Such a shame, too. This card is would be such a no-brainer for reprint in a set like SOI. Flavor home run and would provide another potential piece of hate for Eldrazi matchups.
It could always be reprinted as a Day of Judgment version--destroy, but with no regeneration clause.
Such a shame, too. This card is would be such a no-brainer for reprint in a set like SOI. Flavor home run and would provide another potential piece of hate for Eldrazi matchups.
It could always be reprinted as a Day of Judgment version--destroy, but with no regeneration clause.
Bury is decent, destroy would be bad. For 3 Mana maybe. I'd rather just see a DoJ reprint at 4 mana.
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Such a shame, too. This card is would be such a no-brainer for reprint in a set like SOI. Flavor home run and would provide another potential piece of hate for Eldrazi matchups.
It could always be reprinted as a Day of Judgment version--destroy, but with no regeneration clause.
Bury is decent, destroy would be bad. For 3 Mana maybe. I'd rather just see a DoJ reprint at 4 mana.
Dual prices are going to go sky high. If you thought LED prices were bad now, wait until people become introduced to Storm with Dark Ritual in their limited pool. Anything not tied down by the fear of reprints will take off.
Dual prices are going to go sky high. If you thought LED prices were bad now, wait until people become introduced to Storm with Dark Ritual in their limited pool. Anything not tied down by the fear of reprints will take off.
Why are duals going to skyrocket? Do you think people are going to buy up all the Reserved List cards as a hedge against any possible losses from reprints?
This isn't going to bring in new players. I can't see many non-Legacy players cracking open a Wasteland or Force of Will and saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go plonk down $1500 on a single mana base so I can play Legacy now!"
Why are duals going to skyrocket? Do you think people are going to buy up all the Reserved List cards as a hedge against any possible losses from reprints?
Absolutely. Why is this even a question? Legacy staples are the ultimate blue chip stock in the Magic world. If we're entering an era where they reprint the staples they can every few years, money will move into the reserve list staples. It's in no one's self interest to invest anywhere else if you're after the safest bets in the Magic world.
This isn't going to bring in new players. I can't see many non-Legacy players cracking open a Wasteland or Force of Will and saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go plonk down $1500 on a single mana base so I can play Legacy now!"
It might. After all, other than dual lands, MANY competitive decks don't have reserve list problems.
Why are duals going to skyrocket? Do you think people are going to buy up all the Reserved List cards as a hedge against any possible losses from reprints?
Absolutely. Why is this even a question? Legacy staples are the ultimate blue chip stock in the Magic world. If we're entering an era where they reprint the staples they can every few years, money will move into the reserve list staples. It's in no one's self interest to invest anywhere else if you're after the safest bets in the Magic world.
This isn't going to bring in new players. I can't see many non-Legacy players cracking open a Wasteland or Force of Will and saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go plonk down $1500 on a single mana base so I can play Legacy now!"
It might. After all, other than dual lands, MANY competitive decks don't have reserve list problems.
It was a question because I was genuinely curious, since we haven't seen an Eternal reprint set of this caliber before, and since Legacy seems to be dying off (in my area at least). In hindsight, it may have been a stupid question, but thanks for the condescension all the same.
If duals spike again, I'm pretty much going to give up on finishing Infect for Legacy (or anything else in Legacy, for that matter), since I feel pretty stupid running Breeding Pools instead of Tropical Islands.
Definitely expect Duals, Cradle, LED, City of Traitors, and other Reserved-list cards played in popular decks to go up.
Most-played Reserved-List cards at the moment:
1) Duals (primarily the blue ones, followed by Bayou. Played in everything)
2) LED (played in Storm decks and some all-in decks like Belcher/Oops)
3) City of Traitors (played in Show and Tell lists plus various Stax, Stompy, and MUD lists)
4) Mox Diamond (played in various Lands lists and some MUD/Stompy/Stax lists)
5) Gaea's Cradle (played in Elves)
6) Null Rod (some Stax-type lists and Maverick)
7) Metalworker (MUD)
8) Grim Monolith (MUD)
9) Intuition (some Show and Tell builds, some Lands builds, some High Tide builds)
10) Tabernacle (Lands)
Beyond that are some really fringe things.
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So, yea 4 of the 8 Duals I had listed on eBay sold today, at full asking price.
