Ancient tombwill keep going up and I see it at $50 soon. There's still a lot of "unclaimed" copies floating around and it's one of the best lands in the game. It's used in so many decks as mentioned, and played over city traitors in several decks- some versions of painter. I'm not sure good painter is now but could we see grindstone go up? Seems rather cheap. Especially with few printed as a rare in Tempest.
Ancient tombwill keep going up and I see it at $50 soon. There's still a lot of "unclaimed" copies floating around and it's one of the best lands in the game. It's used in so many decks as mentioned, and played over city traitors in several decks- some versions of painter. I'm not sure good painter is now but could we see grindstone go up? Seems rather cheap. Especially with few printed as a rare in Tempest.
PhantomLotus - I agree that's stupid from a business perspective. Then again, alot of what SCG does doesn't make sense from a business perspective. Why jack up all the duals at once? Better yet, why jack the price on Sea and Volc twice in the span of weeks. They didn't even give the market a chance at the lower prices.
PhantomLotus - I agree that's stupid from a business perspective. Then again, alot of what SCG does doesn't make sense from a business perspective. Why jack up all the duals at once? Better yet, why jack the price on Sea and Volc twice in the span of weeks. They didn't even give the market a chance at the lower prices.
It is simple enough really. SCG always has a huge outflow of duals due to their legacy opens and being the largest most trusted online store out there as a result of many factors. In order to keep their supply up (running out of a card like a dual land is a bad idea as their customers rely on and trust that they will always have certain cards in stock to be able to buy when they need it) they must often raise their buy prices on the more popular duals to incentivize people to sell to them. When they raise their buy price to do this, they automatically raise their sell price to keep their margins for buying/selling magic singles intact. If they are selling through a steady amount of volcanic island, but aren't getting much of any sold/traded into them to compensate for the outflow, they are then forced to raise their buy/sell prices accordingly to try to find that equilibrium buy/sell price that will meet their supply/demand needs. Sometimes this means a dual will remain steady for a while because the equilibrium remained steady for a long period, sometimes this means that there will be increases every week or every other week until they hit that buy/sell price equilibrium that gets the cards flowing back into them so they don't run out.
You might claim that only giving a week or two on a price increase isn't enough time for them to tell, I can guarantee for SCG a week may be all they need, let alone two, to determine if their adjustments are working or not. And if not, waiting too long to change them again to try to reach that equilibrium can be disastrous. What people need to realize is that much of this has a lot more to do with the buy prices than it does with the sell prices. The sell prices are reflective of keeping their margins intact based off their buy prices. Myself for example, I will largely ignore the sell price but instead focus on the buy price in comparison to the prices the rest of the market is selling the same cards for. Oftentimes a card that is raised to say $70 on the buy price and $100 on the sell price will see the rest of the market tick up to slightly above the buy price all most immediately, and then slowly tick up to around, say, $80-$85 or so (possibly a brief spike higher depending upon the immediate demand). The rest of the market (lower end of ebay/tcgplayer for NM copies for example), nearly always settles somewhere in between SCG's buy and sell prices as one would largely expect. All the buy price increase often does is put a floor on the price of the card and then the rest of the market can adjust based upon supply/demand from there.
Anyhow, certainly an interesting topic of discussion, but its important for people to remember to look at things not only from a buyer perspective but also try to look at things from the perspective of a seller/business when trying to determine why certain price increases may happen. As someone who owned/ran the magic singles side of things with great success at a local shop for 6 years, I can say that I fully understand why SCG makes most of the decisions on pricing that they make, which largely boils down to a simple matter (for them) of their own supply/demand for these cards which I'm certain the SCG opens influence significantly as well on the customer demand side.
SCG's buylist is also a big deal in terms of moving their expensive cards. The fact that you can bulk stuff and trade in standard to get to a dual land is a big deal, and allows them to charge higher prices.
Thanks Jeff, that is good answer to see posted. To everyone else, let's try to keep the discussion focused on Legacy Huge Gainers and not SCG vs TCG policies.
Point well taken on the buylist issue. And I agree, that's typically pretty indicative of the market as a whole (SCG's buylist). I want to know who actually buys at their prices though. I've never met anyone who does, save for rare purchases of premium cards when they're on sale. Their customer service is fantastic, their cards are always in the condition specified, but the prices are still usually 15-20% or so higher than available elsewhere.
