I'am quiet new on this forum and wanted to ask if someone knows why the price of Scrubland is extremly rising on magic cardmarket (europe)?
Does some new deck in Legacy or Vintage needs them?
Thanks in advance
Maverick (Legacy) uses Scrubland and Savannah, and apparently the deck has had a good week.
Exactly this. Legacy is very cyclical and kind of a game of round robin. Decks rise and fall and right now Maverick is on the rise.
I didn't realize that duals had gone this bat crazy. Sucks as I just started playing Legacy after years of EDH only. I stopped at one of each dual years ago and never bothered getting Sol lands and now I'm in a rough place. May just end up playing Burn for the rest of my life.
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What the heck happened to mtg prices? Holy crap! I should have built my legacy deck years ago!
Duals are spiking hard in Europe, I am not sure if this is explained with a deck getting more attention.
The price of Scrubland (Revised) went from 80 Euros to about 120 in 3 weeks. Most other duals are spiking too.
Lion's Eye Diamond is now about x3 the price it was this time last year. Is this a temporary spike or will it continue to rise?
Surprisingly, LED has been pretty stable for a few months. It will however eventually go up more. It's a legacy staple in many combo decks and it's on the reserve list.
Sort of? They're going up, but it's not a new thing. Scroll up and see that we've been talking about it since May. They've been on a steady rise for some weeks now.
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What is the average cost of a legacy deck that is at least 2 colours? Just duels and fetches seem to be about $1500.
Depends on the deck? $2,000-$3,000 is the price of just ONE card before assembling the Duals. I don't recall which deck is on the bottom end. I want to say Death and Taxes?
What is the average cost of a legacy deck that is at least 2 colours? Just duels and fetches seem to be about $1500.
Tough to say. Duals are so high. But you can play more basics. Miracles runs about the cheapest as far as 2/3 color decks. 3 color adds a couple of Volcanics though so the price jumps $1000 over the 2 color miracles.
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Brightling and Arcane Artisan. Curious how long they will hold out. Brightling seems to be cooling off while Artisan is starting to ramp up. Legacy is pretty shaken up right now.
Brightling and Arcane Artisan. Curious how long they will hold out. Brightling seems to be cooling off while Artisan is starting to ramp up. Legacy is pretty shaken up right now.
Artisan has a neat effect, but is serious Bolt bait.
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Why are reserved list cards worth so much, who pays such a high price to buy one? Do people really care to spend an extra $400 between a steam vent and a volcanic island for that extra 2 life of damage? It only might make a difference in less than 5% of games.
Why are reserved list cards worth so much, who pays such a high price to buy one? Do people really care to spend an extra $400 between a steam vent and a volcanic island for that extra 2 life of damage? It only might make a difference in less than 5% of games.
It is important especially when you are paying 1 life to fetch that land via Scalding Tarn. So losing 3 life for a land, vs 1 life is big. Even more so when you play more than one fetch land and one dual land in a deck.
Would you sit down to a game of Magic if your opponent told you, you had to start at 16 or 18 life, just because of what cards were in your deck?
Prices are beginning to level off. Rudy of Alpha Investments (like him or hate him, he does have some nuggets of truth) explains that the Revised duals (especially those that produce blue mana) have hit their apex for now. The high end buyers at a recent GP were paying as much as $700 for NM blue-partialed Revised Duals and around $600 for LP copies. Since that GP, those Buylist prices are gone. Rudy advises to ONLY buy Revised duals if you are finding a good deal or have a percentage off code for a large purchase on EBay.
The time of Reserved List buy-outs may have just passed us. Prices are stabilizing, while some are dropping. You'll find spikes, but they're not like the crazy ones of the past. Cards that spike also cool down much more quickly.
The singles Rudy advises to buy (if one can afford) are Alpha and Beta. Those prices should only go in one direction: UP.
Why are reserved list cards worth so much, who pays such a high price to buy one? Do people really care to spend an extra $400 between a steam vent and a volcanic island for that extra 2 life of damage? It only might make a difference in less than 5% of games.
Reserve List cards are valuable primarily because of a promise from WOTC that those cards will never be reprinted - ever.
If you're serious about playing Legacy or Vintage, and there are prizes on the line, getting the Volcanic Island (TCGMarket at time of this posting, $518) may make the difference between winning and losing. If you're up against a burn deck, those extra 2 life points are free cards for them. Buying the Volc will make your deck that much better and potentially grant returns in terms of winnings. That's one reason that people call them "investments". There are also cards like Lion's Eye Diamond that don't have budget replacements. The card does something truly unique, and if you want that effect, you have to pay for it.