Looks like the market on Duals is heading back up?
Yep, I would assume so. Still, at prices ranging from $100 to $250, how much higher can they possibly go? Are there people who will pay $300 for duals?
Why are duals going to skyrocket? Do you think people are going to buy up all the Reserved List cards as a hedge against any possible losses from reprints?
Absolutely. Why is this even a question? Legacy staples are the ultimate blue chip stock in the Magic world. If we're entering an era where they reprint the staples they can every few years, money will move into the reserve list staples. It's in no one's self interest to invest anywhere else if you're after the safest bets in the Magic world.
This isn't going to bring in new players. I can't see many non-Legacy players cracking open a Wasteland or Force of Will and saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go plonk down $1500 on a single mana base so I can play Legacy now!"
It might. After all, other than dual lands, MANY competitive decks don't have reserve list problems.
It was a question because I was genuinely curious, since we haven't seen an Eternal reprint set of this caliber before, and since Legacy seems to be dying off (in my area at least). In hindsight, it may have been a stupid question, but thanks for the condescension all the same.
If duals spike again, I'm pretty much going to give up on finishing Infect for Legacy (or anything else in Legacy, for that matter), since I feel pretty stupid running Breeding Pools instead of Tropical Islands.
Funny you make this statement since that's the same condescending tone I feel I felt from your response.
This is really not here nor there and has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
So, yea 4 of the 8 Duals I had listed on eBay sold today, at full asking price.
Looks like the market on Duals is heading back up?
Yep, I would assume so. Still, at prices ranging from $100 to $250, how much higher can they possibly go? Are there people who will pay $300 for duals?
IIRC, Underground Sea was pushing three-hundred-twenty dollars at one point.
I'm not sure if Eternal Masters will be a good thing with the reserved list still intact. The secondary market acts so quickly with few, if any, repercussions for the speculators. The reserve list is an additional guarantee of profit. Panic buying from players doesn't help, although has some justification.
On that note, Mox Diamond disappeared from TCG player.
For months Show and Tell was sitting in my Puca Trades and before I even had a chance to take it off Puca when I got home, bam! They sold within an hour of eternal masters being sold. I'm a little worried because cards like Stifle and Exploration tanked when they were released as rares and not sure if Show and Tell and other reprinted cards will garner much demand since the mana base used for these cards are way to expensive for the average player.
Is it worth getting some Phyrexian Dreadnoughts now?
I know they see fringe play in legacy but maybe with Eldrazi Mimics and such they may start seeing a little more play?
Turn 1: land mimic go
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Seems good. Not sure if good enough with StP, Path, Bolt, etc. but I've already seen a few ppl talking about it. In today's crazy world with spikes and buyouts though cards don't even need to see play to increase. Just the idea is sometimes enough. Probably a good idea.
This will just do like Tarmogoyf and fuel the demand while barely putting any into the supply.
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This will just do like Tarmogoyf and fuel the demand while barely putting any into the supply.
Because of exactly what you said. That's what WOTC wants to happen - more people having an interest in the format, buying up staples (and these packs with those staples), and playing in events. That makes them mad money.
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This will just do like Tarmogoyf and fuel the demand while barely putting any into the supply.
Because of exactly what you said. That's what WOTC wants to happen - more people having an interest in the format, buying up staples (and these packs with those staples), and playing in events. That makes them mad money.
And ruins a format. Put it at Rare, it'll still invigorate things.
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This will just do like Tarmogoyf and fuel the demand while barely putting any into the supply.
Because of exactly what you said. That's what WOTC wants to happen - more people having an interest in the format, buying up staples (and these packs with those staples), and playing in events. That makes them mad money.
And ruins a format. Put it at Rare, it'll still invigorate things.
Which format, draft or Legacy? I presume Legacy, because FoW won't affect draft much. How does it ruin Legacy? It puts more copies into circulation (maybe not a ton more, but certainly SOME more) of a card that Legacy supporters have been clamoring for reprints for YEARS. Yes, it's a cashgrab as a mythic, but it's still there. Are you thinking that increased printings of the cards that they can print will lead to increased prices on the rest of the cards? That might happen, but that's because more people are buying into the format. If prices increase it's because people are buying cards to build decks. How is that bad?