Turning back to topic though, I really think we're hitting the breaking point for Legacy. A couple weeks ago I watched a local kid who is trying to build his first Legacy deck do whatever he could to trade for a Wasteland from a local shop. He was able to pull it off...barely. He's still working on the deck, and in the process several of the staples have mysteriously shot up as documented in these pages just over the past month or so. I have to imagine it increased the time it'll take him to finish (if he chooses to do so) but a matter of months. I haven't seen him recently, but I feel bad for him and others like him. Wish there was something we as a community could do other than just loaning out decks at events (which I always try to do).
I just came back from the Los Angeles SCG Legacy Open. They made a big announcement that they ran out of money to pay for cards, but would take store credit. This must mean that a lot of people were selling cards to them all day long. It didn't seem out of the ordinary to me, but then I was playing most of the time.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Point well taken on the buylist issue. And I agree, that's typically pretty indicative of the market as a whole (SCG's buylist). I want to know who actually buys at their prices though. I've never met anyone who does, save for rare purchases of premium cards when they're on sale. Their customer service is fantastic, their cards are always in the condition specified, but the prices are still usually 15-20% or so higher than available elsewhere.
Turning back to topic though, I really think we're hitting the breaking point for Legacy. A couple weeks ago I watched a local kid who is trying to build his first Legacy deck do whatever he could to trade for a Wasteland from a local shop. He was able to pull it off...barely. He's still working on the deck, and in the process several of the staples have mysteriously shot up as documented in these pages just over the past month or so. I have to imagine it increased the time it'll take him to finish (if he chooses to do so) but a matter of months. I haven't seen him recently, but I feel bad for him and others like him. Wish there was something we as a community could do other than just loaning out decks at events (which I always try to do).
Yeah, I have no idea how fresh new players can join a format like this, with prices going up. I know some friends of mine (and myself) are trying to get enough cards to build decks, but the prices continuously rising like this is either a turn-off, or simply makes it very hard to follow/chase after. It takes SO much time, effort, and money/card stock to get even one or two of these cards.
Stoneforge wasn't played as a 4-of until very recently. A year ago the only decks that played Stoneforge were decks like Maverick and Deadguy, which were 2-ofs at max. Esperblade also played it as a 2-of.
Then we suddenly have UWR and Death and Taxes, and the market has adjusted correspondingly.
Esperblade (and any of the U/W Blade or U/W/X Blade decks) have always played it as a 4-of; it's the crutch of the entire deck, really.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Misthollow is the one with the most potential to grow. 3rd set mythic and cheap.
perhaps, but I think food chain is the more likely candidate. It's from masques with no reprints and already has substantial EDH demand. Speaking of which non-foils of food chain are now almost gone too. This is pretty depressing to watch honestly.
Misthollow is the one with the most potential to grow. 3rd set mythic and cheap.
It probably wasn't that hard. About a week ago, I bought a playset when I noticed how cheap the FOIL AVR Mythic was. There were BINs anywhere from $3.50 to $5.50 each. Nowadays, it doesn't take much for a FOIL Mythic to be worth anything. Ask me how I know.
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I was thinking as soon as I saw food chain in the feature match it was going to get bought up, just checked and TCG has been completely cleaned out except for 4 copies that are now $17. Previously there was a whole ton of copies all over TCG for ~$5. I can't help but laugh at all the people trying to buy copies from sellers on here/MOTL that haven't adjusted their prices yet "I'll take all your food chains for $5 each, thanks". Seeing this type of thing makes me wonder how many copies of these types of cards that spike are just going to rot in someone's binder as I doubt there's all that much demand for this card at the new inflated price.
Food Chain bought out again? It's a fringe deck that's piloted by a good player. Most of the ones who'd try it out will fall flat on their face piloting it.
Uncommon. Like Wasteland, but FAR less played.
@Grindstone I could see it moving a little, but Imperial Recruiter is far scarcer, which means not many people even want Grindstone.
