Mine started off with a bang! Lilly in the first 2 packs! Theeeeen.... crap. Other mythics were Bonfire and Revelation. Not a single money rare (not even a cheap fetch) and minimal money uncommons (no paths or inquisitions). And not one foil rare or Mythic. I've got 1 more box to open but I'm eyeing it dubiously. How did you guys do?
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
My brother and I opened boxes together. I had a tarmogoyf and a cavern of souls by pack 3. Then no more mythic from there on. Got two fetches, damnation, goblin guide, can't complain. My brother on the other hand the most valuable card in his entire box was foil Venser. The second was Venser... Ouch!
im thinking i did pretty nice, just saw that it was delivered, scoped it on the garage and did it in the kitchen(finks)
i was lucky enough to rip the magical foil marsh/snappy pack, thanks wotc! 3rd to last pack, the wave was real.
also of note, tarn, verdant, mesa
moon, shadow, !
voice, domre
foil pierce/foil broodmate/foil souls
a few serums, 1 iok,
paid $208
maybe a few other things of notice, i just put them back in the pack for future drafting!
And nothing else, two crap mythics, not one Path or IoK, I was hoping my value wouldn't come from fetches because they are freefalling, but whatever. My brother and I had fun drafting them
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Project Booster Fun makes it less fun to open a booster.
Was his cards color all faded out? I saw scalding tarn and Tarmogoyf both cards color was way off...
Now that you mention it, the goyf was. I don't know about tarn because it was his first one and there wasn't one laying about to do a comparison. I actually forgot he did get a foil Blade Splicer as well, but the colors seemed normal on that one.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Amazing box in my 4th draft pod. Foil misty, foil marsh flats, foil blood moon, liliana, blood moon plus everything else people didn't show off. Haven't seen a 3 foil rare box in any of my masters sets experience.
Was his cards color all faded out? I saw scalding tarn and Tarmogoyf both cards color was way off...
Now that you mention it, the goyf was. I don't know about tarn because it was his first one and there wasn't one laying about to do a comparison. I actually forgot he did get a foil Blade Splicer as well, but the colors seemed normal on that one.
The packs I decided to buy today has rares that were faded. Worth anything extra?
MM17 kind of sucks. Opening it reminds me of opening a box from INN/RTR and not in a good way. *Lots* of chaff. My drafts have been fair, but my box opening was really disappointing.
I opened 4x mythics:
-Sphinx's Revelation
-Entreat the Angels
-Domri Rade
-Cavern of Souls
Notable rares:
-Goblin Guide
-Damnation
-Marsh Flats
-Scalding Tarn
-*Foil* Evil Twin (**** this card)
-Zero good uncommon/common foils
I bought a 2nd box but now I don't want to open it. Literally the best card in the set, the one out of 20 cases card, foil Tarmogoyf, won't even pay for half a box.
The "unlimited print run/2nd print run" rumors are also not helping. I don't like having this much uncertainty swirling around something that costs $240/box and from which you have to recover a couple of pricey mythics, a couple of pricey rares and a good foil to even break even. If they do a 2nd print run on this set, I'm not buying an eternal set ever again. If they want to deal with people sitting on their hands, waiting for more deflation, they're welcome to that economy. I don't like feeling like an idiot for ordering something when it's released.
If they do release a 2nd run, then that will absolutely *crush* EV. And I doubt prices will rebound strongly - people are pointing at MM1 and MM2, but those were reprints of older sets with lower original print runs. This is a reprint of *heavily* printed sets. The fetches will be OK, but the stuff from INN and RTR will likely never recover fully.
Also, the color quality of these cards are super *****ty. I have two tarns pulled from packs and both are *very* light. Like, "Maybe that's fake because it's so light" light.
On the colour I know what you mean. I compared my mm17 goyf and Liliana to my MM13 and Innistrad ones and the colour looks washed out. There is defiantly a lack of vibrancy which is a shame.
Well, this is largely proving a point that market prices on the secondary market are not really that good of a barometer for setting MSRP on sealed product. It's also why I don't feel that Wizards will be doing modern masters the same way going forward, especially now that they not only did this once on setting too high a msrp, but twice in the same year. They did this with Planechase Anthologies, which no one wanted and had no notable reprints.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Back when boxes were at the bottom I was able to get a case for 660 (165/box). I didn't get a lot of fetchlands but I got a lot of the other stuff I wanted. Highlights:
I'm wondering if the commander anthology coming out will be a massive over priced failure as well. $164.99 June 9th. In the same spirit as Duel Decks: Anthology and Planechase Anthology, Commander Anthology gathers four previous Commander products–"Heavenly Inferno," "Evasive Maneuvers," "Guided by Nature," and "Plunder the Graves"–together in one convenient package. Includes four specialized life counters, tokens, and all cards included in the original decks.