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And what about foreign black bordered ones ? worth investing or not ? does he even speak about them ?
Are you asking about FBB reserve list cards in general, or specifically FBB duals?
In general, FBB RL cards follow the English versions. FBB duals are basically equivalent to foil Revised versions. So, if the prices are plateauing (pun definitely intended) on ENG RV duals, the FBB versions are not likely to spike without increased pressure from the regular version.
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I started roughly calculating the expected value of booster boxes, using the average card value for each level of rarity and multiplying by the number of those cards in a pack and then by the number of packs in a given box. I was looking more for a relative gauge of value, and so ignored the possibility that I could randomly hit some high-value foils which would only increase the value. For most of the standard and modern sets that I looked at, the cost of the booster boxes seem to roughly track slightly above the expected value of the cards, so if I bought enough boxes, I could expect to come close to breaking even and maybe even make a decent amount if I hit on some nice rares and foils. In other words, the risk seemed low compared to the potential rewords, and as a worst case, I could make Duraflame logs out of the unwanted commons.
When I started to do the same calculations with the older Legacy sets, I found that the Booster box prices far exceeded the expected average returns. Even if a quarter of the booster packs contained the sought-after high-value rares, the potential value of the individual cards wasn't coming close to what the booster boxes were selling for. I know there is are a lot of differences in the makeup of older packs and sets, as Wizards was often playing with the frequency of rares and uncommons on print sheets and the card count in each pack and pack count in each box changed a few times, so I might need to tweak my calculations for these older sets. Is there a good resource providing the details of the makeup rares in packs and boxes for the older sets? What else am I missing? Are these older boxes sets really that overpriced? Are they such a risky investment, or could I potentially expect to get enough high-value cards in return? And if I do, is it worth having them graded to potentially increase the value and recoup more of the initial investment?
I get the sense that I may be missing the bigger picture, and thus am looking for some general guidance in what seems to me to be a risky investment.
I started roughly calculating the expected value of booster boxes, using the average card value for each level of rarity and multiplying by the number of those cards in a pack and then by the number of packs in a given box. I was looking more for a relative gauge of value, and so ignored the possibility that I could randomly hit some high-value foils which would only increase the value. For most of the standard and modern sets that I looked at, the cost of the booster boxes seem to roughly track slightly above the expected value of the cards, so if I bought enough boxes, I could expect to come close to breaking even and maybe even make a decent amount if I hit on some nice rares and foils. In other words, the risk seemed low compared to the potential rewords, and as a worst case, I could make Duraflame logs out of the unwanted commons.
When I started to do the same calculations with the older Legacy sets, I found that the Booster box prices far exceeded the expected average returns. Even if a quarter of the booster packs contained the sought-after high-value rares, the potential value of the individual cards wasn't coming close to what the booster boxes were selling for. I know there is are a lot of differences in the makeup of older packs and sets, as Wizards was often playing with the frequency of rares and uncommons on print sheets and the card count in each pack and pack count in each box changed a few times, so I might need to tweak my calculations for these older sets. Is there a good resource providing the details of the makeup rares in packs and boxes for the older sets? What else am I missing? Are these older boxes sets really that overpriced? Are they such a risky investment, or could I potentially expect to get enough high-value cards in return? And if I do, is it worth having them graded to potentially increase the value and recoup more of the initial investment?
I get the sense that I may be missing the bigger picture, and thus am looking for some general guidance in what seems to me to be a risky investment.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
Old unopened product is rare. That's why it's expensive. You will never break even unless you get a bunch of cards graded and get good marks. Even then unless it's Legends and before there won't be much of a bump in value for graded cards.
Most of the time you could get every good rare/uncommon in the set and not even come close to breaking even. Sealed product is almost always a loss, even more so with vintage sealed product.
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I find it funny that people still discuss legacy and the 7 people who play it
I guess duals hold value long term anyways because of commander.
Lots of folks still play Legacy. It's the best all around competitive format. It would be far greater if not the reserved list. That said, as many people that like duals for EDH, Legacy drives the prices on duals. It's not a coincidence USea and Volcanic are the 2 most expensive right now. Anything printed after the reserve list is kind of a joke value wise.
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I find it funny that people still discuss legacy and the 7 people who play it
I guess duals hold value long term anyways because of commander.
I was in Munich for a couple of months and their legacy scene is massive, was really surprising never saw that many people playing the format in person.
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Exactly this. Legacy is very cyclical and kind of a game of round robin. Decks rise and fall and right now Maverick is on the rise.
