When things change, basically. This thread is based on positions of cards rather than their prices, so as the set as a whole falls into worthlessness (barely 2 months since release) the list remains pretty much up to date unless one card in particular moves up or down in relation to the others. That said, I'll probably be doing an update in the next few days now that I have more time with family stuff dealt with. Thanks for asking, sal
To be fair, it will have been 3 months since release as of January 1st. (how time flies eh?)
And yeah, its not too surprising that prices only continue to settle, as all but a very few cards from the set are actually seeing any serious play, and because of the 4-month winter gap for this set (which unlike zendikar didnt have a huge selling point attached to it (fetchlands) nor did it have any sort of shortage to prop it up there otherwise. With any luck Mirrodin Beseiged with finally give us some solid movement as different cards and strategies potentially become more viable.
And to be fair, you are correct, the thread is in fact based more on the positions, as everyone lists the value of the cards from highest to lowest, however myself and others do list price (and you sort of do as well since you do have the convenient link to your website where they can check the prices themselves for the individual cards listed if they so choose.)
This must be the worst set ever for retailers. Not even 4 months and this set is at an absolute low. And I can even see it going lower. I would still not be surprised if Koth drops to $15. I can see Skittles spiking after MBS.
I agree. This set has totally crapped out on value. Before MBS gets here, I'd bet that Opals are $10 or less and Koth is $15. I think Wurmcoild Engine will eventually drop to $8.50 as well. I just don't see a pre-release promo card carrying a $10 value very long.
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I agree. This set has totally crapped out on value. Before MBS gets here, I'd bet that Opals are $10 or less and Koth is $15. I think Wurmcoild Engine will eventually drop to $8.50 as well. I just don't see a pre-release promo card carrying a $10 value very long.
Wurmcoil Engine is allready down to $7 :p. Koth is currently at $21 and dropping fast, and Mox Opal was actually stable and strong at $12.
Most Koths are ending just under $75 for a playset on ebay.com. For a single copy, that is $19.
I give it 10 more working days and it'll be below $15.
To be fair, the cheapest buy it nows are currently $24 for a single, or $88 for a playset.
Over the last 24 hours on ebay, the prices have been within a certain range, some higher, some lower. You were looking at the lowest end of what the playsets were selling for, rather than the AVERAGE which is what I look at. I cross reference the average selling value with the buy it nows to come up with a price. I looked and saw that when I checked the average was about $19-$22/card from ebay completed listings, and $22-24 for the lowest buy it nows. I took a fair average of that and came up with the $21 figure.
Now that said, I would probably agree to $20/card as a fair price to sell them fairly quickly as fixed price listings as that would be $8 under the next lowest playset price, so I may very well go with that when I do my relistings here later today.
Anyhow, back to the figures, singles over the last 24 hours have sold for $24/$21/$22, x2's have sold for $46, playsets sold for: $78, $73, $76, $77, $71, $93(buy it now), $75, $73, $76, $75, $74.
Thus the average completed listings for singles have been $22, for x2's at $23/card, playsets: $19/card. However when you look at just the buy it nows, those account for all the highest prices, which should also be taken into consideration, for someone like myself, that only sells via fixed price listings.
To be fair though my numbers were taken from looking at things about a day and a half ago, so as I said, I would agree to $20 as a fair price, but I wouldnt quite agree with $19 just yet, as you have to take variation between playsets, singles, and otherwise as well as the lowest buy-it-nows still available to see what a true fair price should be.
Just a little greater perspective on where my numbers come from.
And to be fair I was mainly responding to your previous post to point out that wurmcoil engines had allready dropped to $7, the rest was just tossing in the numbers that I had gotten from my update of a day and a half ago for reference.
This must be the worst set ever for retailers. Not even 4 months and this set is at an absolute low. And I can even see it going lower. I would still not be surprised if Koth drops to $15. I can see Skittles spiking after MBS.
Will you be doing updates more regularly Jeff and R_E, when spoilers trickle in?
price equilibrium should take a hit sooner or later, and the commons and uncommons should make up for the set value if nothing from gold up holds
price equilibrium should take a hit sooner or later, and the commons and uncommons should make up for the set value if nothing from gold up holds
It's really not a bad set. I'm surprised at the # of haters for this set when it's so obvious how many $10 Mythic there are (much easier to pull a $10 Mythic compared to a $1 Mythic which is NOT the norm in other sets). This set was absolutely money when there were multiple $30 Mythics and there were still haters...