Kaalia of the Vast's deck alone is worth that much sealed. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician's deck is the only one of the 4 that sells for less than MSRP at $25 due to the ban. Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury's deck goes for around $50, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth's one is worth in the $40 range. While the Anthology appears to be a bad deal from the perspective of buying each deck as MSRP or buying singles (assuming you already own one or more of these decks), it actually stacks up quite well against the price of the sealed product. Plus, Anthology products tend to be printed and sold at much lower volumes than normal precon products.
It's not surprising that MM17 isn't instant profit when bought in bulk in light of the fact that the whole point of the reprint is to reduce prices. Everyone wants to buy low and sell high, but it's delusional to think they'll be able to do both with the same product at the same time.
My box was pretty good. Close or better than break even and most of cards I didn't already own.
Snapcaster Mage
Cavern of Souls
Griselbrand
Arid Mesa
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Blood Moon
Goblin Guide
Venser
Grafdiggers Cage
Ranger of Eos
Restoration Angel
Path to Exile x2
The other cards were just solid, not really valuable, but useful to me. Over all I was extremely happy, especially considering I usually have terrible box luck. Griselbrand and GG are really the only cards I pulled that I don't have a use for.
Well. I cracked my 2nd box last night.... Wish I hadn't. Out of 2 boxes I got NO fetchlands. None. The only notable foil was a Stoney Silence and Flicker Wisp. Only mythics worth anything were a Lilly, Snap and Cavern. I got NONE of the notable rares (Guide, Damnation, Moon, Fetches). No Paths and only 2 IoK's. I maybe got enough value to cover one box. MAYBE. Think it's time for me to bow out of the Mtg lottery for a while. This left a bitter taste in my mouth.
Mine continued the trend of boxes with terrible mythics, and making up for it with fetches. Only foil worth noting was Damnation, which is pretty good. Foil Niv Mizzet too, but that's junk.
I'm wondering if the commander anthology coming out will be a massive over priced failure as well. $164.99 June 9th. In the same spirit as Duel Decks: Anthology and Planechase Anthology, Commander Anthology gathers four previous Commander products–"Heavenly Inferno," "Evasive Maneuvers," "Guided by Nature," and "Plunder the Graves"–together in one convenient package. Includes four specialized life counters, tokens, and all cards included in the original decks.
Kaalia of the Vast's deck alone is worth that much sealed. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician's deck is the only one of the 4 that sells for less than MSRP at $25 due to the ban. Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury's deck goes for around $50, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth's one is worth in the $40 range. While the Anthology appears to be a bad deal from the perspective of buying each deck as MSRP or buying singles (assuming you already own one or more of these decks), it actually stacks up quite well against the price of the sealed product. Plus, Anthology products tend to be printed and sold at much lower volumes than normal precon products.
It's not surprising that MM17 isn't instant profit when bought in bulk in light of the fact that the whole point of the reprint is to reduce prices. Everyone wants to buy low and sell high, but it's delusional to think they'll be able to do both with the same product at the same time.
The trouble is that assessment is being made on market conditions in the now and also assume the same people that would want to buy an individual deck are going to want to shell out an insane 160 usd for four decks, one of which isn't actually that popular. Again, I don't think they are going to keep doing these sets the same way they have been.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Opened up 15 packs so far; 2 Sealed and 1 Booster Draft.
Got a Verdant Catacombs
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Foil Pyromancer Ascension
1 Gifts Ungiven
Passed a Stony Silence in Draft...
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
My sealed 6 was great value. Tarmogoyf, Blood Moon, Marsh Flats, Death's Shadow, Thragtusk, Primal Command, foil Ranger of Eos, and 2 Path to Exile and a Might of Old Krosa among the uncommons.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
i was lucky enough to rip the magical foil marsh/snappy pack, thanks wotc! 3rd to last pack, the wave was real.
also of note, tarn, verdant, mesa
moon, shadow, !
voice, domre
foil pierce/foil broodmate/foil souls
a few serums, 1 iok,
paid $208
maybe a few other things of notice, i just put them back in the pack for future drafting!
