For a long time I have been all together against posting my deck lists on forums such as this one here. I find that the list's are either ignored, or the advice given is not really helpful to me or just doesn't help the build what so ever. This is not me bagging on forums, as a matter of fact, because I am posting this here makes for quite the opposite. I am going to post my current build for my BUG deck, that is not supposed to be an optimized list running cards like Palachron, or Exsanguinate. Yeah, I know they're good, I just don't respect them. It's like giving a child a gun, he can shoot it, but can he hit the target?? Where's the fun in opening fire inside a crowded mall, when you could perch on top of a grassy knoll and pick off the president. If at this point in my post, you are angered or even pissed off, then read no further. If you are amused and possibly even laughing, good. Here.
A few points for me to make: I am working on getting the mana base up to snuff, so please don't comment on it. I know I need four duals, and several more fetch lands.
The more "off" your suggestion are, the more likely I am to try them out. Save me your run of the mill, boring, same old-same old.
If you know of a way to abuse Damia's draw ability that I am not running, please let me know.
The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
You're missing a couple of common ways to abuse Damia's Draw ability. Having extra cards to discard means you can fuel Forbid very easily.
It's also easier to get her ability to go off if you can cast her at instant speed with Winding Canyons, Vedalken Orrery, Leyline of Anticipation, or Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir. Vanishing is neat with her, as it allows you to remove her (and itself) from harm's way until the beginning of your next untap step, so the first time anyone will be able to do anything about her, her draw ability will already be on the stack.
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Forbid is a great suggestion Wildfire393, thank you.
I am already running the Leyline and Terferi, your other two suggestions would cause even more cuts and I can't figure out if the redundancy of running them is even necessary.
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The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Forbid is a great suggestion Wildfire393, thank you.
I am already running the Leyline and Terferi, your other two suggestions would cause even more cuts and I can't figure out if the redundancy of running them is even necessary.
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I'd definitely try and fit Winding Canyons in there somewhere, as it's a land, and thus people tend to overlook it. Yeah, it makes Damia cost effectively 10 for the first time, but you can sneak her in endphase when people aren't expecting it.
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I'll see about getting my hands on a Winding Canyon, as a land it should be simple to find a slot for.
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The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
I prefer Tormod's Crypt because it is free to play and can be tutored with Tolaria West (Which I also recomend since it can get you a utility land or color fix if you get a wierd early draw)
I prefer Tormod's Crypt because it is free to play and can be tutored with Tolaria West (Which I also recomend since it can get you a utility land or color fix if you get a wierd early draw)
I prefer Tormod's Crypt because it is free to play and can be tutored with Tolaria West (Which I also recomend since it can get you a utility land or color fix if you get a wierd early draw)
Tolaria could be a card to consider, although I don't usually have color issues in the deck and the utility lands are not a game winner/changer until I find a non-foil Boseju to get altered. I have been playing the Crypt due to it's free-ness, but I am thinking that the draw is better...
I like the creature suggestions Wildfire, Night soil on the other hand seems less good than Necrogenesis. I was running the graveyard eating flip rat whose name is escaping me at this moment, he got cut for something. I am going to go with the Ooze, as I just picked up a Japanese one.
I think it's a lot better than the crypt. Crypt can be a dead draw in a lot of cases, and while it's a little bit better as long as damia is out, it's a lot worse if damia isn't on the field. If there is no good target at all for crypt, Nihil spellbomb at least does something. Granted, you always use the second effect.
I didn't check yet if you have it in your deck, but Greel, Mind Raker is in the same style as Alexi.
It seems like the general thought is that paying a couple mana for the graveyard RFG and a card is superior to a free spell. After all we have the Bog for that, right!!??
Xozzen: If you suggest Jolrael, Empress of Beasts next, I will disregard every post you make from now on!! j/k j/k
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The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
I like the creature suggestions Wildfire, Night soil on the other hand seems less good than Necrogenesis. I was running the graveyard eating flip rat whose name is escaping me at this moment, he got cut for something. I am going to go with the Ooze, as I just picked up a Japanese one.
Necrogenesis costs two mana per card you want to remove with it. Night Soil costs one mana per TWO cards you want to remove with it. If your purpose is exiling cards from graveyards, Night Soil is four times as mana efficient. It's also twice as mana efficient at making tokens.
Additionally, Night Soil exiles the cards as part of its cost. That means that it is untargeted (and thus circumvents stuff like Ground Seal if anyone bothers to play that), and by the time you have chosen what cards you are removing, they are already removed. This means that your victim cannot save his creatures through timely use of Volrath's Stronghold or any other instant-speed Raise Dead effect.
The only ways in which Night Soil is worse than Necrogenesis is if you are trying to remove a creature from a graveyard with no other creatures in it, or if you want to maximize the number of creature tokens generated per card removed, which hardly seems like a priority in a control deck like this.
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I missed read the card completely, point taken. And of course you are correct about it being far superior to Necrogenesis. And the great thing is that I found one in a random box of cards in my closet!!
...which is no surprise, it's a common from Fallen Empires...
My olny concern is that I may want to remove non-creature cards with whatever choice I go with.
The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
I had considered Wasteland and Dust bowl and ghost quarter, etc... I don't really care for LD, but since I had a FBB Strip Mine "sitting" around I put it in for hitting Coffers or R. Towers et al.