The duals plus a possible resurgence of Metalcraft/Infect from MBS can put this set back on top fast.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
To be fair, it will have been 3 months since release as of January 1st.
Thanks for the correction, although that's like correcting somebody on the spelling of their dog's name.... it wasn't really an important issue to the discussion. But at least it's "fair" now
to be fair, the thread is in fact based more on the positions, as everyone lists the value of the cards from highest to lowest, however myself and others do list price (and you sort of do as well since you do have the convenient link to your website)
Yes, my thread is for card positions. Others post their prices here, but I don't. My vision for the thread, which made it the most popular thread on the site (until a couple months ago), was like an "American Top 40" of Magic. What's moving up, what's moving down, what's hot, and what's not. Anyone can list prices in order.
I link to the data because without doing so I'd be accused of just making the positions up, since they don't match eBay or StarCityGames data.
To be fair, the cheapest buy it nows are currently $88 for a playset.
He was talking about ended auctions, not buy it nows. But yeah, it's better to look at the average ended auctions and not the cheapest ones because sometimes the cheapest ones were for valid reasons like the seller has really bad feedback, the shipping is $12, and so on.
to be fair I was mainly responding to your previous post to point out that wurmcoil engines had allready dropped to $7.
So hard to believe. What an incredible mythic....... seven friggin bucks. Crazy! Seven bucks used to buy you an Ancient Silverback back in Urza's block days.
Thanks for the correction, although that's like correcting somebody on the spelling of their dog's name.... it wasn't really an important issue to the discussion. But at least it's "fair" now
Yes, my thread is for card positions. Others post their prices here, but I don't. My vision for the thread, which made it the most popular thread on the site (until a couple months ago), was like an "American Top 40" of Magic. What's moving up, what's moving down, what's hot, and what's not. Anyone can list prices in order.
I link to the data because without doing so I'd be accused of just making the positions up, since they don't match eBay or StarCityGames data.
Yeah, that could definitely happen!
He was talking about ended auctions, not buy it nows. But yeah, it's better to look at the average ended auctions and not the cheapest ones because sometimes the cheapest ones were for valid reasons like the seller has really bad feedback, the shipping is $12, and so on.
Having a quick look at the numbers myself, I agree that $20 per is an accurate assessment Jeff. Just not sure what you meant by "to be fair".
So hard to believe. What an incredible mythic....... seven friggin bucks. Crazy! Seven bucks used to buy you an Ancient Silverback back in Urza's block days.
Note to self, stop using "to be fair" so much <.< .....
And yeah I agree, it seems crazy that something as seemingly powerful as wurmcoil engine could be down to $7 now, though with it having been the prerelease foil and all as well, thats going to keep it lower as well. I have a feeling we may be close to the bottom overall for the set, unfortunately its just that much more painful because the lull period is so much longer because of the 4-month gap between sets. I personally see wurmcoil engine getting back up to $10 in the long run, and expect many of the artifact matters, and possibly even infect-related cards to get a boost with the next set assuming the additions are actually good enough to see play and give the rest of the deck types the boosts they need. (Heres hoping we dont have the second coming of Jace 2.0, sucking the value out of this next set :p).
I think some people are forgetting that the xmas holiday came and past and that most people were not buying cardboard crack but gifts for people and purposely were under bidding on items. Plus no major events to push values up on cards.
I link to the data because without doing so I'd be accused of just making the positions up, since they don't match eBay or StarCityGames data.
I think your data is fine as it is -- a reflection of your store's data -- and that you already point out that it's going to be slightly different, but re: your semantic question at the start of the quoted post: what's changes with the data between posting it and linking to it? If I say, "Gizmodo paid $# for the iPhone 4 prototype to This Guy who found it in a bar, which is kind of sleazy journalism and brings their legitimacy into question," and someone raises a counterpoint to that, I don't think it's any different than linking to an article that says the same (which, if I could be asked, I'd drum it out just to fully articulate the point but I think this paragraph is Good Enough). I mean, one way or the other, your numbers are based off of your own pricing scheme; keeping that tucked away behind a link doesn't change that.
