a town-Democrat Day 1. Without further information or modgaming, there are four different ways the three remaining scum could be distributed:
So essentially you are telling a potential mafia kingmaker to bus a lower significance teammate and you will allow him to happily kill away for the rest of the game?
Is everyone in this actually a n00b?
If he wants to give up his teammates who are we to complain, hmm?
So are you saying that that president should be president for the rest of game?
If they flip town, at that point I'm certainly going to go "I told you so, now lets get to pressuring player X for all the stated reasons, as well as in addition causing a town death."
The rest of your example here had good points, but there is where I have a bone to pick: this gives a scum president a backdoor to line up mislynches of Players Y and X more easily, which is devastating in a Mini.
It's also an issue if the president mislynches Player X first, setting up the super sticky WIFOM of "if I were scum, why would I lynch a townie that the majority didn't want lynched?" -- leading the town to still consider a mislynch of Player X.
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The above paragraph is also directed to you -- WIFOM makes the kill analysis of a rogue president very difficult. And Bill is right that we still get info from the posts of a president that lynches who he's told to.)
I'd support a compromise rule whereby the president can only lynch players that at least [4 - # of dead scum] players want dead.
I think that if we tell the president who to lynch, then we just might as well choose a president with a presidential ability so he can help us more then just "let's choose player x" like any other mafia game
I like generic 'cause he is reading well along the lines, and from what I'm reading if someone has some clue on who can be scum that very well be him, just from what I'm reading from everyone, but if someone has some sort of info on the other way, we can always choose someone else
One thing we haven't established is whether the mafia have a nailed on killing role in night phase or if its only on condition of being elected president in the day.
I have an ability that kicks in during the night if I'm elected, hence why I ponder this.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
See, I can't vote for someone who would turn his back on his own views for public opinion. A strong leader doesn't always make the right decisions but is at least strong f Pugh in character to stand by his choices.
You have effectively told me you are willing to bow to public opinion and then distance yourself from having made that choice with an 'I told you so'.
I want a shepherd in charge if the flock, not a sheep.
1.) I'm not going to have a strong enough conviction about a player *on Day 1* to go against public opinion.
2.) I'm not advocating that I be elected president today, and would rather I not be.
@TMCT: Your logic about living members makes sense, but your example is flawed.
1.) You're stating that on D1 it benefits us to have a president that lynches someone from the opposite party using two examples where we lynch scum/town D1. We can't have a kill and it still be D1. That's great logic for D2, though.
2.) You're a Democrat using the example where we kill a Democrat D1, which seems to be advocating killing someone from your own party and leaving the other party in power the next day.
Trying to twist my words this early on D1? Shame on you. You should also read between the lines of my posts
Or you could post what you mean and not expect me to have inside information. No idea what you mean by reading between the lines in this context. Please clarify.
Are you seriously worried about two votes on a player? E-5?
I'm more worried about people not reading the rules of a gametype that not many of us seem familiar with.
Also: I agree about the WIFOM, there's too much to take into account, and two or more ways to read someones motive when a kill is involved.
I'm really concerned about how many people are talking about their abilities and fishing for others to talk about their abilities. That is not good D1 talk. I'd rather not start pointing out power roles for the scum to kill tonight or kill if they are elected.
As for your point to me, noted, and I will guarantee you that if ever in the power seat I will never go and rogue lynch someone that only I have issues with. I just refuse to follow a majority if I don't agree with it. If I agree then of course there is no issue, but I would alway look at all evidence ce against all candidates and that would mean at least a few other people having an opinion that the lynchee was scummy.
Ok, I'll just wait for some more evidence until I produce a vote so, Unvote
I'm certainly fishing billy boy, but my net might have spotted something along the way. Not you btw.
Post #53, rogue fox fishes for investigative roles et al.
I poke at potential mafia abilities and throw a perceived bone about me. Post #56, rogue fox opens up about a cryptic ability that has a subtle stench about it. A role that makes him vital to town yet cannot use his ability until later...
I don't advocate any claiming. At all. Anyone wants to use that as a campaign tool can stand in the corner and think about what they have done.
