I know I missed the big boat with Zen Fetches a yearish ago, but how likely do people expect a zen fetch reprint in September? I would just hate to sell my tarns off, then not have a reprint to just have them skyrocket again.
I sold mine already assuming that they'd be in the fall set. While I agree it will stink getting them back if they are not reprinted... I feel like the odds are very high they are reprinted... and it's better to cash out before they plummet back down to $12 or so a pop. It's a gamble obviously... but I bet on the reprint happening.
I'm of the opinion that the golden rule is if you ever think you could regret selling a card, then don't do it. They will always be useful in any deck you have, and plus there will most likely be people willing to trade up reprinted tarns for old ones, at least I saw this at the LGS with Khans. I don't see how you lose out holding onto them.
This is just my opinion. For example, a lot of players advised to hold onto MM2015 boxes for potential gain in value, but I figure with all the printing errors and damaged cards people are pulling, who is going to shell out more than $200 for damaged cards/potentially not pulling a rare or foil in a pack(s)? I needed a lot of the cards in the set to finish some decks so I opened it and got a foil Clique among many other cards that I can put to good use. I'd always say do what you think is the best decision at the time.
The prices have already factored in fear of reprints. This is why Scalding Tarn isn't $100+.
No need to sell for current prices, you're not going to lose much and if they don't actually get reprinted you can make lots of money as players riot against Wizards.
I would sell those fetches for sure. Lots of modern playing going on in June too(small price hike?). I think at this point it's almost 100% certain the ZEN fetches will be reprinted in either Battle for Zendikar or the set right after it. Also keep in mind part of staying neutral is not loosing money. Maybe you loose say 3-6% value selling now and rebuying late in the year. If you keep them and they are reprinted(far more likely) you stand to loose 50% or possibly more. Also with the mass printing of the KTK fetches the ZEN fetches will be stable for a good while, so loosing 6% is highly unlikely.
Time to sell was when Scalding Tarn was $100 before the Khans fetches were printed. I assume most people who managed to resist that pull of uberprofit have them right now because they actually use them. Now, we have a ton of people who fully expect the zen fetches to be reprinted in the fall, and are more than willing to wait the few extra months. This means there is a higher supply (more people trying to quickly sell before the potential reprint comes) and lower demand (less people wanting to buy in knowing a reprint will push scalding tarn down to $15). Really, what this means is that we are nearing the worst time to sell, but it will only get worse as the weeks pass until zendikar spoiler season comes up. If you are of the mentality that you should sell them while you still can, then go for it, but I'd personally just wait it out because while WotC likes to spout on about trying to meet the expectations of their customers, I don't want to hedge my bets either way and regret the decision.
Am I the only one who's not 100% convinced that Zendikar fetches won't be reprinted in Battle for Zendikar? After the enemy fetches failed to show up in FRF and DTK after a ton of people speculated they would be, I'm a little skeptical that they will be in BFZ. Don't hold me to this, but I just don't see the enemy fetches in BFZ. I'm not selling my enemy fetches either way because I need them for Modern.
A big reason to think they'll be back is because of how shocks were in the Return to Ravnica block. That establishes a clear precedent that iconic rare lands from a specific plane get reprinted upon return to that plane. WotC can of course ignore this precedent and player expectations, but that probably wouldn't be good for business. We'll see what happens.
A big reason to think they'll be back is because of how shocks were in the Return to Ravnica block. That establishes a clear precedent that iconic rare lands from a specific plane get reprinted upon return to that plane. WotC can of course ignore this precedent and player expectations, but that probably wouldn't be good for business. We'll see what happens.
Look, anyone citing "clear precedent" is, I'm sorry, deluded. We've returned to two planes. There is no "this is how we've always done it" yet, and if there were, WOTC is fine with shaking things up. Yes, player expectation is (overwhelmingly) in support of enemy fetches, but if they deliver on most other expectations for the block (Eldrazi, landfall, allies, traps, etc) then it won't be any sort of massive failure. They've got to keep us on our toes.