Once again, this isn't drumming up a non-argument that you charge what you want and your prices are different from Jeffs, for example, but it seems weird to have to jump through an extra hoop to actually see what you're talking about. For MBS, would you consider possibly altering your schematic to list an X v Y price -- "Card -- $Current up/down from $Last Week/Update" or something similar? I think this gives a much clearer picture of what you're actually trying to tell your audience. I raise this point because several posters have responded to your posts saying there's no data in them. This not only establishes a concrete value, but shows actual movement of cards without having to click additional links (and I think would be far more effective an advertisement for your site, seeing what you could actually expect to pay for cards instead of roundabout linking toward the end of the post).
Edit: I think, to echo Jeff's Time Reversal check, you could even leverage Current vs. Base values, comparing current prices against last update to show recent movement and to see where the card is vs. where it was when it was first listed. I suppose this may be more difficult with the cards at the lower-end of the scale (since, if they weren't listed, they were below $2), but also I suppose the quick fix to that would just be to list "Base -- <$2."
So hard to believe. What an incredible mythic....... seven friggin bucks. Crazy! Seven bucks used to buy you an Ancient Silverback back in Urza's block days.
It's the Figure of Destiny/Ajani Vengeant dilemma. Wurmcoil Engine sees play across formats in several decks (albeit as a 1-3 of, usually around 1-2), which probably makes it candidate for "most likely to succeed" in the long run, but his status as a prerelease foil greatly skews value on the card. Ajani would have been a $40 mythic in all likelihood were it not for oversaturation. Wurmcoil, similarly, would probably at least near Frost Titan hype levels, since he boasts cross-format playability only seen with Primeval Titan.
I think some people are forgetting that the xmas holiday came and past and that most people were not buying cardboard crack but gifts for people and purposely were under bidding on items. Plus no major events to push values up on cards.
Worlds wants a word with you.
Completely serious. Worlds has spiked up Grave Titan out of that $10 ditch we left it in. Most of the lack of movement is specifically the lack of playability of these cards in events such as Worlds. The holidays also certainly didn't hurt the Time Spiral market (for example), though given that we have a new set coming out in only a few weeks and no major Standard events for... the foreseeable future, I'm sure the holiday spending doesn't have anyone clamoring for anything but the hottest Standard cards (Jace and Grave Titan both rose over the winter holiday).
Is Molten-Tail Masticore's value stable or dropping? I have an opportunity to trade for a foil one (nonfoil Baneslayer + Kargan Dragonlord) but I am not sure if I should just wait and see if the value falls so I can get a better deal. I have no immediate need for it.
If you have no immediate need for it, then I probably wouldnt bother. Its spiffy and all, but the other two cards combined are worth more than what the foil molten-tail is (which is about an average of $20 right now according to ebay completed listings.)
Is Molten-Tail Masticore's value stable or dropping? I have an opportunity to trade for a foil one (nonfoil Baneslayer + Kargan Dragonlord) but I am not sure if I should just wait and see if the value falls so I can get a better deal. I have no immediate need for it.
depends if u wanna use it or not...non foil on starcitygames, there going for 12-13...dropped from 17-18...so that's a 5-6 dollar drop...koth is still 30 on there...use starcitygames or tcgplayer for prices...ebay it ranges a lot
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Molten may go up if it pops up in an event, but don't worry until then. This set will undoubtedly make swift ebbing once MBS concretizes in people's heads as SOM will be needed for Standard, whether for Metalcraft, poison or bolstering. Also, it may increase the power of SOM cards for non-standard builds. Watch out for cards like ezuri's brigade,Grand Architect, Kudoltha Phoenix, Etched Champion, and Contagion Engine to find homes. It is also possible if given the right fodder, for Venser to go up, and Precursor Golem gets an HM..
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
One thing is certain - the set finally hit rock bottom. Of course, anything with any value can still lose that value and go to nearly nothing (or nothing), but from what I can see SoM has plummeted and settled at this desolate price level. I expect some cards to still go lower of course, but as a whole the set has bottomed.
