I havn't played with this much but I'm looking forward to using it more. Game plan: ramp, play creatures, give them trample, swing, rinse and repeat. The deck is mostly permanents so warp world can be huge. I should probably add a Garruk and Kamahl and will when i can get my hands on them. I'm thinking maybe Godo and some good equipment might be clutch. Maybe more creature tutors? more tramplers? Tell me what you think.
Just a few questions I need answered before giving advice:
Is the deck on a budget?
Do you want to have any defense against creatures?
Ideally, how many big creatures do you want attacking at once?
How often do you want to be playing your general?
Kinda but dont limit suggestions by cost. What do you mean by defense against creatures? With as many creatures as possible? Stonebrow is the theme and the deck should be built around him.
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I guess that can also win with Stonebrow. But you'd need 13 mana. Or at least 10, plus the opp not doing anything about the enchantment for a whole turn. Seize wins with 7 mana. I've also had it win on a Panglacial Wurm.
But try all sorts of cards. Stonebrow decks love extra attack phases.
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:symw::symb::symg: Teneb (video) Drana (video) (retired)
:symw::symr: Brion (video)
:symb::symr: Wort (video) Arcum (video) (retired)
:symr::symg: Stonebrow (video) BShirei (video) WURasputin (video) (retired) RUrabrask (video) WURZedruu (video) (retired) WIsamaru UBGrimgrin UMistform Ultimus (video) UBRGwendlyn (video) URGAnimar (video) RGThromok WBSelenia Standard WUGeist of Saint Traft standard EDH (video) (retired) WUB Battle of Wits!
By "defense against creatures" I meant like wrath effects or removal for creatures. Green obviously has a very hard time killing creatures other than combat, and red usually does it through spell damage, which is so-so. If you wanted to, you could totally make a deck that had no red wrath effects and dabble in artifacts like nevinyrral's disk and oblivion stone. But if you were really worried about creatures coming at you, there are several suggestions I would have for the deck.
I personally dont care for creatures that get 1 land, but I can see keeping them. Artifact ramp shouldn't be used (not even darksteel ingot) when playing green in either mono or bicolor (in my opinion). I also don't think much of mana ramp creatures that need to tap, like birds of paradise. Too easy to remove artifacts and creatures when you can just get lands for your ramp.
Unless you don't want to run much removal, I would strongly suggest running the creature/permanent removals I listed. I think very very highly of removals in EDH.
The deathtouch equipment could be a really nice touch on a trample deck.
In the M11 rules changes, they changed how deathtouch and trample interact. A creature with both only needs do assign one damage to its blocker to be counted as "lethal" damage. So a 6/6 trampling deathtoucher will kill five blockers and still get one damage through to the player. It is an extremely powerful form of evasion that practically guarantees you get through to the player.
1 Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Tramplers
1 Beastbreaker of Bala Ged
1 Blitz Hellion
1 Brawn
1 Hystrodon
1 Kavu Titan
1 Penumbra Wurm
1 Rampaging Baloths
1 Rapacious One
1 Shivan Wumpus
1 Silvos, Rogue Elemental
1 Terra Stomper
Weaklings
1 Acidic Slime
1 Artisan of Kozilek
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Blastoderm
1 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Borderland Ranger
1 Dosan the Falling Leaf
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Hoarding Dragon
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Masked Admirers
1 Mold Shambler
1 Paleoloth
1 Rumbling Slum
1 Silklash Spider
1 Silverglade Elemental
1 Spellbreaker Behemoth
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Tornado Elemental
1 Valley Rannet
1 Vithian Renegades
1 Werebear
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Yavimaya Granger
1 Chimeric Egg
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Defense Grid
1 Gruul Signet
1 Gruul War Plow
1 Mage slayer
1 Relic of Progenitus
Enchantments
1 City of Solitude
1 Fecundity
1 Fires of Yavimaya
1 Lurking Predators
1 Rage Reflection
1 Rancor
1 Sylvan Library
Sorcerys
1 Calming Verse
1 Cultivate
1 Harmonize
1 Nature's Spiral
1 Primeval light
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Savage Twister
1 Vengeful Rebirth
1 World at War
1 Warp World
1 Summoner's Pact
1 Harrow
Planeswalker
1 Sarkhan Vol
Lands
18 Forest
1 Gruul Turf
1 Kazandu Refuge
10 Mountain
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Shivan Oasis
1 Smoldering Spires
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Teetering Peaks
1 Terramorphic Expanse
I havn't played with this much but I'm looking forward to using it more. Game plan: ramp, play creatures, give them trample, swing, rinse and repeat. The deck is mostly permanents so warp world can be huge. I should probably add a Garruk and Kamahl and will when i can get my hands on them. I'm thinking maybe Godo and some good equipment might be clutch. Maybe more creature tutors? more tramplers? Tell me what you think.
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:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
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I've heard Brontotherium has uses for picking off small critters/generals.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
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:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
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Is the deck on a budget?
Do you want to have any defense against creatures?
Ideally, how many big creatures do you want attacking at once?
