I really wanted to build a dragon deck for casual games with my mates. However, I am a bit newer to the game than I'd like to be and have little experience deck building.
I usually play with two mates in an all for themselves type game.
My one mate likes using decks that use selesnya type synergy to put enough creatures down to win the long game and not be a target early
The other loves two deck types. The first is anything that looks towards control, particularly in blue and white. The other, stompy red green or green white creatures.
I really want to make a deck that can hold it's own against these playstyles but I also want to stay within an reasonal budget (nz dollars). Can anyone help me out?
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That list looks awesome. Might make some tweaks, but I mean, what do dragons do? They fly around and burn things (or zap then, freeze them, eat them or poison them, as I hear it goes in Tarkir!). That list really just does what is says on the box, really really well. I love it!!!
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Yeah, I saw the Ur Dragon, and thought at first that it was fake! Eminence, never heard of that ability! However, I have since seen the Precon for Draconic Domination. Because of that precon, I wanted to make a real Dragon deck. But not just any old dragon deck, something that really shows people what dragons in magic can do. whether that be in mono red dragons, multi coloured, such as Rakdos or Jund, or something completely different. I want to show my mates that not only can I make a deck, but can do it with the dragons in the game that I really love using
Thanks both for the tips. Ill try a build. I see there is a decklist section in the forums/site. Will have to post it there eh?
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This is my first draft. The idea is to use Llanowar elves and Domri, as well as grow from the ashes to ramp into big dragons early, while making them uncounterable, then giving them haste using the cartouche to hit opponents quickly. The plummet is to remove any flying blockers, puncturing blow for things that come back from the graveyard. Counterspells are to stop one of my mates from his favourite trick, plummeting, or using the Archetype of Imagination to ground all my dragons. Naturalize are to prevent pacifizms, another favourite trick of his. The seeming random creatures, eg. nest robber and invading manticore are there for the mana curve and budget reasons
My hope is that with a nut hand, the first four turns go like this:
Turn 1: Play a forest, tap it to play a llanowar elves
Turn 2: Play a mountain, Tap the forest, mountain and llanowar elves to play domri.
Turn 3: Play a land, Tap out, plussing domri as well, to play Grow from the Ashes kicked, to get a mountain and an island
Turn 4: Play a land, then tapo out to play any dragon in the deck, and attach a cartouche of zeal
I know it doesn't always go like that, but this is a first draft. We usually play with decks around 70-80 cards (I know, a lot) so I might have to add in some more lands.
Advice? What do you all think?
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Play 60 cards. There's no compelling reason to add more.
A 60 card Llanowar Elves deck should play around 14 untapped Green sources (such as Forests) to reliably cast it on turn 1.
If you want to consistently see an Elf in your opening hand I recommend playing 6 copies total (assuming a 60 card deck). With the free multiplayer mulligan it means that you're favored to see one assuming that you ship any 7 that doesn't contain one.
Marginal creatures such as Nest Robber have no place in multiplayer. These kinds of cards aren't even good in Limited when you're playing against a single opponent let alone 2+. They don't do nearly enough to justify going down a card to cast them. These should be Elvish Mystics or any other Elf.
Make sure that your ramp fixes your colors if you're playing a 3+ color deck. Weaver of Currents et al should be replaced with things like Sakura-Tribe Elder, Cultivate, Explosive Vegetation, etc. That way even if your opening hand is like Forest, Forest, Elf you can still find all 3 colors by turn 3 assuming that your turn 2 play is a Cultivate or Kodama's Reach or whatever.
Spot removal isn't very good in multiplayer because you're trading 1-for-1 in a game with multiple opponents which causes inherent card disadvantage. That's why most multiplayer decks include mass removal such as Back to Nature, Mizzium Mortars, Cyclonic Rift, Bane of Progress, Whiptongue Hydra on and on and on. "Destroy all" goes way further than "destroy one" when you're facing down double the number of threats that you would see in a duel.
Thank you for such solid advice. I will see what changes I can make.