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It DOESN'T MATTER whether FoW is rare or mythic in EMA. Hell, even if it were common I bet the dual lands would simply go up more to compensate for the tanking of FoW. WotC can't support legacy in any meaningful way without dual land reprints and those are never coming just to let you know. If that disappoints you, go and get some job that pays 6 figures a year to afford dual lands without going broke doing so. Legacy has been dying for years. This EMA set is like trying to use a bandaid instead of performing heart surgery/it isn't helping anything other than modo really.
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It DOESN'T MATTER whether FoW is rare or mythic in EMA. Hell, even if it were common I bet the dual lands would simply go up more to compensate for the tanking of FoW. WotC can't support legacy in any meaningful way without dual land reprints and those are never coming just to let you know. If that disappoints you, go and get some job that pays 6 figures a year to afford dual lands without going broke doing so. Legacy has been dying for years. This EMA set is like trying to use a bandaid instead of performing heart surgery/it isn't helping anything other than modo really.
It DOESN'T MATTER whether FoW is rare or mythic in EMA. Hell, even if it were common I bet the dual lands would simply go up more to compensate for the tanking of FoW. WotC can't support legacy in any meaningful way without dual land reprints and those are never coming just to let you know. If that disappoints you, go and get some job that pays 6 figures a year to afford dual lands without going broke doing so. Legacy has been dying for years. This EMA set is like trying to use a bandaid instead of performing heart surgery/it isn't helping anything other than modo really.
Well thanks Debbie downer. Did it ever occur to you that not every deck runs dual lands, including burn, Merfolk, high tide, DNT, Dragon Stompy, MUD, and many more? And also that some decks aren't blue and therefore have much cheaper dual lands like GW Cloudpost, Maverick, Lands, Aggro Loam, and more decks? Prices will settle down regarding dual lands and LEDs -- meanwhile eternal masters should contain the prices of many other non-reserved cards, as well as increasing the supply so they will be easier to find, especially if you pick them up right after the set comes out. No need to cry wolf yet.
Look I'm being BRUTALLY HONEST here, but I said what needed to be said. Dual lands are at the heart of legacy because brainstorm is the best card in the format because of fetch dual manabases. Yeah there are decks without duals. Just like there are decks without duals in standard and modern but do you see all that many of them that are competitive and can go toe to toe with dual land based decks? It's not just dual lands either. High tide uses candelabra of tawnos, which costs more than u. sea and volcanic island. MUD uses metalworker, city of traitors, and grim monolith that are all reserved same with dragon stompy. If you're not playing brainstorm in legacy chances are you're doing something wrong. LED is the 2nd best mana producer ever and the most essential card in the decks it is typically present in. Price hike is justified for LED 100% and if it goes down it take quite a while.
I'm not crying wolf. Prices on duals have spiked quite hard already. Settle down? This is before the release of EMA and people after EMA will want dual lands even more in all likelihood/the price stays. Cards in the magic market in general are very quick to spike but very slow to go down. With dual lands this is especially true because they aren't getting reprinted and people don't like taking a loss when they've invested hundreds of dollars in a single card even more.
Cards that are suspect in terms of spikes are the 'bad' reserved list cards like mox diamond, but even that is stretching it when lands is a deck in legacy. Like I said before though, cards are quick to spike but very slow to go down because the people that have bought diamonds at $50+ will be reluctant to sell for below that. Legacy was already expensive, all EMA has done is make it even more expensive. There is no helping it with the reserved list practically set in stone.
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Or put it on a 6 mana planeswalker. Oh wait!
Bury is decent, destroy would be bad. For 3 Mana maybe. I'd rather just see a DoJ reprint at 4 mana.
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That wouldn't help modern any...
RIP Wasteland price? Or will cheaper prices rekindle interest in older formats, giving them a surge?
Why are duals going to skyrocket? Do you think people are going to buy up all the Reserved List cards as a hedge against any possible losses from reprints?
This isn't going to bring in new players. I can't see many non-Legacy players cracking open a Wasteland or Force of Will and saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go plonk down $1500 on a single mana base so I can play Legacy now!"
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Absolutely. Why is this even a question? Legacy staples are the ultimate blue chip stock in the Magic world. If we're entering an era where they reprint the staples they can every few years, money will move into the reserve list staples. It's in no one's self interest to invest anywhere else if you're after the safest bets in the Magic world.