Koth has remained top dog since day 1, but is down from $45 to $19 now. Venser has done well, hanging in at $16 for a solid 2nd. Mox Opal holds the $15 price point as Elspeth Tirel sinks to 4th place. Masticore and Wurmcoil at $11 and $10 seem fairly stable, as do Skittles and the Sword just below at $9. Mimic Vat and Ratchet Bomb are both way down at $5 (the top rares of the set) and below that you have to go down all the way to $3 for Hand of the Praetors, Lux Cannon, and the dual lands. Indomitable Archangel looks "meh" at $2.5 along with rares that are holding their weight, Memoricide and Tempered Steel. Grand Architect fell quite a ways to #20 as Etched Champion made another appearance just off the bottom.
Sales for SoM have been fairly slow overall. The foils sell basically for 1.25x the price of the nonfoils (a trend that has been ongoing for years), it hasn't done all that well in tournament results, and the power level of most cards seems to have been dialed back compared to other recent stuff. I think right now, people are waiting to see what will happen with the new set coming soon. Prices are pretty much as low as they'll get, so if you've been holding back, this would be your cue! Which cards are worthless today, but in a few weeks will be the "duh, of course it tripled, we all knew it would!" cards?
I'm looking forward to seeing which mechanics get more help and which don't. Metalcraft is pretty boring, and infect is really a rehash, but we'll see! Thanks for reading. Looking forward to your input.
I hate to say it, but Venser could overtake KOTH with just one deck. It blows my mind how inflated prices are off the top, then how it all shakes down to 3-5 dollar rares. If it isn't mythic it isn't valuable anymore.
IF Metalcraft takes off, and that's a big IF I know, then cards like Ezuri's Brigade may actually increase.
What are you basing this off of?
Compare Brigade to cards used in decks like Tempered Steel in Extended. It doesn't do anything to prop the deck up and only works when you're already ahead of the game. While I don't believe it's impossible for an 8/8 for 4 with trample and "being ahead of your opponent" as a drawback to see play, blind speculation will make Koths of all cards.
That said, Koth is doing quite well in Block. One set block does not dictate future Standard and we will lose Lightning Bolt by M12 apparently, but it's something to be aware of knowing Koth is roughly $15.
Correct Kigin - Koth is a beast in Block. One other guy that's a stud is Grand Architect, and I have no idea why he's still soooo low on the totem pole. Just seems like he's waiting for a non-Block home to wreak havoc on. That's my sleeper card of the set.
That MBS creature-equipment for 1 is a great sign for Metalcraft. The 0/1 Battle Cry Artifact for 1 is nice too.
Argent Sphinx should jump before Brigade though. Glissa (elf) + artifacts could be interesting but again blue still seems primed more for Metalcraft and Sphinx is insane if you consistently have Metalcraft.
It's really not hard to speculate on a few of these when they are at rock bottom prices ($0.40 or less).
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
I think by the time all of SOM has been released the biggest gainer will be Venser (typically he is going on ebay for $40, even saw a playset go for $37...). Like a few posters have said before, he just needs to find a home and he will rocket up in price.
So many of these cards are overshadowed by Jace. I know it will be a while before the rest of the set is spoiled, but stuff that is inferior to Jace, is.. just inferior to Jace.
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I'm surprised by the prices of Koth and Venser. Last time I looked, Koth was still hanging around the $30 mark and I remember hearing people on some thread in here talking about how they were getting Vensers for $10 (I looked but never could find any that cheap. I was wanting to pick up a few for a casual deck. )
I love Ezuri's Brigade, but it's one of those cards that angers me from a design-standpoint. I think I'd rather him have the drawback of being an artifact creature in order to enable his Metalcraft ability easier. He belongs in an artifact aggro or midrange deck, IMO, and right now, we're kind of lacking in quality 1/2/3-drop artifact creatures. The best artifacts right now are control-oriented (Chalice) or belong in Infect.dec (ironclaw, Necropede, Clasp) and he just doesn't fit with that sort of deck. He would be nice with the Artifact lands, though.
Perhaps Brigade could find use in some crazy GW Metalcraft Equip deck with Stoneforge, Protection Swords and stuff from MBS that I'm not sure if I can mention. But that sort of deck wouldn't be able to handle the Titans.