I didn't say that I'm vital to town, I just claim to have an ability, as of right now I'm just a vanilla town, hence if we are going to lynch a town D1, it might as well be me, that I don't think I have that important of a role anyway.
And at #53 I was using as info YOUR own claim on having a presidential ability on your role as well as ron paul's claim, on having important roles on being presidents early on
One thing we haven't established is whether the mafia have a nailed on killing role in night phase or if its only on condition of being elected president in the day.
I have an ability that kicks in during the night if I'm elected, hence why I ponder this.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
I sensationalised the point which was wrong of me, but the alarm bells rang at the bolded points in your post.
I was pointing out that I don't want to be president right now, but I was sorta of campaigning for a future election, plus trying to attract attention from scum so I get target on Night 1, and get killed so other more important town roles can survive for at least one more phase.
I think that if we tell the president who to lynch, then we just might as well choose a president with a presidential ability so he can help us more then just "let's choose player x" like any other mafia game
Also, this post here, post number 53, was because of MY claim of having an ability?
You mean the claim I made at post 55?
Rogueofoz can see into the future, either that or he is attempting to bull**** out if a hole.
Definitely politician material.
I remember someone role claiming to have and important ability on presidency early on it might as well be ron paul (the hero of time kind), but later on you actually state to have some role beneficiary at president, so I add that on my later explanation, but didn't really remember if it came earlier or later than my original post at #53
One thing we haven't established is whether the mafia have a nailed on killing role in night phase or if its only on condition of being elected president in the day.
I have an ability that kicks in during the night if I'm elected, hence why I ponder this.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
I sensationalised the point which was wrong of me, but the alarm bells rang at the bolded points in your post.
I was pointing out that I don't want to be president right now, but I was sorta of campaigning for a future election, plus trying to attract attention from scum so I get target on Night 1, and get killed so other more important town roles can survive for at least one more phase.
Campaigning for future presidency AND trying to get night killed in place of others?
So you can see into the future, rise from the dead AND win a later election as a zombie?
So you don't consider yourself at all important now, yet important later... But you want to die for the good of the town night 1?
Please stop me when this is starting to sound completely ridiculous...
I never mention in any of my post to be important, again, I just stated that I have some sort of ability that cannot be use right now, even with my ability I'm not important at all, but it is better to do something than be a vanilla all of the game, even if it's marginal.
Since I don't know if were going to take the bait, I might as well campaign for other days, plus adds to the "Im a valuable target to kill" that I was looking for.
You don't claim to be important but want to look valuable...
No, you are still digging downwards rogueofoz. You are using as a defence that you never claimed to be important, yet just admitted to wanting to look valuable to town... Since no cash offers are made for players I would suggest that I was right to use the word 'important'.
I wasn't going for "hey you guys need me to win" I just was trying to imply "hey here is a good target"
I see that my post put me on a compromising position, and I don't really have a good defense for it, the only thing I can say it's:
I did failed on what I was trying to accomplish and I will apologize for stirring you guys lynch a town, and when you lynch me well, no good other info you will have because of my fault, when I'm revealed as part of town.
One thing we haven't established is whether the mafia have a nailed on killing role in night phase or if its only on condition of being elected president in the day.
I have an ability that kicks in during the night if I'm elected, hence why I ponder this.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
In addition to what Generic has pointed out, I notice a slip in fixing language here: "they should can kill"
Rogue is on my "want dead" list along with Bill Clinton.
Also, in case people didn't see it: I have a very good ability that activates if I'm the president.
One thing we haven't established is whether the mafia have a nailed on killing role in night phase or if its only on condition of being elected president in the day.
I have an ability that kicks in during the night if I'm elected, hence why I ponder this.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
In addition to what Generic has pointed out, I notice a slip in fixing language here: "they should can kill"
Rogue is on my "want dead" list along with Bill Clinton.
Also, in case people didn't see it: I have a very good ability that activates if I'm the president.
sorry my English is not that grate, since is not my first language.
@Generic this is what I was referring to with #53.... He has claim a "good role if elected president" two times now, if I'm not mistaken
"Four more years!"