Btw, I took a better look at the decklist you gave me. I did not even think about how good exiling creatures for re-triggers could be. Having a potentially green red blue deck, with Atarka, and bouncing it could be really good. Thank you for that.
Ill do my best to improve this deck, slim it down and make the creatures work better with eachother.
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My biggest issue, however, is cost. I can try to build the best dragon deck, but my options for buying anything I don't have, which is usually a lot, are either not in stock or too expensive.
Your previous build hit the nail on the head for everything, until I looked for the cards, and found most are out of stock.
Anyway, Ill keep at it, and thank you again for the advice.
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Personally I’d drop some of the targeted creature kill and run Temur Ascendency.
Haste helps your hitters and your mana critters. And card draw wins games.
And you might want to listen to Prid3’s advice on sweepers vs 1:1 removal.
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My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
Will do. the only thing with this deck is that since I have quite a limiting Budget, it becomes quite difficult to find good sweepers that can fit in the deck, without going way over budget. i was thinking something like Hour of Devastation as a board wipe and maybe two copies of Street Spasm, and I agree with you about Temur Ascendancy, but I am going to have to do some moving around to really fit it in well.
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Thank you for the advice. TBH, I actually did not know Temur Ascendancy was a card until you mentioned it in your previous post
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Those look great. Definitely making some changes. See this is why the forums are so great. I have very limited knowledge of cards, and here I am getting cracking advice from people who have brilliant knowledge of cards. I love this type of feedback.
Thank you so much for the budget sweepers Thjs1301!
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Cool. Glad we can help.
Let us know the final list and it’s playing experience.
By the way, SIX elves? I don’t know of any format that allows more than four copies of a single card. (barring basics and cards that specifically state otherwise)
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My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
I have some unfortunate news! I was just going to order this list, but Domri, Anarch of Bolas is unavailable / out of stock! I did depend on him for a bit of ramp but mostly for making my huge creatures uncounterable.
Can anyone here give some suggestions for new cards, not too costly, that I can use to replace him?
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Thank you, I am probably going to go with veil of summer, since instant speed, so it will be less predictable, and easier to use on the spot. Plus, playing an enchantment tempts my opponents into removing it, and since I would have to play the enchantment before my dragons, it gives them time to do so
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I really wanted to build a dragon deck for casual games with my mates. However, I am a bit newer to the game than I'd like to be and have little experience deck building.
I usually play with two mates in an all for themselves type game.
My one mate likes using decks that use selesnya type synergy to put enough creatures down to win the long game and not be a target early
The other loves two deck types. The first is anything that looks towards control, particularly in blue and white. The other, stompy red green or green white creatures.
I really want to make a deck that can hold it's own against these playstyles but I also want to stay within an reasonal budget (nz dollars). Can anyone help me out?
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
16x Mountain
4x Endless Sands
4x Ramunap Ruins
1x Shivan Gorge
Creatures (19)
4x Taurean Mauler
4x Territorial Hellkite
4x Thunderbreak Regent
4x Scourge of Valkas
1x Lathliss, Dragon Queen
1x Ryusei, the Falling Star
1x Skyline Despot
4x Earthquake
4x Dragon Tempest
4x Mind Stone
4x Dragon's Hoard
Maybe something close to this? Doesn't have to be this exact 60 or anything but it should give you some ideas if nothing else :).
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
You’d probably like the Commander precon Draconic Domination.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2017-edition-decklists-2017-08-11
You can run the full 100 card or strip it to 60.
Or use the cardlist as an inspriration to build your own version.
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
That list looks awesome. Might make some tweaks, but I mean, what do dragons do? They fly around and burn things (or zap then, freeze them, eat them or poison them, as I hear it goes in Tarkir!). That list really just does what is says on the box, really really well. I love it!!!
@Thjs1301
Yeah, I saw the Ur Dragon, and thought at first that it was fake! Eminence, never heard of that ability! However, I have since seen the Precon for Draconic Domination. Because of that precon, I wanted to make a real Dragon deck. But not just any old dragon deck, something that really shows people what dragons in magic can do. whether that be in mono red dragons, multi coloured, such as Rakdos or Jund, or something completely different. I want to show my mates that not only can I make a deck, but can do it with the dragons in the game that I really love using
Thanks both for the tips. Ill try a build. I see there is a decklist section in the forums/site. Will have to post it there eh?
