I've definitely noticed a downward trend from the new site. I used to get a decent bit of trades but anymore I have to really search them out. I'm not putting all the blame on the new layout though, or TCGplayer for that matter. I think a big part of it is with as volatile as the market has been the past 6 months or so many people are just sitting on their cards in fear they will miss the next spike.
MTGS just isn't what it used to be...for better or worse. I've debated moving to MOTL but most of you guys are pretty awesome
I didn't trade that much here (one per month for a while?), but I stopped 100% after the move. Using Magiccardmarket exclusively now. Guess it didn't take that much for me to quit, though. In any case, I agree with what Gals & cme are saying.
Lyle is the first sale I've had in about 2-3 weeks. I appreciate the business by the way, your cards are on their way.
I used to browse shinbatsu's list and make occasional purchases from him, but haven't been browsing since the move and thus haven't noticed when he has a new offering I'd like to purchase.
When I started this thread, I made another try with the new format. I was looking for a set of Sacred Foundry, did a search, and set a PM to the two people whose listings showed up in the search. I heard back from neither. I realized after the fact that one of the threads was a few weeks old. I'm guessing that neither lister is particularly active at the moment. If lots of listings aren't really current or "open for business" it makes searching them and making contact rather a waste of time.
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I'll be honest, I've been quite busy with family/house/ebaying/etc. of late and haven't had a lot of time for more than browsing my home away from home (the market street area here). In keeping with that, I will say as well that I have never traded here before (though I have acted as a 3rd party trader once when asked, was an enjoyable experience for all involved.)
What concerns me most since the move, is the load times on phones. When I am out and about, browsing salvation here (especially the market street area) was something I would almost always default to checking first, now I almost don't even bother, simply because the load times take forever and a day to be able to look at much of anything, and the page keeps jumping around because it takes forever for the pages to load. With the sheer number of people who use phones for web browsing these days, this is a rather huge detriment, and likely a large reason for the general drop-off in the use of mtgsalvation (from my viewpoint) since the change over. I of course don't expect things to be perfect immediately after the move, but given that its been a few months already, with seemingly still a huge list of issues that could use some resolving, my hopes, as seems to be the case with others, aren't exactly super high at the moment.
What I would like to see rather than continued (I'm not sure if platitudes Is the right word, but its what came to mind off of some parts of your responses), would be a much greater amount of transparency between curse and the mods, and then the mods and the userbase, so we can know what's being worked on, what isn't being worked on, and how soon we can expect certain things to get taken care of (if at all). Patience is a virtue that sadly many people online simply don't have, especially when alternatives are available to use, which is why I think a lot of people have abandoned the new trading post area and gone to other sites (magiccardmarket, motl, tcgplayer, or otherwise). I suspect that once the main issues that people are having with things here get fixed, many will be willing to come back, assuming the things that got them to stick around here for so long in the first place are enough to draw them back from wherever they may be handling things now.
Inevitably a lot of this comes down to curse and their ability to quickly get things fixed/worked on, and properly communicate what is being worked on and timetables as to when those things will be taken care of. I don't blame the mods for the move and subsequent issues, however I do certainly have concerns when some of the best mods imho the site has seen during my tenure here, opt to leave their positions because of various frustrations or otherwise therein. As mentioned, since I don't use the trading post area, that part of it hasn't been of particular issue to me. What is a huge issue for me, is the load times. The old Mtgsalvation loaded quickly and I could easily browse through the market street threads without issue casually on my phone when I was out and about. To me personally, that is something that needs to be fixed (and if not possible to be fixed, I fear we will see the amount of people online and browsing vs. before the changeover never fully recover, which would be unfortunate. Outside of that I will leave specifics about the trading post area to those who actually use it.
I both hope that the many current issues people are having will get resolved in the future (hopefully sooner rather than later), but am also a realist and understand that it could take a while/many things may not be able to be fixed. For now I will continue browsing the market street area on my notebook computer from home, and leave it at that. I wish the mods the best in their efforts to get things back to full functionality, and will continue to hope for greater transparency from all parties involved in the future so as to let the userbase know that their issues are not being ignored by those who can actually implement the changes (obviously the mods aren't ignoring them, but that doesn't do anyone a whole lot of good if curse isn't doing anything about some/many of the issues users have put forth).