Tarn
Rainforest
Mesa
Catacomb
Foil DS
Foil Ascension
And nothing else, two crap mythics, not one Path or IoK, I was hoping my value wouldn't come from fetches because they are freefalling, but whatever. My brother and I had fun drafting them
Was his cards color all faded out? I saw scalding tarn and Tarmogoyf both cards color was way off...
Now that you mention it, the goyf was. I don't know about tarn because it was his first one and there wasn't one laying about to do a comparison. I actually forgot he did get a foil Blade Splicer as well, but the colors seemed normal on that one.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Luckily, I opened Snapcaster Mage in my victory boosters at the draft (finished 2-1).
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
Cavern of Souls
Misty
Tarn
Damnation
IoK
Path x 3
Terminate
Deaths Shadow
Basilisk Collar..
Serum Visions
Off the top of my head, the rest didnt really jump out at me.
Spirits
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
The packs I decided to buy today has rares that were faded. Worth anything extra?
I opened 4x mythics:
-Sphinx's Revelation
-Entreat the Angels
-Domri Rade
-Cavern of Souls
Notable rares:
-Goblin Guide
-Damnation
-Marsh Flats
-Scalding Tarn
-*Foil* Evil Twin (**** this card)
-Zero good uncommon/common foils
I bought a 2nd box but now I don't want to open it. Literally the best card in the set, the one out of 20 cases card, foil Tarmogoyf, won't even pay for half a box.
The "unlimited print run/2nd print run" rumors are also not helping. I don't like having this much uncertainty swirling around something that costs $240/box and from which you have to recover a couple of pricey mythics, a couple of pricey rares and a good foil to even break even. If they do a 2nd print run on this set, I'm not buying an eternal set ever again. If they want to deal with people sitting on their hands, waiting for more deflation, they're welcome to that economy. I don't like feeling like an idiot for ordering something when it's released.
If they do release a 2nd run, then that will absolutely *crush* EV. And I doubt prices will rebound strongly - people are pointing at MM1 and MM2, but those were reprints of older sets with lower original print runs. This is a reprint of *heavily* printed sets. The fetches will be OK, but the stuff from INN and RTR will likely never recover fully.
Also, the color quality of these cards are super *****ty. I have two tarns pulled from packs and both are *very* light. Like, "Maybe that's fake because it's so light" light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FY04NnMe9Y&feature=youtu.be
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
- Foil Tarmogoyf
- Tarmogoyf
- Foil Goblin Guide
- Goblin Guide
- Blood Moon
- Damnation x3
- Snapcaster Mage
- Foil Terminus
- Stony Silence x3 including a foil
- Linvala, Keeper of Silence x2
- Entreat the Angels
- Cavern of Souls
- Marsh Flats x2
- Misty Rainforest
- Scalding Tarn
- Abrupt Decay x4 including a foil
Emille, Seven-Sting Dancer Shalin Nariya
Kaalia of the Vast's deck alone is worth that much sealed. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician's deck is the only one of the 4 that sells for less than MSRP at $25 due to the ban. Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury's deck goes for around $50, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth's one is worth in the $40 range. While the Anthology appears to be a bad deal from the perspective of buying each deck as MSRP or buying singles (assuming you already own one or more of these decks), it actually stacks up quite well against the price of the sealed product. Plus, Anthology products tend to be printed and sold at much lower volumes than normal precon products.
It's not surprising that MM17 isn't instant profit when bought in bulk in light of the fact that the whole point of the reprint is to reduce prices. Everyone wants to buy low and sell high, but it's delusional to think they'll be able to do both with the same product at the same time.
Snapcaster Mage
Cavern of Souls
Griselbrand
Arid Mesa
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Blood Moon
Goblin Guide
Venser
Grafdiggers Cage
Ranger of Eos
Restoration Angel
Path to Exile x2
The other cards were just solid, not really valuable, but useful to me. Over all I was extremely happy, especially considering I usually have terrible box luck. Griselbrand and GG are really the only cards I pulled that I don't have a use for.
(M)
Temporal Mastery
Bonfire of the Damned
Past in Flames
(R)
Scalding Tarn
Verdant Catacombs
Arid Mesa
Damnation*
Blood Moon
Goblin Guide
(U)
Serum Visions x1
Path to Exile x2
The trouble is that assessment is being made on market conditions in the now and also assume the same people that would want to buy an individual deck are going to want to shell out an insane 160 usd for four decks, one of which isn't actually that popular. Again, I don't think they are going to keep doing these sets the same way they have been.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Got a Verdant Catacombs
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Foil Pyromancer Ascension
1 Gifts Ungiven
Passed a Stony Silence in Draft...
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)