I think SOM is a strong set just waiting to be brought out of its shell by the next sets in the block. With MBS and the next set coming along to give Scars context, which low price cards in SOM do you think will blow up in value over the next couple of months as the block gets completed?
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Im thinking things like Lux Cannon will rise with release of MBS. Any other guesses?
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To be fair, it will have been 3 months since release as of January 1st. (how time flies eh?)
And yeah, its not too surprising that prices only continue to settle, as all but a very few cards from the set are actually seeing any serious play, and because of the 4-month winter gap for this set (which unlike zendikar didnt have a huge selling point attached to it (fetchlands) nor did it have any sort of shortage to prop it up there otherwise. With any luck Mirrodin Beseiged with finally give us some solid movement as different cards and strategies potentially become more viable.
And to be fair, you are correct, the thread is in fact based more on the positions, as everyone lists the value of the cards from highest to lowest, however myself and others do list price (and you sort of do as well since you do have the convenient link to your website where they can check the prices themselves for the individual cards listed if they so choose.)
I agree. This set has totally crapped out on value. Before MBS gets here, I'd bet that Opals are $10 or less and Koth is $15. I think Wurmcoild Engine will eventually drop to $8.50 as well. I just don't see a pre-release promo card carrying a $10 value very long.
Wurmcoil Engine is allready down to $7 :p. Koth is currently at $21 and dropping fast, and Mox Opal was actually stable and strong at $12.
To be fair, the cheapest buy it nows are currently $24 for a single, or $88 for a playset.
Over the last 24 hours on ebay, the prices have been within a certain range, some higher, some lower. You were looking at the lowest end of what the playsets were selling for, rather than the AVERAGE which is what I look at. I cross reference the average selling value with the buy it nows to come up with a price. I looked and saw that when I checked the average was about $19-$22/card from ebay completed listings, and $22-24 for the lowest buy it nows. I took a fair average of that and came up with the $21 figure.
Now that said, I would probably agree to $20/card as a fair price to sell them fairly quickly as fixed price listings as that would be $8 under the next lowest playset price, so I may very well go with that when I do my relistings here later today.
Anyhow, back to the figures, singles over the last 24 hours have sold for $24/$21/$22, x2's have sold for $46, playsets sold for: $78, $73, $76, $77, $71, $93(buy it now), $75, $73, $76, $75, $74.
Thus the average completed listings for singles have been $22, for x2's at $23/card, playsets: $19/card. However when you look at just the buy it nows, those account for all the highest prices, which should also be taken into consideration, for someone like myself, that only sells via fixed price listings.
To be fair though my numbers were taken from looking at things about a day and a half ago, so as I said, I would agree to $20 as a fair price, but I wouldnt quite agree with $19 just yet, as you have to take variation between playsets, singles, and otherwise as well as the lowest buy-it-nows still available to see what a true fair price should be.
Just a little greater perspective on where my numbers come from.
And to be fair I was mainly responding to your previous post to point out that wurmcoil engines had allready dropped to $7, the rest was just tossing in the numbers that I had gotten from my update of a day and a half ago for reference.
price equilibrium should take a hit sooner or later, and the commons and uncommons should make up for the set value if nothing from gold up holds
It's really not a bad set. I'm surprised at the # of haters for this set when it's so obvious how many $10 Mythic there are (much easier to pull a $10 Mythic compared to a $1 Mythic which is NOT the norm in other sets). This set was absolutely money when there were multiple $30 Mythics and there were still haters...
The duals plus a possible resurgence of Metalcraft/Infect from MBS can put this set back on top fast.
Thanks for the correction, although that's like correcting somebody on the spelling of their dog's name.... it wasn't really an important issue to the discussion. But at least it's "fair" now
Yes, my thread is for card positions. Others post their prices here, but I don't. My vision for the thread, which made it the most popular thread on the site (until a couple months ago), was like an "American Top 40" of Magic. What's moving up, what's moving down, what's hot, and what's not. Anyone can list prices in order.
I link to the data because without doing so I'd be accused of just making the positions up, since they don't match eBay or StarCityGames data.
Yeah, that could definitely happen!