As a final sidenote, Its rather ironic in a way, an online MUD (text based game) I play, that was awesome for ages (still is in a lot of ways), has fallen into a bit of disrepair in recent years, due to the main coder and owner of the game being busy irl and not letting anyone else mess with the main code, leading to frustrated imms (the ones who run the game, beyond the owner himself), as they get the brunt of all the complaints, but there is little to nothing they can do about most of them, because most of it is stuff that only the owner can deal with on the rare chance he has time to work on anything with the game. People still continue to stick things out regardless of the issues, and the game is far from dead as far as that goes, but its definitely in decline. I am still hopeful (like I am here), that in the long-run things will get fixed and both here and there will thrive once again going into the future. For now, its just a matter of sticking it out and hoping that time comes soon enough before too many get frustrated and decide to move elsewhere. I can also compare both to a really well run smaller business that gets bought out by a larger business and to which, instead of all of the attentions being focused on the smaller business that made it great, the attention to the smaller business diminishes greatly because now it is only a small part of a much larger entity, and the smaller business suffers as a result. I am sure curse has a lot on their plate, as they run a ton of sites from the sounds of it, so I cannot expect them to drop everything and hash out all of our issues immediately, but when issues take a long time to get resolved, unfortunately users/customers are only going to be patient with the process for so long before they consider going elsewhere.
I do apologize for the length of this post and admittedly a lack of concrete detailed issues myself (other than a couple that I mentioned amid the huge post), I will leave it at that for now though.
I thought this was a giant thread about Trading Post and I had to take a look.
I used to browse the B/S/T threads. I have not since we moved. It's too clunky and it seems like I should be able to find a lot more of any one card than I currently can.
I also agree with Jeff in that this site is very clunky on phones. My Note II can handle it OK, but it sucks on iPhone. I also don't like that we can't track Thank You (why even have it then) and we can't see trader feedback immediately under your avatar. It also seems as if modding isn't the ironclad no nonsense modding we've had in the past. tl;dr I'm putting up with Curse, I don't like Curse. Anyone who buys a Premium curse account is a fool.
Updates and fixes are coming. The site is getting better and I hope in awhile, you will give us another chance. There are changes coming too with the rules and such.
Thank you. This has not gone was smooth as it has, but it is getting better. Thank you for your patience.
I have to agree on what Jeff and Quacker said above. Load times on phones is miserable and it's really hard to comment on posts/threads on them. It's really hard to navigate anything, either trades, random threads, or whatever as well. There needs to be either a mobile only site or an app that allows for easier communication (does this site support tapatalk or anything? Never tried).
The biggest issue I have had w/ the new Market Street is that I (we) still cannot search multiple cards at once. Let's say I have a 30 page binder with $2 - $5 rares (around 500 rares) and I am looking for eight (8) $30 rares. It is much, Much, MUCH easier to add 10 rares to the search, than 1 at a time to find out who needs the most cards from me. Searching one at a time & making a hand-written spreadsheet to check for who needs what is difficult (this is what I have been doing w/ my trades). It would be soooo much simpler if I could do a search of 10 at a time (although, I would prefer to be able to do 20 at a time).
Am I making sense here? I haven't gone through all 3 pages, so I am not too sure if anyone else has brought this up? Does anyone else have a desire to be able to look up more than 1 card at a time?
The biggest issue I have had w/ the new Market Street is that I (we) still cannot search multiple cards at once. Let's say I have a 30 page binder with $2 - $5 rares (around 500 rares) and I am looking for eight (8) $30 rares. It is much, Much, MUCH easier to add 10 rares to the search, than 1 at a time to find out who needs the most cards from me. Searching one at a time & making a hand-written spreadsheet to check for who needs what is difficult (this is what I have been doing w/ my trades). It would be soooo much simpler if I could do a search of 10 at a time (although, I would prefer to be able to do 20 at a time).
Am I making sense here? I haven't gone through all 3 pages, so I am not too sure if anyone else has brought this up? Does anyone else have a desire to be able to look up more than 1 card at a time?