It might. After all, other than dual lands, MANY competitive decks don't have reserve list problems.
It was a question because I was genuinely curious, since we haven't seen an Eternal reprint set of this caliber before, and since Legacy seems to be dying off (in my area at least). In hindsight, it may have been a stupid question, but thanks for the condescension all the same.
If duals spike again, I'm pretty much going to give up on finishing Infect for Legacy (or anything else in Legacy, for that matter), since I feel pretty stupid running Breeding Pools instead of Tropical Islands.
Looks like the market on Duals is heading back up?
Most-played Reserved-List cards at the moment:
1) Duals (primarily the blue ones, followed by Bayou. Played in everything)
2) LED (played in Storm decks and some all-in decks like Belcher/Oops)
3) City of Traitors (played in Show and Tell lists plus various Stax, Stompy, and MUD lists)
4) Mox Diamond (played in various Lands lists and some MUD/Stompy/Stax lists)
5) Gaea's Cradle (played in Elves)
6) Null Rod (some Stax-type lists and Maverick)
7) Metalworker (MUD)
8) Grim Monolith (MUD)
9) Intuition (some Show and Tell builds, some Lands builds, some High Tide builds)
10) Tabernacle (Lands)
Beyond that are some really fringe things.
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Yep, I would assume so. Still, at prices ranging from $100 to $250, how much higher can they possibly go? Are there people who will pay $300 for duals?
Funny you make this statement since that's the same condescending tone I feel I felt from your response.
This is really not here nor there and has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
IIRC, Underground Sea was pushing three-hundred-twenty dollars at one point.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11439737#post11439737
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On that note, Mox Diamond disappeared from TCG player.
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Turn 1: land mimic go
Turn 2: land dreadnought sac dreadnought swing with mimic berserk gg
Seems good. Not sure if good enough with StP, Path, Bolt, etc. but I've already seen a few ppl talking about it. In today's crazy world with spikes and buyouts though cards don't even need to see play to increase. Just the idea is sometimes enough. Probably a good idea.
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This will just do like Tarmogoyf and fuel the demand while barely putting any into the supply.
Dumb...
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Because of exactly what you said. That's what WOTC wants to happen - more people having an interest in the format, buying up staples (and these packs with those staples), and playing in events. That makes them mad money.
And ruins a format. Put it at Rare, it'll still invigorate things.
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Which format, draft or Legacy? I presume Legacy, because FoW won't affect draft much. How does it ruin Legacy? It puts more copies into circulation (maybe not a ton more, but certainly SOME more) of a card that Legacy supporters have been clamoring for reprints for YEARS. Yes, it's a cashgrab as a mythic, but it's still there. Are you thinking that increased printings of the cards that they can print will lead to increased prices on the rest of the cards? That might happen, but that's because more people are buying into the format. If prices increase it's because people are buying cards to build decks. How is that bad?
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Well thanks Debbie downer. Did it ever occur to you that not every deck runs dual lands, including burn, Merfolk, high tide, DNT, Dragon Stompy, MUD, and many more? And also that some decks aren't blue and therefore have much cheaper dual lands like GW Cloudpost, Maverick, Lands, Aggro Loam, and more decks? Prices will settle down regarding dual lands and LEDs -- meanwhile eternal masters should contain the prices of many other non-reserved cards, as well as increasing the supply so they will be easier to find, especially if you pick them up right after the set comes out. No need to cry wolf yet.
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I'm not crying wolf. Prices on duals have spiked quite hard already. Settle down? This is before the release of EMA and people after EMA will want dual lands even more in all likelihood/the price stays. Cards in the magic market in general are very quick to spike but very slow to go down. With dual lands this is especially true because they aren't getting reprinted and people don't like taking a loss when they've invested hundreds of dollars in a single card even more.
Cards that are suspect in terms of spikes are the 'bad' reserved list cards like mox diamond, but even that is stretching it when lands is a deck in legacy. Like I said before though, cards are quick to spike but very slow to go down because the people that have bought diamonds at $50+ will be reluctant to sell for below that. Legacy was already expensive, all EMA has done is make it even more expensive. There is no helping it with the reserved list practically set in stone.
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