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Negative. Post it here.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
The second is how you come back after a sweeper.
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
10x Mountain
9x Forest
8x Island
Creatures:
1x Dragonlord Atarka,
2x Atarka, World Render
1x Drakuseth, Maw of Flames
4x Llanowar Elves
1x Foe-Razer Regent
2x Harbinger of the hunt
2x Icefall regent
2x Hypersonic Dragon
2x Weaver of Currents
2x Oasis Ritualist
2x Aven Reedstalker
1x Frontline Devastator
2x Nest Robber
1x Invading Manticore
3x Cancel
3x Pounce
1x Prey upon
2x Disperse
2x Naturalize
3x Plummet
3x Tail Slash
3x Magma Spray
3x Puncturing Blow
4x Grow from the Ashes
2x Limits of Solidarity
1x Lava Coil
3x Cartouche of Zeal
Plansewalkers:
3x Domri, Anarch of Bolas
This is my first draft. The idea is to use Llanowar elves and Domri, as well as grow from the ashes to ramp into big dragons early, while making them uncounterable, then giving them haste using the cartouche to hit opponents quickly. The plummet is to remove any flying blockers, puncturing blow for things that come back from the graveyard. Counterspells are to stop one of my mates from his favourite trick, plummeting, or using the Archetype of Imagination to ground all my dragons. Naturalize are to prevent pacifizms, another favourite trick of his. The seeming random creatures, eg. nest robber and invading manticore are there for the mana curve and budget reasons
My hope is that with a nut hand, the first four turns go like this:
Turn 1: Play a forest, tap it to play a llanowar elves
Turn 2: Play a mountain, Tap the forest, mountain and llanowar elves to play domri.
Turn 3: Play a land, Tap out, plussing domri as well, to play Grow from the Ashes kicked, to get a mountain and an island
Turn 4: Play a land, then tapo out to play any dragon in the deck, and attach a cartouche of zeal
I know it doesn't always go like that, but this is a first draft. We usually play with decks around 70-80 cards (I know, a lot) so I might have to add in some more lands.
Advice? What do you all think?
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Play 60 cards. There's no compelling reason to add more.
A 60 card Llanowar Elves deck should play around 14 untapped Green sources (such as Forests) to reliably cast it on turn 1.
If you want to consistently see an Elf in your opening hand I recommend playing 6 copies total (assuming a 60 card deck). With the free multiplayer mulligan it means that you're favored to see one assuming that you ship any 7 that doesn't contain one.
Marginal creatures such as Nest Robber have no place in multiplayer. These kinds of cards aren't even good in Limited when you're playing against a single opponent let alone 2+. They don't do nearly enough to justify going down a card to cast them. These should be Elvish Mystics or any other Elf.
Make sure that your ramp fixes your colors if you're playing a 3+ color deck. Weaver of Currents et al should be replaced with things like Sakura-Tribe Elder, Cultivate, Explosive Vegetation, etc. That way even if your opening hand is like Forest, Forest, Elf you can still find all 3 colors by turn 3 assuming that your turn 2 play is a Cultivate or Kodama's Reach or whatever.
Spot removal isn't very good in multiplayer because you're trading 1-for-1 in a game with multiple opponents which causes inherent card disadvantage. That's why most multiplayer decks include mass removal such as Back to Nature, Mizzium Mortars, Cyclonic Rift, Bane of Progress, Whiptongue Hydra on and on and on. "Destroy all" goes way further than "destroy one" when you're facing down double the number of threats that you would see in a duel.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Btw, I took a better look at the decklist you gave me. I did not even think about how good exiling creatures for re-triggers could be. Having a potentially green red blue deck, with Atarka, and bouncing it could be really good. Thank you for that.
Ill do my best to improve this deck, slim it down and make the creatures work better with eachother.
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Your previous build hit the nail on the head for everything, until I looked for the cards, and found most are out of stock.