One huge reason why things take awhile is that we are just one site in the Curse universe. So improvements can and do take longer to be implemented. I too dislike the search function and hope it will be addressed sooner rather than later.
I am trying to get the search expanded on to include foils and multiple cards. That was one of the things I sent to our techs.
That would be very nice thanks. Will the new search cover multiple searches on the same card? Last week I was searching for Armageddon and it was very inconvenient to have to go back search for revised, portal, 6th, and starter separately. Would it be possible to group cards together?
We know. We've been getting these updates for months now saying that things would be changing soon except the only thing changing is who's saying it.
At this point it's an "I'll believe it when I see it" situation for me. I just hope that if and when things do start to improve I can still find people to trade with... 3 trades in 3 months now for me. Not saying that's the way it is with everyone, but I the move killed my trades.
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should have already been on their real lists, don't know why it wasn't on the doc.
I'll make sure it's noted as one of the more important trading post features needed.
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One huge reason why things take awhile is that we are just one site in the Curse universe. So improvements can and do take longer to be implemented. I too dislike the search function and hope it will be addressed sooner rather than later.
That and the fact that Curse has developed their own software to run forums means that they aren't going to go to the competition to run their stuff. It's a matter of control too - the big sell I was given was that vBulletin was a dying platform without any real chance of adapting to new technologies and that Cobalt (this software) was incredibly flexible and customizable because we have the techs right there. The part I think a lot of us didn't understand was that Curse as a whole is very connected so if we want to edit the trade tools (and obviously we do), it will change the way every other site's trade tools will work.
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I used to browse shinbatsu's list and make occasional purchases from him, but haven't been browsing since the move and thus haven't noticed when he has a new offering I'd like to purchase.
When I started this thread, I made another try with the new format. I was looking for a set of Sacred Foundry, did a search, and set a PM to the two people whose listings showed up in the search. I heard back from neither. I realized after the fact that one of the threads was a few weeks old. I'm guessing that neither lister is particularly active at the moment. If lots of listings aren't really current or "open for business" it makes searching them and making contact rather a waste of time.
I'll be honest, I've been quite busy with family/house/ebaying/etc. of late and haven't had a lot of time for more than browsing my home away from home (the market street area here). In keeping with that, I will say as well that I have never traded here before (though I have acted as a 3rd party trader once when asked, was an enjoyable experience for all involved.)
What concerns me most since the move, is the load times on phones. When I am out and about, browsing salvation here (especially the market street area) was something I would almost always default to checking first, now I almost don't even bother, simply because the load times take forever and a day to be able to look at much of anything, and the page keeps jumping around because it takes forever for the pages to load. With the sheer number of people who use phones for web browsing these days, this is a rather huge detriment, and likely a large reason for the general drop-off in the use of mtgsalvation (from my viewpoint) since the change over. I of course don't expect things to be perfect immediately after the move, but given that its been a few months already, with seemingly still a huge list of issues that could use some resolving, my hopes, as seems to be the case with others, aren't exactly super high at the moment.
What I would like to see rather than continued (I'm not sure if platitudes Is the right word, but its what came to mind off of some parts of your responses), would be a much greater amount of transparency between curse and the mods, and then the mods and the userbase, so we can know what's being worked on, what isn't being worked on, and how soon we can expect certain things to get taken care of (if at all). Patience is a virtue that sadly many people online simply don't have, especially when alternatives are available to use, which is why I think a lot of people have abandoned the new trading post area and gone to other sites (magiccardmarket, motl, tcgplayer, or otherwise). I suspect that once the main issues that people are having with things here get fixed, many will be willing to come back, assuming the things that got them to stick around here for so long in the first place are enough to draw them back from wherever they may be handling things now.
