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NEW Seller on Ebay BEWARE !! He is producing Fake "older" foils. His name is Ryan O'koren and here is his info :

"I am the owner, and chief operator of HoloPrints, a medium scale holographic printing company. I like to take a hands-on approach to every aspect of my business, so I participate in sales, digital editing, company management, and outreach on a daily basis." Source Linkedin

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-o-koren/5b/3a9/253
http://www.holoprints.org/
https://www.facebook.com/Holoprints

Known Locations: Boise, Idaho, Detroit, MI & Manitou Springs, Colorado


These are the 2 different Ebay sellers he operates under that I know about.

Magic-Player http://myworld.ebay.com/magic-player?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 Email: [email]magicplayermtg@yahoo.com[/email]


Foilz http://myworld.ebay.com/foil-z?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 Email on Purchase: [email]foilz@yahoo.com[/email] Email for refund: [email]mrfranswa@yahoo.com[/email]

Return Address for Foilz:
John Smith
S Summerset Way
Boise ID 83709
United States


UPDATE: Both Ebay accounts have been changed to "No longer a registered user".

I hope everyone involved got their money back. I will keep an eye out for future scams thanks guys.


ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I just recently purchased a few Foil Dark Ritual from Masques and the one I just received looks different from the others. Do people actually fake these? It looks like the picture box and text box are glossy not foiled but glossy looking. And the colors are way different in the picture. When I get my computer back I will put a picture of both up. The instant and Dark Ritual words are really white as well. Anyone have experience with this? How easy are these to fake?


EDIT: Even the sellers listing looks weird
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111125905684?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Fake one on left, real one on right. Notice the missing bubbles in the border.

Foils are generally hard to fake, mostly because they aren't just a single layer of printing like the non-foils, they are layers of ink to decide which should allow foil to shine through vs have actual printing (example a white sword on white background wouldn't be all foil).

Printing onto the foil material is also different to do accurately for both the border and especially with MM, the shooting star in the text box.

Would be interested to see a couple scans to see the differences though...

I will for sure scan them when my computer gets back. I was thinking maybe it is just pack fresh and thats just how they look new. All the dots look correct under magnification. The real one weighs 1.94g and the suspect weighs 2.13g. Maybe its real the gloss is just weird lol.

EDIT: literally all the blue the guys are standing on is purple on the suspect card.

Need a pic, unfortunately.

I guess it's possible they're fake, but who is going to fake a Masques Dark Ritual? The amount of effort needed to not only fake a card, but fake a foil is pretty significant, and surely someone willing to expend that much time, energy and money would go for a higher profit margin. The odds are heavily against it even before I see a picture.

for comparison here is my foil dark rit that is legit. I just took a pic for someone that was interested in it for a trade.

The picture box and text aren't supposed to be foiled. Only the black border, but I would need to see a picture of it.

You probably got a copy that was running out of ink. It's most likely legitimate if the dots match up. If it looks really different, you might even call it a misprint.

Could we get a better picture of that top left corner? Both from the front and from the edge of the card?

Im going to upload some scans in a bit.

back then. foiling was different. I have a ton of foils from that era which many consider misprints now.

I took a look. I would say it is real.

I have some MM brainstorms that are different. Two are regular and one is dark. This happened back then, I wouldn't worry about it. I just checked my rits and there are also some differences.

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Added the seller info check it out look at the foil brainstorm he just sold wtf?

I think you are freaking out over nothing. Nothing in any of those images even whispers "fake".

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I think you are freaking out over nothing. Nothing in any of those images even whispers "fake".

look at his description I think he makes holographic cards. Look at the big bubble missing from behind the shooting star. Obviously fake he must spray coat them.

So the big ass dot behind the foil symbol that's is missing don't mean anything? All the other black foils I own have it on them Tendrils of agony, Entomb, phyrexian arena, Ichorid, 3 other dark rituals. hmmmmm

No, doesn't mean anything. If anything, a card with an altered color background is harder to fake. I got a mox ruby with a "dust speck" dot a while back and learned that the easiest things to fake look identical to the original. If everything else is real (dots, light test, wax coat), but some things are obviously off (color, alignment, whatever), it's most likely real. Nobody is going to spend a ton of money making high quality fakes and mess up on something like changing the position of the background.

If he's making fakes, it seems like he wouldn't have gone through the extra effort of making a foil 7th edition Birds of Paradise or Counterspell, since he'd have to color the borders in a way that wouldn't be noticed. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I would foil something else. The collection of sold cards (he has no current ones) is pretty varied, so it doesn't look like someone took a bunch of high valued cards and then foiled them up for extra cash. And he foiled a Polluted Delta, too; talk about risk vs. reward.

In any case, he's a new seller; he's probably hit his selling limit already for this month. Give it some time and see if anyone else gives him negative feedback. He also says he has a return policy.

It does look a little off.

Edit: I checked his complete auctions. I'd open a case with PayPal; it looks fake, and so do all his other foils.

You know what it looks like? A transparency with a shooting star glued onto a regular card. Can you take a picture with a digital camera? I also can't see any items for sale.

So the sellers name on original payment is Ryan O'koren, I asked for a return address and he said his name is John Smith lol. Looks like he owns a company that does "seamless card alters" hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


EDIT: Mr. C already mailed back got the refund instantly after opening case against him. I already notified all of the other people that left him feedback. I am not going to lie it was a damn good fake, the best way I can describe the front was almost smooth all the way across the card kind of like FTV cards.

I have foil Brainstorms and none of them look like that, light blue?


Let's play spot the fake http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=foil+7th+birds&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

His pictures do not seem off.

And I've owned brainstorms that light before.

The stars are all a bit different though on his sold auctions.

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Let's play spot the fake http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=foil+7th+birds&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

Going by that list, clearly the Troll and Toad foils are fake, because their star is hugely disproportionate. (They probably used some photoshop tool to foil scans of existing card images.)

Looks like a VERY similar seller..... Dark Ritual look the same as mine Notice the 14 day return policy???

http://myworld.ebay.com/magic-player?_trksid=p2047675.l2559


EDIT: I knew it! Item location? Coincidence I think not! http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-o-koren/5b/3a9/253

I own a bunch of foil ports and NONE of them look like that.

Yikes I almost bid on those foil ons fetches