Anyway, Ill keep at it, and thank you again for the advice.
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
1x Dragonlord Atarka
2x Atarka, World Render
1x Drakuseth, Maw of Flames
1x Foe-Razer Regent
2x Harbinger of the Hunt
2x Icefall Regent
3x Skyship Stalker
4x Llanowar Elves
3x Voyaging Satyr
2x Oasis Ritualist
3x Cancel
3x Pounce
2x Naturalize
3x Plummet
3x Tail Slash
3x Magma Spray
3x Puncturing Blow
4x Grow from the Ashes
3x Limits of Solidarity
3x Cartouche of Zeal
2x Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Lands:
14x Forest
10x Mountain
6x Island
I have been trying to slim down the deck, I might have to drop Foe-Razer Regent, or one of my Atarka, World Render's.
added more lands, and I cant get anymore llanowar elves cause all my stores are out of stock, and I cant find any more that I own.
I'll keep at it. Thanks
Dragons are best creature type
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Among other stuff it runs Temur Ascendancy and Golos, Tireless Pilgrim. Good times...
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
1x Dragonlord Atarka
2x Atarka, World Render
1x Drakuseth, Maw of Flames
1x Foe-Razer Regent
2x Harbinger of the Hunt
2x Icefall Regent
3x Skyship Stalker
2x Volcanic Dragon
6x Llanowar Elves
2x Voyaging Satyr
2x Cancel
2x Naturalize
3x Plummet
3x Tail Slash
2x Puncturing Blow
3x Grown from the Ashes
2x Limits of Solidarity
2x Lava Coil
2x Cartouche of Zeal
2x Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Lands:
14x Forest
11x Mountain
5x Island
A little less cards, Probably going to stick with this number, but some cards are changeable.
Thank you all for the advice
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Haste helps your hitters and your mana critters. And card draw wins games.
And you might want to listen to Prid3’s advice on sweepers vs 1:1 removal.
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
@Thjs1301
Thank you for the advice. TBH, I actually did not know Temur Ascendancy was a card until you mentioned it in your previous post
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Earthquake comes to mind.
Or Heaven//Earth or Savage Twister type cards?
Curse of the Swine is a card as well...
@Prid3: Cyclonic Rift breaks the bank these days.
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
Those look great. Definitely making some changes. See this is why the forums are so great. I have very limited knowledge of cards, and here I am getting cracking advice from people who have brilliant knowledge of cards. I love this type of feedback.
Thank you so much for the budget sweepers Thjs1301!
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Let us know the final list and it’s playing experience.
By the way, SIX elves? I don’t know of any format that allows more than four copies of a single card. (barring basics and cards that specifically state otherwise)
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
Guilds of Ravnica - Commander 2018 - Core 2019 - Battlebond - Dominaria - Rivals of Ixalan - Ixalan - Commander 2017 - Hour of Devastation - Amonket - Aether Revolt - Commander 2016 - Kaladesh - Conspiracy 2 - Eldritch Moon - Shadows Over Innistrad - Oath of the Gatewatch - Commander 2015 - Battle for Zendikar - Magic Origins - Dragons of Tarkir
Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Can anyone here give some suggestions for new cards, not too costly, that I can use to replace him?
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG
Guilds of Ravnica - Commander 2018 - Core 2019 - Battlebond - Dominaria - Rivals of Ixalan - Ixalan - Commander 2017 - Hour of Devastation - Amonket - Aether Revolt - Commander 2016 - Kaladesh - Conspiracy 2 - Eldritch Moon - Shadows Over Innistrad - Oath of the Gatewatch - Commander 2015 - Battle for Zendikar - Magic Origins - Dragons of Tarkir
Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Thank you, I am probably going to go with veil of summer, since instant speed, so it will be less predictable, and easier to use on the spot. Plus, playing an enchantment tempts my opponents into removing it, and since I would have to play the enchantment before my dragons, it gives them time to do so
Anyway, thank you!
Dragons are best creature type
WBRG Best control deck is non-blue Yorion Doom WBRG