Inevitably a lot of this comes down to curse and their ability to quickly get things fixed/worked on, and properly communicate what is being worked on and timetables as to when those things will be taken care of. I don't blame the mods for the move and subsequent issues, however I do certainly have concerns when some of the best mods imho the site has seen during my tenure here, opt to leave their positions because of various frustrations or otherwise therein. As mentioned, since I don't use the trading post area, that part of it hasn't been of particular issue to me. What is a huge issue for me, is the load times. The old Mtgsalvation loaded quickly and I could easily browse through the market street threads without issue casually on my phone when I was out and about. To me personally, that is something that needs to be fixed (and if not possible to be fixed, I fear we will see the amount of people online and browsing vs. before the changeover never fully recover, which would be unfortunate. Outside of that I will leave specifics about the trading post area to those who actually use it.
I both hope that the many current issues people are having will get resolved in the future (hopefully sooner rather than later), but am also a realist and understand that it could take a while/many things may not be able to be fixed. For now I will continue browsing the market street area on my notebook computer from home, and leave it at that. I wish the mods the best in their efforts to get things back to full functionality, and will continue to hope for greater transparency from all parties involved in the future so as to let the userbase know that their issues are not being ignored by those who can actually implement the changes (obviously the mods aren't ignoring them, but that doesn't do anyone a whole lot of good if curse isn't doing anything about some/many of the issues users have put forth).
As a final sidenote, Its rather ironic in a way, an online MUD (text based game) I play, that was awesome for ages (still is in a lot of ways), has fallen into a bit of disrepair in recent years, due to the main coder and owner of the game being busy irl and not letting anyone else mess with the main code, leading to frustrated imms (the ones who run the game, beyond the owner himself), as they get the brunt of all the complaints, but there is little to nothing they can do about most of them, because most of it is stuff that only the owner can deal with on the rare chance he has time to work on anything with the game. People still continue to stick things out regardless of the issues, and the game is far from dead as far as that goes, but its definitely in decline. I am still hopeful (like I am here), that in the long-run things will get fixed and both here and there will thrive once again going into the future. For now, its just a matter of sticking it out and hoping that time comes soon enough before too many get frustrated and decide to move elsewhere. I can also compare both to a really well run smaller business that gets bought out by a larger business and to which, instead of all of the attentions being focused on the smaller business that made it great, the attention to the smaller business diminishes greatly because now it is only a small part of a much larger entity, and the smaller business suffers as a result. I am sure curse has a lot on their plate, as they run a ton of sites from the sounds of it, so I cannot expect them to drop everything and hash out all of our issues immediately, but when issues take a long time to get resolved, unfortunately users/customers are only going to be patient with the process for so long before they consider going elsewhere.
I do apologize for the length of this post and admittedly a lack of concrete detailed issues myself (other than a couple that I mentioned amid the huge post), I will leave it at that for now though.
I used to browse the B/S/T threads. I have not since we moved. It's too clunky and it seems like I should be able to find a lot more of any one card than I currently can.
I also agree with Jeff in that this site is very clunky on phones. My Note II can handle it OK, but it sucks on iPhone. I also don't like that we can't track Thank You (why even have it then) and we can't see trader feedback immediately under your avatar. It also seems as if modding isn't the ironclad no nonsense modding we've had in the past. tl;dr I'm putting up with Curse, I don't like Curse. Anyone who buys a Premium curse account is a fool.
Updates and fixes are coming. The site is getting better and I hope in awhile, you will give us another chance. There are changes coming too with the rules and such.
Thank you. This has not gone was smooth as it has, but it is getting better. Thank you for your patience.
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Am I making sense here? I haven't gone through all 3 pages, so I am not too sure if anyone else has brought this up? Does anyone else have a desire to be able to look up more than 1 card at a time?
You aren't crazy, this is something we all want
It's fine for me because I browse on PC and don't really care about load times but it's not fine for everybody.
In this day and age 500ms of load time is an eternity.
Hang in there everyone
That would be very nice thanks. Will the new search cover multiple searches on the same card? Last week I was searching for Armageddon and it was very inconvenient to have to go back search for revised, portal, 6th, and starter separately. Would it be possible to group cards together?
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At this point it's an "I'll believe it when I see it" situation for me. I just hope that if and when things do start to improve I can still find people to trade with... 3 trades in 3 months now for me. Not saying that's the way it is with everyone, but I the move killed my trades.
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Have any of the other requested changes been made? I was thinking I might have just missed some of the new functionality.