He was talking about ended auctions, not buy it nows. But yeah, it's better to look at the average ended auctions and not the cheapest ones because sometimes the cheapest ones were for valid reasons like the seller has really bad feedback, the shipping is $12, and so on.
Having a quick look at the numbers myself, I agree that $20 per is an accurate assessment Jeff. Just not sure what you meant by "to be fair".
So hard to believe. What an incredible mythic....... seven friggin bucks. Crazy! Seven bucks used to buy you an Ancient Silverback back in Urza's block days.
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Note to self, stop using "to be fair" so much <.< .....
And yeah I agree, it seems crazy that something as seemingly powerful as wurmcoil engine could be down to $7 now, though with it having been the prerelease foil and all as well, thats going to keep it lower as well. I have a feeling we may be close to the bottom overall for the set, unfortunately its just that much more painful because the lull period is so much longer because of the 4-month gap between sets. I personally see wurmcoil engine getting back up to $10 in the long run, and expect many of the artifact matters, and possibly even infect-related cards to get a boost with the next set assuming the additions are actually good enough to see play and give the rest of the deck types the boosts they need. (Heres hoping we dont have the second coming of Jace 2.0, sucking the value out of this next set :p).
Can't anyone, by extension, look at two price lists and do the same?
I think your data is fine as it is -- a reflection of your store's data -- and that you already point out that it's going to be slightly different, but re: your semantic question at the start of the quoted post: what's changes with the data between posting it and linking to it? If I say, "Gizmodo paid $# for the iPhone 4 prototype to This Guy who found it in a bar, which is kind of sleazy journalism and brings their legitimacy into question," and someone raises a counterpoint to that, I don't think it's any different than linking to an article that says the same (which, if I could be asked, I'd drum it out just to fully articulate the point but I think this paragraph is Good Enough). I mean, one way or the other, your numbers are based off of your own pricing scheme; keeping that tucked away behind a link doesn't change that.
Once again, this isn't drumming up a non-argument that you charge what you want and your prices are different from Jeffs, for example, but it seems weird to have to jump through an extra hoop to actually see what you're talking about. For MBS, would you consider possibly altering your schematic to list an X v Y price -- "Card -- $Current up/down from $Last Week/Update" or something similar? I think this gives a much clearer picture of what you're actually trying to tell your audience. I raise this point because several posters have responded to your posts saying there's no data in them. This not only establishes a concrete value, but shows actual movement of cards without having to click additional links (and I think would be far more effective an advertisement for your site, seeing what you could actually expect to pay for cards instead of roundabout linking toward the end of the post).
Edit: I think, to echo Jeff's Time Reversal check, you could even leverage Current vs. Base values, comparing current prices against last update to show recent movement and to see where the card is vs. where it was when it was first listed. I suppose this may be more difficult with the cards at the lower-end of the scale (since, if they weren't listed, they were below $2), but also I suppose the quick fix to that would just be to list "Base -- <$2."
It's the Figure of Destiny/Ajani Vengeant dilemma. Wurmcoil Engine sees play across formats in several decks (albeit as a 1-3 of, usually around 1-2), which probably makes it candidate for "most likely to succeed" in the long run, but his status as a prerelease foil greatly skews value on the card. Ajani would have been a $40 mythic in all likelihood were it not for oversaturation. Wurmcoil, similarly, would probably at least near Frost Titan hype levels, since he boasts cross-format playability only seen with Primeval Titan.
Worlds wants a word with you.
Completely serious. Worlds has spiked up Grave Titan out of that $10 ditch we left it in. Most of the lack of movement is specifically the lack of playability of these cards in events such as Worlds. The holidays also certainly didn't hurt the Time Spiral market (for example), though given that we have a new set coming out in only a few weeks and no major Standard events for... the foreseeable future, I'm sure the holiday spending doesn't have anyone clamoring for anything but the hottest Standard cards (Jace and Grave Titan both rose over the winter holiday).