How often do you want to be playing your general?
Tolsimir Wolfblood G/W
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:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
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Savage Beating and Seize the Day are a must. Instant kill with Stonebrow.
EDH
Azami (video)
:symw::symb::symg: Teneb (video)
Drana (video) (retired)
:symw::symr: Brion (video)
:symb::symr: Wort (video)
Arcum (video) (retired)
:symr::symg: Stonebrow (video)
B Shirei (video)
WU Rasputin (video) (retired)
R Urabrask (video)
WUR Zedruu (video) (retired)
W Isamaru
UB Grimgrin
U Mistform Ultimus (video)
UBR Gwendlyn (video)
URG Animar (video)
RG Thromok
WB Selenia
Standard
WU Geist of Saint Traft standard EDH (video) (retired)
WUB Battle of Wits!
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:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
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I guess that can also win with Stonebrow. But you'd need 13 mana. Or at least 10, plus the opp not doing anything about the enchantment for a whole turn. Seize wins with 7 mana. I've also had it win on a Panglacial Wurm.
But try all sorts of cards. Stonebrow decks love extra attack phases.
EDH
Azami (video)
:symw::symb::symg: Teneb (video)
Drana (video) (retired)
:symw::symr: Brion (video)
:symb::symr: Wort (video)
Arcum (video) (retired)
:symr::symg: Stonebrow (video)
B Shirei (video)
WU Rasputin (video) (retired)
R Urabrask (video)
WUR Zedruu (video) (retired)
W Isamaru
UB Grimgrin
U Mistform Ultimus (video)
UBR Gwendlyn (video)
URG Animar (video)
RG Thromok
WB Selenia
Standard
WU Geist of Saint Traft standard EDH (video) (retired)
WUB Battle of Wits!
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7135260#post7135260"]Lin Sivvi, Defient Hero[/URL]
:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6364371#post6364371"]
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7135260#post7135260"]Lin Sivvi, Defient Hero[/URL]
:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
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I would definitely add these:
1 Deus of Calamity
1 Woodfall Primus
1 genesis
1 oracle of mul daya
1 duplicant
1 boartusk liege
1 pelakka wurm
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Quietus Spike
1 asceticism
1 nature's will
1 tooth and nail
1 hull breach
1 decimate
1 soul's majesty
1 savage beating
1 harmonize
1 kodama's reach
1 krosan grip
1 nevinyrral's disk
1 oblivion stone
I strongly suggest these:
1 engulfing slagwurm
1 Borborygmos
1 cream of the crop
1 spearbreaker behemoth
1 hellkite charger
1 bear umbra
1 momentous fall
1 gratuitous violence
1 genesis wave
1 wild pair
1 brittle effigy
1 desert twister
1 arashi, the sky asunder
1 explosive vegetation
1 far wanderings
1 greater good
1 regrowth
Other cards I would consider:
1 garruk's packleader
1 Gorgon Flail
1 Kodama of the North Tree
1 Panglacial Wurm
1 Vigor
1 Weatherseed Treefolk
1 terastodon
1 hamletback goliath
1 hibernation's end
1 stalking vengeance
1 where ancients tread
1 beacon behemoth
1 mosstodon
1 giant solifuge
1 mordant dragon
1 sakiko, mother of summer
1 spawnwrithe
1 tower of fortunes
1 cinder cloud
1 fissure
1 aftershock
1 kavu lair
1 primitive etchings
1 primordial sage
1 Centaur rootcaster
1 One with Nature
1 loxodon warhammer
And I would take out the following:
I personally dont care for creatures that get 1 land, but I can see keeping them. Artifact ramp shouldn't be used (not even darksteel ingot) when playing green in either mono or bicolor (in my opinion). I also don't think much of mana ramp creatures that need to tap, like birds of paradise. Too easy to remove artifacts and creatures when you can just get lands for your ramp.
Unless you don't want to run much removal, I would strongly suggest running the creature/permanent removals I listed. I think very very highly of removals in EDH.
The deathtouch equipment could be a really nice touch on a trample deck.
Tolsimir Wolfblood G/W
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:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
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Basilisk Collar and Quietus Spike would be essential in your build for this reason.
:symu::symr: Melek WheelStorm
:symw::symg: Trostani Enchantress (updated 6/5)
:symg::symr::symu: Unexpected Results.dec
Thada Adel Stax WIP
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7135260#post7135260"]Lin Sivvi, Defient Hero[/URL]
:symr::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6234488#post6234488"]Stonebrow, Krosan Hero[/URL]:symr::symg:
:symw::symu:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=295309"]Isperia, the Inscrutable[/URL]:symu::symw:
:symb::symr::symg:Karthus tyrant of Jund:symg::symr::symr:
:symw::symb::symg:[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6241469&postcount=1"]Teneb, the Harvester[/URL]:symg::symb::symw:
:symu::symg:Experiment Kraj:symg::symu:
Casual
:symu::symg:Wu-Tang Clan aint nuthin to **** with:symg::symu:
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6364371#post6364371"]