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2. Generic (D)
10. ImTehFairy(R) (r. Stormblind)
Dropped Out (10)
5. Prophylaxis (D) (r. Mitt Romney), Charlie MacDuff, The Big Cheese, Assassinated by drone Day 1.
12. Azrael (D) (r. Vermin Supreme), Elaine Lee, The Filibusterer, Killed Night 1.
3. Jonpike1 (D), Janine Wallace, The Investigative Reporter, Resigned in shame Night 1.
1. Bill Clinton (R), Wesley Davidson, The VEEP, Expertly taken out Day 2.
6. pinkys_brain (R), Vincenza Zeffirelli, The Political Assassin, Assassinated Night 2.
4. Wheat_Grinder (D) (r. Lord_McDonalds), Richard Edwards, The Ballot Stuffer, Sniped Day 3.
9. Cythare (R) (r. Ron Paul the Hero of Time), Caleb Newcomb, The General of the War Room, Took a bullet Night 3.
11. The Most Curious Thing (D), Preston Gray, The Freshman Congressman, Messed with the wrong Cage Day 4.
8. Stephen Colbert (R) (r. rogueofoz), Minako Tomoda, The Single Issue Candidate, Incinerated Night 4.
7. PopeRonPaul (R), Cecilia Leblanc, The Corrupt Senator, Soundly defeated Day 5.
Vote Count 1
Vote Count 2
Vote Count 3 and Replacement
Vote Count 4
Vote Count 5 and Replacement
Vote Count 6 and pinkys_brain elected
Vote Count 7 and Replacement
Vote Count 8
Prophylaxis Lynched
pinkys_brain re-elected
Replacement
Replacement and Deadline Updated
Bill Clinton Lynched
Vote Count 1
Vote Count 2 and Rules Change
Vote Count 3
Stephen Colbert elected
Fos Count 4
Fos Count 5
Wheat_Grinder Lynched
Stephen Colbert re-elected
TMCT Lynched
"Mr. President!"
The president of the United States of America turned around to see who was addressing him, and was pleased to see that it was Nicolas Cage.
"Mr. Cage, how the hell are you!" The president went to shake Cage's hand but was rebuffed.
"Mr. President, I'm afraid that there is a serious situation afoot. A Secret Service agent and a staffer were found dead outside of the White House. We suspect terrorist activity."
The president stood silently for a few seconds, slowly realizing the gravity of the situation. He ran the scenarios through his head—was his life at risk? Was the country being attacked?
"What do we do?"
"I have the situation under control. The Secret Service has been mobilized. I arranged for transportation for you to a secure location. Congress is on lockdown. The vice president has been secured in one of the safehouses. We're looking to root out the perpetrators. In the meantime, I'll stay with you. Let's move."
It was times like these that the president was glad that he had appointed Nicolas Cage to be director of the FBI.
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Iso, The Secret Service Agent and AsianInvasion, The White House Staffer have been found dead pregame.
It is now Day One. With 12 alive, it's 7 to elect.
You have one month until deadline.
Yeah I'm not placing a vote on anyone right now, even for lol reasons.
@Generic: You have thoughts on how best to figure out who to give power too other then random voting?
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On voting..... I think first day is always random (apart from the scum, that is never random) we just have very little (or no info at all) day one, to make an inform vote, but if someone has a method then we can surely use it.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
My answers:
1. yes
2. I hate that people never listen to me and I make poor arguments that get ignored, especially when I'm right
3. gut. At this point it's all I have to go on.
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I'm actually a gimmick of Prophylaxis, but I'm using this account for value.
@pinkys_brain: How come we just don't play regular mafia? Scumhunt, use FoSes in replacement for votes, and when someone reaches 7 FoSes we elect whoever is the most townie and make them lynch the guy.
And in my feverish dreams of a Ron Paul/Link hybrid I assumed he was Democrat, but what can you do.
1. Me.
2. I'm running on a campaign promise of 0% crime.
3. By not getting hung up on meta. There's not much to say here
I don't see FOS work for reaction like a vote does. Plus I have never really enjoyed rvs
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Of course, an FoS is never as good as a vote. But this is a special game where we can't really vote in the traditional sense. I'm pretty sure if we "count" FoSes and basically treat them like a vote we can just treat this game as a regular game of mafia.