It is simple enough really. SCG always has a huge outflow of duals due to their legacy opens and being the largest most trusted online store out there as a result of many factors. In order to keep their supply up (running out of a card like a dual land is a bad idea as their customers rely on and trust that they will always have certain cards in stock to be able to buy when they need it) they must often raise their buy prices on the more popular duals to incentivize people to sell to them. When they raise their buy price to do this, they automatically raise their sell price to keep their margins for buying/selling magic singles intact. If they are selling through a steady amount of volcanic island, but aren't getting much of any sold/traded into them to compensate for the outflow, they are then forced to raise their buy/sell prices accordingly to try to find that equilibrium buy/sell price that will meet their supply/demand needs. Sometimes this means a dual will remain steady for a while because the equilibrium remained steady for a long period, sometimes this means that there will be increases every week or every other week until they hit that buy/sell price equilibrium that gets the cards flowing back into them so they don't run out.
You might claim that only giving a week or two on a price increase isn't enough time for them to tell, I can guarantee for SCG a week may be all they need, let alone two, to determine if their adjustments are working or not. And if not, waiting too long to change them again to try to reach that equilibrium can be disastrous. What people need to realize is that much of this has a lot more to do with the buy prices than it does with the sell prices. The sell prices are reflective of keeping their margins intact based off their buy prices. Myself for example, I will largely ignore the sell price but instead focus on the buy price in comparison to the prices the rest of the market is selling the same cards for. Oftentimes a card that is raised to say $70 on the buy price and $100 on the sell price will see the rest of the market tick up to slightly above the buy price all most immediately, and then slowly tick up to around, say, $80-$85 or so (possibly a brief spike higher depending upon the immediate demand). The rest of the market (lower end of ebay/tcgplayer for NM copies for example), nearly always settles somewhere in between SCG's buy and sell prices as one would largely expect. All the buy price increase often does is put a floor on the price of the card and then the rest of the market can adjust based upon supply/demand from there.
Anyhow, certainly an interesting topic of discussion, but its important for people to remember to look at things not only from a buyer perspective but also try to look at things from the perspective of a seller/business when trying to determine why certain price increases may happen. As someone who owned/ran the magic singles side of things with great success at a local shop for 6 years, I can say that I fully understand why SCG makes most of the decisions on pricing that they make, which largely boils down to a simple matter (for them) of their own supply/demand for these cards which I'm certain the SCG opens influence significantly as well on the customer demand side.
Turning back to topic though, I really think we're hitting the breaking point for Legacy. A couple weeks ago I watched a local kid who is trying to build his first Legacy deck do whatever he could to trade for a Wasteland from a local shop. He was able to pull it off...barely. He's still working on the deck, and in the process several of the staples have mysteriously shot up as documented in these pages just over the past month or so. I have to imagine it increased the time it'll take him to finish (if he chooses to do so) but a matter of months. I haven't seen him recently, but I feel bad for him and others like him. Wish there was something we as a community could do other than just loaning out decks at events (which I always try to do).
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Yeah, I have no idea how fresh new players can join a format like this, with prices going up. I know some friends of mine (and myself) are trying to get enough cards to build decks, but the prices continuously rising like this is either a turn-off, or simply makes it very hard to follow/chase after. It takes SO much time, effort, and money/card stock to get even one or two of these cards.
Esperblade (and any of the U/W Blade or U/W/X Blade decks) have always played it as a 4-of; it's the crutch of the entire deck, really.
Edit: Make that Tidespout Tyrant and Obstinate Baloth too.
All your Ice Age Foil Basics are belong to us
If you have any foil 7ED Island #334 I am very interested!
Haha, that's extremely funny, the deck is insanely fun.
.....foil Misthallow Griffin is next!
Too late, it's in progress.
All your Ice Age Foil Basics are belong to us
If you have any foil 7ED Island #334 I am very interested!
perhaps, but I think food chain is the more likely candidate. It's from masques with no reprints and already has substantial EDH demand. Speaking of which non-foils of food chain are now almost gone too. This is pretty depressing to watch honestly.
All your Ice Age Foil Basics are belong to us
If you have any foil 7ED Island #334 I am very interested!
It probably wasn't that hard. About a week ago, I bought a playset when I noticed how cheap the FOIL AVR Mythic was. There were BINs anywhere from $3.50 to $5.50 each. Nowadays, it doesn't take much for a FOIL Mythic to be worth anything. Ask me how I know.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)