JOLRAEK!!??? ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH!!
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The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, ****s, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dikheads — they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
1 Damia, Sage of Stone
COUNTER: 3
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Mystic Snake
COMBO: 2
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Leveler
TUTOR/RECURSION/DRAW: 14
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Regrowth
1 Magus of the Library
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Loaming Shaman
1 Ohran Viper
1 Chord of Calling
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Insidious Dreams
1 Ancient Craving
1 Demonic Collusion
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Praetor's Counsel
REMOVAL: 12
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Krosan Grip
1 Beast Within
1 Barrin, Master Wizard
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Putrefy
1 Damnation
1 The Mimeoplasm
1 Life's Finale
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Decree of Pain
1 Lighthouse Chronologist
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Trinket Mage
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Leyline of Anticipation
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Dralnu, Lich Lord
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Wrexial, the Risen Deep
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 Myojin of Night's Reach
1 Blightsteel Colossus
RAMP: 10
1 Sol Ring
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Bloom Tender
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Cultivate
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Mana Reflection
8x Forest
9x Island
5x Swamp
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Flooded Grove
1 Watery Grave
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Twilight Mire
1 Vesuva
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Command Tower
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Strip Mine
A few points for me to make: I am working on getting the mana base up to snuff, so please don't comment on it. I know I need four duals, and several more fetch lands.
The more "off" your suggestion are, the more likely I am to try them out. Save me your run of the mill, boring, same old-same old.
If you know of a way to abuse Damia's draw ability that I am not running, please let me know.
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
It's also easier to get her ability to go off if you can cast her at instant speed with Winding Canyons, Vedalken Orrery, Leyline of Anticipation, or Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir. Vanishing is neat with her, as it allows you to remove her (and itself) from harm's way until the beginning of your next untap step, so the first time anyone will be able to do anything about her, her draw ability will already be on the stack.
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I am already running the Leyline and Terferi, your other two suggestions would cause even more cuts and I can't figure out if the redundancy of running them is even necessary.
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Sorry, it's difficult to see the contents of your deck when it's formatted like this. Have you considered using Deck tags instead? You simply put
Creatures - 1
1 Damia, Sage of Stone
I'd definitely try and fit Winding Canyons in there somewhere, as it's a land, and thus people tend to overlook it. Yeah, it makes Damia cost effectively 10 for the first time, but you can sneak her in endphase when people aren't expecting it.
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I'll see about getting my hands on a Winding Canyon, as a land it should be simple to find a slot for.
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Perfect!! This is the kind of card I am looking for!! Thanks Xozzen, great suggestion.
Is Nihil Spellbomb a better option than T. Crypt?? What are everybody's thought's on this??
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BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Talrand, Sky Summoner
Darien and his Loyal Army
Marrow-Gnawer tribal rats
Elesh Norn / Sharuum / Damia - Retired
I find Tormod's to be generally unsatisfactory due to the fact that it does not draw you a card. I'd much rather play Nihil Spellbomb or Relic of Progenitus for my graveyard hating needs. Or Withered Wretch, Scavenging Ooze, or Night Soil.
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Tolaria could be a card to consider, although I don't usually have color issues in the deck and the utility lands are not a game winner/changer until I find a non-foil Boseju to get altered. I have been playing the Crypt due to it's free-ness, but I am thinking that the draw is better...
I like the creature suggestions Wildfire, Night soil on the other hand seems less good than Necrogenesis. I was running the graveyard eating flip rat whose name is escaping me at this moment, he got cut for something. I am going to go with the Ooze, as I just picked up a Japanese one.
It seems like the general thought is that paying a couple mana for the graveyard RFG and a card is superior to a free spell. After all we have the Bog for that, right!!??
Xozzen: If you suggest Jolrael, Empress of Beasts next, I will disregard every post you make from now on!! j/k j/k
Thanks all!!
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Necrogenesis costs two mana per card you want to remove with it. Night Soil costs one mana per TWO cards you want to remove with it. If your purpose is exiling cards from graveyards, Night Soil is four times as mana efficient. It's also twice as mana efficient at making tokens.
Additionally, Night Soil exiles the cards as part of its cost. That means that it is untargeted (and thus circumvents stuff like Ground Seal if anyone bothers to play that), and by the time you have chosen what cards you are removing, they are already removed. This means that your victim cannot save his creatures through timely use of Volrath's Stronghold or any other instant-speed Raise Dead effect.
The only ways in which Night Soil is worse than Necrogenesis is if you are trying to remove a creature from a graveyard with no other creatures in it, or if you want to maximize the number of creature tokens generated per card removed, which hardly seems like a priority in a control deck like this.
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...which is no surprise, it's a common from Fallen Empires...
My olny concern is that I may want to remove non-creature cards with whatever choice I go with.
Holistic Wisdom is another card I am wanting to try out.
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
JOLRAEK!!??? ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH!!
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EDH DECKS:
BGWKarador: Rock out with your **** out
RGBorBor Unragey: Lightning bolts for everyone
BGUMimeoplasm: +1/+1 counters
RWUZedruu- Free off the top forging
Plus she could end a game in a pinch via mass land attack!
I mean I'm not saying she's good... but she's certainly playable.
Other cards which have some synergy with Damia you might consider: Mindslicer and Zombie Infestation.