FOS is fine later when I think someone is scum. Voting is electing someone to decide the lynch. FOS during rvs seems pointless right now
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Apart from that I agree with your plan.
If you feel this way, why no vote?
I'm on the fence about this. I've come across stubborn players that don't listen many times and do as they please or not really read what is being said.
Right now for me it's getting reads and figuring out who to trust
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A couple of thoughts on that:
1. We should elect a president from whatever party is more likely to have more town members. So given that, on D1 I think we should decide who to lynch via FOS and then elect someone from the opposite party to lynch them. That way it's 6 vs. 5 in-power/out-of-power going into the Night and a lower chance of the mafia dominating the in-power abilities.
2. The president 100% needs to be a generally-accepted townie player because of presidential abilities. Preferably a generally-accepted townie player that has one.
1. Pretty much everyone, town want it to prevent scum from causing a mislynch, scum want it to lynch town.
2.
To ensure the international expansion of the warsaw pactTo protect and enforce the constitution3. Don't have much experience with gimmicks, so I'll have to get back to you on that.
Doesn't this contradict itself, voting someone as president is the same as letting someone make a unilateral decision, we should scumfirst THAN pick a president.
Also, Did you or did you have sexual relations with that woman/
So vote for me to be your presidentz
FOS: Non-me Ron Paul.
1> In short who wants the job day 1 of kingmaker?
2>Why do you want the job? (no I'm people if they have a special ability so stop being paranoid already)
3>How do you scum hunt with gimmicks?
1. Not me, I'm new to this forums and I'm trying to adjust to the style of play and trying to analyze how everyone is on games.
2. Don't think can make an inform judgment on who is faking and who is not.
3. I'll do my best
Actually no. Telling whoever we vote in as president that they HAVE to kill who we as a town decide to kill is not making a unilateral decision. It will give us two pieces of information:
-Who was on board with making that kill and why.
-If the president goes against our wishes and kills someone else, we have a solid target the next day for being anti-town.
Um..what? This is the scummiest possible post that could have been made at this time. FOS The Most Curious Thing
1.) That is a whole lot of gaming the mod. There is no way to know which "party is more likely to have town members." Killing along party lines is terrible logic, and something I'd expect a scum to try to trick the town into doing.
2.) Trying to out power roles this early on D1? Shame on you.
It's not about "threatening" "independent thought" it's about still trying to play this game the way that we all know how. How many times have you picked out a scum on D1 and been correct? In my experience the town mislynches most often on D1, but analysis of interactions between players generated during this mislynch often ends up illuminating members of the scum team.
At this time, there isn't a single player that I would trust to make that decision on reputation alone.
So how do we pick? We start working towards who we all think is scum. We find out who is the most townie, then we elect them and have them kill the person we all think is scum. I'm generally not going to vote for someone who thinks that someone is town who I think is scum, or vice versa.
How many times have you seen people not read what is being said in thread and go to a beat of their own and be town?
How many times have seen scum go against the town?
If everyone agreed with each others reads games would be a lot quicker.
@Bill: Would you tell me who you really are under that gimmick?
Listen I'm not going to give a free pass if someone goes against the town here, but I'm also wanting to see reasoning from everyone on who is scum. I don't think scum would be stupid with all the threats against them to go with the town.
vote(elect):Generic
So far I like that he is reading the game, I see he picked up on some things that most players miss. I also like he is willing to put his beliefs on the like despite public opinion. Not something I would see scum do.
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I like Pinky's desire to elect Generic but I believe Generic himself said he doesn't want to get elected? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
I strongly suggest you elect me because of my starting ability plus the abilities I gain. However, Generic is a good second choice. Vote Generic.
Additionally I don't like Pope's attitude but it's not indicative of scum.
Quite often, and those players aren't the ones usually pegging scum. They are usually pretty misguided and pegging other townies and causing mislynches for which they, in turn, get mislynched.
Often enough to where I'd still expect a scum to not kill a teammate in order to kill off the most suspicious townie and try to get townie points for killing them with a "good reason."