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Those aren't at all the same as either shocks or fetches. Shocks and fetches are what you play Modern with. Only one Modern deck, Affinity, cares about those two lands. I agree WotC can do whatever they want, but a precedent has been set by shocks in the Return to Ravnica block.
Furthermore, we did get Inkmoth Nexus upon return to Mirrodin, which is very similar. And also Glimmerpost, I suppose.
I think it's reasonable that ZEN fetches will return but we obviously can't be certain until spoilers/leaks begin for the set. That being said, I think it's probably okay to hold onto your fetches at this point unless you really need the money. As you said, it'll kinda suck to reacquire them once they're reprinted and the current deflated price is a fleeting memory of the once great value they held.
Those aren't at all the same as either shocks or fetches. Shocks and fetches are what you play Modern with. Only one Modern deck, Affinity, cares about those two lands. I agree WotC can do whatever they want, but a precedent has been set by shocks in the Return to Ravnica block.
"Iconic rare lands" were your words. Nowhere did you say "must be played in multiple decks". The lands I named were printed at rare, and are a critical part of the manabase of an iconic Modern deck, a deck which runs neither shocks nor fetches.
That aside, what I'm contesting is your insistence that "a clear precedent" has been set by something that WOTC has done ONCE. Is it reasonable to expect a reprint of the enemy fetches in BFZ? Sure. Is it a confirmed thing because of the evidence of RTR? Absolutely not.
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I think Wizards has discovered that many players have favorite color pairings and by splitting up the dual lands they just upset people playing those colors. Best business is to drop all 5 at once in BFZ.
I do think we're seeing a pattern emerging. Wizards has seen what modern has done to card prices and they know reprinting cards that are already worth money drives sales through the roof. It's good for their sales and players are happy.
The originals will probably hold as much value as Lorwyn Thoughtseize and the Onslaught fetches, since they're the original printing. New versions will definitely be cheaper, but since you have them now the nonblue ones probably won't drop below $25 and the blue ones below $35.
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This is just my opinion. For example, a lot of players advised to hold onto MM2015 boxes for potential gain in value, but I figure with all the printing errors and damaged cards people are pulling, who is going to shell out more than $200 for damaged cards/potentially not pulling a rare or foil in a pack(s)? I needed a lot of the cards in the set to finish some decks so I opened it and got a foil Clique among many other cards that I can put to good use. I'd always say do what you think is the best decision at the time.
No need to sell for current prices, you're not going to lose much and if they don't actually get reprinted you can make lots of money as players riot against Wizards.
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Because we also got Glimmervoid and Blinkmoth Nexus when we went back to Mirrodin.
Look, anyone citing "clear precedent" is, I'm sorry, deluded. We've returned to two planes. There is no "this is how we've always done it" yet, and if there were, WOTC is fine with shaking things up. Yes, player expectation is (overwhelmingly) in support of enemy fetches, but if they deliver on most other expectations for the block (Eldrazi, landfall, allies, traps, etc) then it won't be any sort of massive failure. They've got to keep us on our toes.
Those aren't at all the same as either shocks or fetches. Shocks and fetches are what you play Modern with. Only one Modern deck, Affinity, cares about those two lands. I agree WotC can do whatever they want, but a precedent has been set by shocks in the Return to Ravnica block.
I think it's reasonable that ZEN fetches will return but we obviously can't be certain until spoilers/leaks begin for the set. That being said, I think it's probably okay to hold onto your fetches at this point unless you really need the money. As you said, it'll kinda suck to reacquire them once they're reprinted and the current deflated price is a fleeting memory of the once great value they held.
"Iconic rare lands" were your words. Nowhere did you say "must be played in multiple decks". The lands I named were printed at rare, and are a critical part of the manabase of an iconic Modern deck, a deck which runs neither shocks nor fetches.
That aside, what I'm contesting is your insistence that "a clear precedent" has been set by something that WOTC has done ONCE. Is it reasonable to expect a reprint of the enemy fetches in BFZ? Sure. Is it a confirmed thing because of the evidence of RTR? Absolutely not.
I do think we're seeing a pattern emerging. Wizards has seen what modern has done to card prices and they know reprinting cards that are already worth money drives sales through the roof. It's good for their sales and players are happy.