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depends if u wanna use it or not...non foil on starcitygames, there going for 12-13...dropped from 17-18...so that's a 5-6 dollar drop...koth is still 30 on there...use starcitygames or tcgplayer for prices...ebay it ranges a lot
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1) Koth of the Hammer / / / / / / / / / / /
2) Venser, the Sojourner / / / / / / / / / / /
3) Mox Opal / / / / / / / / / / /
4) Elspeth Tirel / / / / / / / / / / /
5) Molten-Tail Masticore / / / / / / / / / / /
6) Wurmcoil Engine / / / / / / / / / / /
7) Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon / / / / / / / / / / /
8) Sword of Body and Mind / / / / / / / / / / /
9) Mimic Vat / / / / / / / / / /
10) Ratchet Bomb / / / / / / / / / / /
11) Hand of the Praetors / / / / / / / / / / /
12) Lux Cannon / / / / / / / / / / /
13) Seachrome Coast & friends / / / / / / / / / / /
14) Indomitable Archangel / / / / / / / / / / /
15) Memoricide / / / / / /
16) Tempered Steel / / / / /
17) Genesis Wave / / / / /
18) Etched Champion:thumbsup:
19) Ezuri, Renegade Leader / / / / / / / / /
20) Grand Architect /
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
One thing is certain - the set finally hit rock bottom. Of course, anything with any value can still lose that value and go to nearly nothing (or nothing), but from what I can see SoM has plummeted and settled at this desolate price level. I expect some cards to still go lower of course, but as a whole the set has bottomed.
Koth has remained top dog since day 1, but is down from $45 to $19 now. Venser has done well, hanging in at $16 for a solid 2nd. Mox Opal holds the $15 price point as Elspeth Tirel sinks to 4th place. Masticore and Wurmcoil at $11 and $10 seem fairly stable, as do Skittles and the Sword just below at $9. Mimic Vat and Ratchet Bomb are both way down at $5 (the top rares of the set) and below that you have to go down all the way to $3 for Hand of the Praetors, Lux Cannon, and the dual lands. Indomitable Archangel looks "meh" at $2.5 along with rares that are holding their weight, Memoricide and Tempered Steel. Grand Architect fell quite a ways to #20 as Etched Champion made another appearance just off the bottom.
Sales for SoM have been fairly slow overall. The foils sell basically for 1.25x the price of the nonfoils (a trend that has been ongoing for years), it hasn't done all that well in tournament results, and the power level of most cards seems to have been dialed back compared to other recent stuff. I think right now, people are waiting to see what will happen with the new set coming soon. Prices are pretty much as low as they'll get, so if you've been holding back, this would be your cue! Which cards are worthless today, but in a few weeks will be the "duh, of course it tripled, we all knew it would!" cards?
I'm looking forward to seeing which mechanics get more help and which don't. Metalcraft is pretty boring, and infect is really a rehash, but we'll see! Thanks for reading. Looking forward to your input.
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What are you basing this off of?
Compare Brigade to cards used in decks like Tempered Steel in Extended. It doesn't do anything to prop the deck up and only works when you're already ahead of the game. While I don't believe it's impossible for an 8/8 for 4 with trample and "being ahead of your opponent" as a drawback to see play, blind speculation will make Koths of all cards.
That said, Koth is doing quite well in Block. One set block does not dictate future Standard and we will lose Lightning Bolt by M12 apparently, but it's something to be aware of knowing Koth is roughly $15.
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Argent Sphinx should jump before Brigade though. Glissa (elf) + artifacts could be interesting but again blue still seems primed more for Metalcraft and Sphinx is insane if you consistently have Metalcraft.
It's really not hard to speculate on a few of these when they are at rock bottom prices ($0.40 or less).
I love Ezuri's Brigade, but it's one of those cards that angers me from a design-standpoint. I think I'd rather him have the drawback of being an artifact creature in order to enable his Metalcraft ability easier. He belongs in an artifact aggro or midrange deck, IMO, and right now, we're kind of lacking in quality 1/2/3-drop artifact creatures. The best artifacts right now are control-oriented (Chalice) or belong in Infect.dec (ironclaw, Necropede, Clasp) and he just doesn't fit with that sort of deck. He would be nice with the Artifact lands, though.
Perhaps Brigade could find use in some crazy GW Metalcraft Equip deck with Stoneforge, Protection Swords and stuff from MBS that I'm not sure if I can mention. But that sort of deck wouldn't be able to handle the Titans.
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Im thinking things like Lux Cannon will rise with release of MBS. Any other guesses?