If everyone agreed these games wouldn't be any fun. That being said, I'd trust someone who has a similar mindset to me to have killing power over someone who doesn't.
I haven't played with anyone here before that's using their real account. As far as possibly having played with other gimmicks here, I don't know. That being said, I'd rather be judged on my patterns and logic than any kind of meta.
There's a few players new to this site and a bunch of gimmicks. We have no idea who is willing to go against the grain on D1. Just like politicians in real life, someone could be completely different on the campaign trail than they are once they are voted into office.
1.) I never said anything like if they go don't do what they said they were going to do they "must die!" I said that we'd have a solid anti-town action to look into the next day.
2.) You say here that it goes without saying that we would look into someone who goes against town wishes, which is agreeing with what I said. Then you accuse me of being "threatening" for stating that we should consider anyone who is going against the majority wishes anti-town. Could you clarify for me what you mean here.
That's a pretty bad misrepresentation. I said we pick someone who is the "most townie" and have them kill the person "we all think is scum." I never said anything about "definite town" or that we would hit scum D1.
There's no contradiction. I think it's just as hard to peg someone town D1 as it is to peg scum. I'm saying that we learn a lot from player interactions once we have people commit to a stance on a player and the alignment of that player is revealed upon death.
Would you trade the possible reads and viewing interactions of all players in the game for "all manner of stuff to look at" in regards to a single player?
You can get a lot of info based off the elected presidents stance on who we are telling them to kill. Do they seem remorseful? Are they making statements with inside information? Do they have conviction that the target is scum?
Your master plan almost guarantees a mislynch, then absolves the other 10 players of all responsibility. Anyone could just say "I can't believe the president killed a townie, I totally wouldn't have done that!"
with all the votes they are throwing around.
I think is a totally valid point to this, I like how generic is campaigning and the conclusions he is able to get I will also. Vote Generic.
Call me an optimist, but I'd like to think that if a majority thinks that someone is scum there will be plenty of evidence in thread to justify that opinion.
We have slightly different experience then.
Assuming we are talking about D1:
That kind of depends on if the person that the minority opinion thinks is scum is part of the 7 other players calling for a lynch. For example: Both you and I have made certain that we are clearly displaying why person X is scum, and person X, along with 6 other players, is calling for the lynch of player Y. In that case, I would point out repeatedly why the majority is wrong. If a large majority still insisted on killing player Y, I would of course make that kill. But it would be public record that I was against it, why I was against it, and out of my hands that that person had to die. If that person was scum, then I look terrible, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. If my reads are that bad that I think someone is clearly town and they flip scum, then obviously don't ever vote me again. If they flip town, at that point I'm certainly going to go "I told you so, now lets get to pressuring player X for all the stated reasons, as well as in addition causing a town death."
The biggest power of the president is that they decide when the day ends. If the FOSes against a kill target are random votes, barn votes, bandwagon votes, etc. The president can withhold killing the target until people clarify their reasons or justify their votes. We don't have to worry about scum coming in and hammering to end the day. We can get a lot more information out of every player if a president doesn't let people lurk or bandwagon their way through the day.
You're misquoting me; I said "whatever party is more likely to have more town members." Which is the party that has more living players overall.
Let's say there are three scum and we lynch a scum-Democrat Day 1. Without further information or modgaming, there are three different ways the two remaining scum could be distributed:
If all of those possibilities are equal, it favors the town if the Republicans are in power.
Now let's say there are three scum and we mislynch a town-Democrat Day 1. Without further information or modgaming, there are four different ways the three remaining scum could be distributed:
Again, if all of those possibilities are equal, it favors the town if the Republicans are in power.
So on Day 1, without further information, it benefits us to have a president that lynches someone from the opposite party.
Trying to twist my words this early on D1? Shame on you. You should also read between the lines of my posts
So are you saying that that president should be president for the rest of game?
Are you seriously worried about two votes on a player? E-5?
Elaborate on this.
The rest of your example here had good points, but there is where I have a bone to pick: this gives a scum president a backdoor to line up mislynches of Players Y and X more easily, which is devastating in a Mini.