I didn't realize that duals had gone this bat crazy. Sucks as I just started playing Legacy after years of EDH only. I stopped at one of each dual years ago and never bothered getting Sol lands and now I'm in a rough place. May just end up playing Burn for the rest of my life.
Currently Playing:
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Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
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BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
What the heck happened to mtg prices? Holy crap! I should have built my legacy deck years ago!
The price of Scrubland (Revised) went from 80 Euros to about 120 in 3 weeks. Most other duals are spiking too.
Surprisingly, LED has been pretty stable for a few months. It will however eventually go up more. It's a legacy staple in many combo decks and it's on the reserve list.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11439737#post11439737
Reality is only what man allows it to be. Few shape it so that many may accept it.
Sort of? They're going up, but it's not a new thing. Scroll up and see that we've been talking about it since May. They've been on a steady rise for some weeks now.
Depends on the deck? $2,000-$3,000 is the price of just ONE card before assembling the Duals. I don't recall which deck is on the bottom end. I want to say Death and Taxes?
Tough to say. Duals are so high. But you can play more basics. Miracles runs about the cheapest as far as 2/3 color decks. 3 color adds a couple of Volcanics though so the price jumps $1000 over the 2 color miracles.
Currently Playing:
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Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
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Artisan has a neat effect, but is serious Bolt bait.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
It is important especially when you are paying 1 life to fetch that land via Scalding Tarn. So losing 3 life for a land, vs 1 life is big. Even more so when you play more than one fetch land and one dual land in a deck.
Would you sit down to a game of Magic if your opponent told you, you had to start at 16 or 18 life, just because of what cards were in your deck?
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
The time of Reserved List buy-outs may have just passed us. Prices are stabilizing, while some are dropping. You'll find spikes, but they're not like the crazy ones of the past. Cards that spike also cool down much more quickly.
The singles Rudy advises to buy (if one can afford) are Alpha and Beta. Those prices should only go in one direction: UP.
Reserve List cards are valuable primarily because of a promise from WOTC that those cards will never be reprinted - ever.
If you're serious about playing Legacy or Vintage, and there are prizes on the line, getting the Volcanic Island (TCGMarket at time of this posting, $518) may make the difference between winning and losing. If you're up against a burn deck, those extra 2 life points are free cards for them. Buying the Volc will make your deck that much better and potentially grant returns in terms of winnings. That's one reason that people call them "investments". There are also cards like Lion's Eye Diamond that don't have budget replacements. The card does something truly unique, and if you want that effect, you have to pay for it.
Are you asking about FBB reserve list cards in general, or specifically FBB duals?
In general, FBB RL cards follow the English versions. FBB duals are basically equivalent to foil Revised versions. So, if the prices are plateauing (pun definitely intended) on ENG RV duals, the FBB versions are not likely to spike without increased pressure from the regular version.
When I started to do the same calculations with the older Legacy sets, I found that the Booster box prices far exceeded the expected average returns. Even if a quarter of the booster packs contained the sought-after high-value rares, the potential value of the individual cards wasn't coming close to what the booster boxes were selling for. I know there is are a lot of differences in the makeup of older packs and sets, as Wizards was often playing with the frequency of rares and uncommons on print sheets and the card count in each pack and pack count in each box changed a few times, so I might need to tweak my calculations for these older sets. Is there a good resource providing the details of the makeup rares in packs and boxes for the older sets? What else am I missing? Are these older boxes sets really that overpriced? Are they such a risky investment, or could I potentially expect to get enough high-value cards in return? And if I do, is it worth having them graded to potentially increase the value and recoup more of the initial investment?
I get the sense that I may be missing the bigger picture, and thus am looking for some general guidance in what seems to me to be a risky investment.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
Old unopened product is rare. That's why it's expensive. You will never break even unless you get a bunch of cards graded and get good marks. Even then unless it's Legends and before there won't be much of a bump in value for graded cards.
Most of the time you could get every good rare/uncommon in the set and not even come close to breaking even. Sealed product is almost always a loss, even more so with vintage sealed product.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I guess duals hold value long term anyways because of commander.
Lots of folks still play Legacy. It's the best all around competitive format. It would be far greater if not the reserved list. That said, as many people that like duals for EDH, Legacy drives the prices on duals. It's not a coincidence USea and Volcanic are the 2 most expensive right now. Anything printed after the reserve list is kind of a joke value wise.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I was in Munich for a couple of months and their legacy scene is massive, was really surprising never saw that many people playing the format in person.