It's also an issue if the president mislynches Player X first, setting up the super sticky WIFOM of "if I were scum, why would I lynch a townie that the majority didn't want lynched?" -- leading the town to still consider a mislynch of Player X.
(@Generic
The above paragraph is also directed to you -- WIFOM makes the kill analysis of a rogue president very difficult. And Bill is right that we still get info from the posts of a president that lynches who he's told to.)
I'd support a compromise rule whereby the president can only lynch players that at least [4 - # of dead scum] players want dead.
My guess is, they should can kill someone on night phase, and only us have that sort of abilities during night if we are elected presidents.
My ability on being president activates later in the game, as for now my ability relays on me voting for the candidate that gets elected as president so can do anything of help, otherwise I'm just a vanilla townie
And well sorry if I came across that way, just trying to do additional help activating my ability as soon as I can
1.) I'm not going to have a strong enough conviction about a player *on Day 1* to go against public opinion.
2.) I'm not advocating that I be elected president today, and would rather I not be.
@TMCT: Your logic about living members makes sense, but your example is flawed.
1.) You're stating that on D1 it benefits us to have a president that lynches someone from the opposite party using two examples where we lynch scum/town D1. We can't have a kill and it still be D1. That's great logic for D2, though.
2.) You're a Democrat using the example where we kill a Democrat D1, which seems to be advocating killing someone from your own party and leaving the other party in power the next day.
Can you clarify what you mean here?
Or you could post what you mean and not expect me to have inside information. No idea what you mean by reading between the lines in this context. Please clarify.
I'm more worried about people not reading the rules of a gametype that not many of us seem familiar with.
Also: I agree about the WIFOM, there's too much to take into account, and two or more ways to read someones motive when a kill is involved.
I'm really concerned about how many people are talking about their abilities and fishing for others to talk about their abilities. That is not good D1 talk. I'd rather not start pointing out power roles for the scum to kill tonight or kill if they are elected.
Ok, I'll just wait for some more evidence until I produce a vote so, Unvote
I didn't say that I'm vital to town, I just claim to have an ability, as of right now I'm just a vanilla town, hence if we are going to lynch a town D1, it might as well be me, that I don't think I have that important of a role anyway.
Yeah, I might have miss quote at #59, but I do remember reading of you asking to unvote for you, so I did...
I was pointing out that I don't want to be president right now, but I was sorta of campaigning for a future election, plus trying to attract attention from scum so I get target on Night 1, and get killed so other more important town roles can survive for at least one more phase.
I remember someone role claiming to have and important ability on presidency early on it might as well be ron paul (the hero of time kind), but later on you actually state to have some role beneficiary at president, so I add that on my later explanation, but didn't really remember if it came earlier or later than my original post at #53
I never mention in any of my post to be important, again, I just stated that I have some sort of ability that cannot be use right now, even with my ability I'm not important at all, but it is better to do something than be a vanilla all of the game, even if it's marginal.
Since I don't know if were going to take the bait, I might as well campaign for other days, plus adds to the "Im a valuable target to kill" that I was looking for.
Generic (2) pinkys_brain, Ron Paul the Hero of Time
TMCT (1) Generic
With 12 alive it's 7 to elect.
Vermin Supreme has not yet posted or confirmed. I will track him down.
I wasn't going for "hey you guys need me to win" I just was trying to imply "hey here is a good target"
I see that my post put me on a compromising position, and I don't really have a good defense for it, the only thing I can say it's:
I did failed on what I was trying to accomplish and I will apologize for stirring you guys lynch a town, and when you lynch me well, no good other info you will have because of my fault, when I'm revealed as part of town.
In addition to what Generic has pointed out, I notice a slip in fixing language here: "they should can kill"
Rogue is on my "want dead" list along with Bill Clinton.
Also, in case people didn't see it: I have a very good ability that activates if I'm the president.
sorry my English is not that grate, since is not my first language.
@Generic this is what I was referring to with #53.... He has claim a "good role if elected president" two times now, if I'm not mistaken
And yes, since it's my first mafia game, I'm not good at it, it seems